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what does your first post have to do with the second? If this post is here to raise a shit storm over Crisler, this thread will be closed in a hurry!
I want to know too, sade is just looking for confirmation from people if he is any good. I may be interested in seeing Crisler myself and i think he is just asking people if they have been helped. I dont think he is trying to cause a shitstorm, by the looks of it he has other, more serious things to focus on!
I myself have just been told on another forum Dr Mariano is the best out there, but i am curious about Dr Crisler. Then there is Dr Han too. Its good to find people that have been helped by these doctors to confirm whether it would be worth your while going there..
I myself have just been told on another forum Dr Mariano is the best out there, but i am curious about Dr Crisler. Then there is Dr Han too. Its good to find people that have been helped by these doctors to confirm whether it would be worth your while going there..
Han is not a doctor and Overbeck is not a doctor who specializes in hormones. Don't waste your time and money on these frauds! They have made a ton of money off of innocent people who are trying to get their health back to normal. Han talks a lot of shit on this forum. If your serious about your health go see Dr. Mariano. Crisler is good too, but Mariano is better!
Good, thanks for enlightening me i realised something aint right myself just now.
I have heard nothing but good from Dr Mariano so i look him up and go to his forum and there is HAN asking questions to Dr Mariano about his problems!
Now, Dr Mariano would he be able to do pituarty scans, ultrasounds, full blood tests, saliva test etc etc. Is he good at healing adrenals, etc etc.
I have emailed and called but no luck, we will wait and see.
I have heard nothing but good from Dr Mariano so i look him up and go to his forum and there is HAN asking questions to Dr Mariano about his problems!
Now, Dr Mariano would he be able to do pituarty scans, ultrasounds, full blood tests, saliva test etc etc. Is he good at healing adrenals, etc etc.
I have emailed and called but no luck, we will wait and see.
Thanks bro.
I'm not trying to cause a shitstorm, like liftermo says, I want to know if he's any good since I've spent almost £2000 british pounds to fly out and see him, a week today I leave the UK. I'm getting no help here.
hardasnails1973
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DR J and DR M are not hormone specialist either they are DO and MD's.
More you talk trash about us more people come to us so keep it up
DR J and DR M are not hormone specialist either they are DO and MD's.
More you talk trash about us more people come to us so keep it up
Dr. Mariano is Neuroendocrinologist? Do you not know what that is?
Yeah I'm sure more people keep coming to you because some of us here are telling it like it really is. It's funny how you always ask people to post how great you and Dr. Overbeck are, but when people don't like the experience they had with you guys then it's not ok to post that?? It's fair game!! You talk all this trash here about you guys being the one of the best in the business, so what do you expect when you fail some of your patients?
The proof is in the pudding, doctors dont really know it all, if him and Dr Overbeck are good then there will be cases of success and very few failures. I just did not know he was an assistant to Dr Overbeck i thought he was an actually doctor. I dont trust the conventional DR title all that much anymore, after what i have been through with Drs here in the UK. mrevis,just curious, what is your grudge / gripe, the more i look at your post the more it appears you have something personal against HANS.
It's not personal in the sense that I just want to pick at him for no reason. I don't hate anyone and aside from my what I dislike about them being frauds, I always though Shawn and Dr. Overbeck were nice guys, but there are nice guys in every industry, and it does not mean they are doing the right thing when it comes to their business relative to what they do.
I was very unsatisfied with my experience with them. This all started when I read post by some of their patients and was shocked to see that they experienced some of the same things I did. And I don't just mean not getting fixed either. I really though it was just me who thought that they are shady about a lot of things they do. I've stated them a before and I'm not going to repeat it again.
Here read this post he started and then some of his patients jumped in saying some of the thing they experienced and is when I first chimed in on some of these issues. I forget which page it's on so read through this post and come up with your own opinion. I can guarantee you this, I'm not the only patient who feels this way and more will start coming out of the woodwork!!
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134286419
DR J and DR M are not hormone specialist either they are DO and MD's.
More you talk trash about us more people come to us so keep it up
Nice of you to admit whats most important to you, which is more money.
DR J and DR M are not hormone specialist either they are DO and MD's.
More you talk trash about us more people come to us so keep it up
Can you answer this question since you like to portray everyone else as liars, but you.
Do you ask everyone who visits you to post a thread about you and Dr. Overbeck?
Many of your patients are on this board know this is true so go ahead and answer the question HAN.
It's not a coincidence that everyone keeps posting about you. Does Dr. Mariano or Crisler ask people to do this? NO!! Do they constantly jump threads to ask forum member to "PM me if you want to know a good doctor in the northeast."
That is extremely unprofessional to do HAN!
HeadDoc
Psychologist
thanks for the clarification. You must realize that neither doc is here and that the testimony you receive may be unsystematic. For the record, I checked the medical boards for both and found no complaints.
Bigpete757
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Hans and Dr. O made a few serious mistakes during my treatment. The biggest one was pushing me to take more cortef when it was clear that my body was not handling it well. This caused alot of problems and my health became much worse. And as soon I my health became worse, they bailed on me and told me not to contact them anymore. This is the lowest thing a person can do in the medical field in my opinion. They gave me a medication, it caused my health to become much worse, and then they turned their back on me. They should have tried to help me get through it and put in extra effort to see that I was doing better. Instead, I was put in a postion where I had to figure it out all by myself. This has happened to many patients that Hans has worked with. Alot of them just don't post here every day.
I came on to this forum about 1.5 years ago asking for help, just like you guys are now. My health was very poor and I was very eager to turn things around and live a better life. I was desperate and vulnerable and Hans took advantage of this.
I don't feel like wrting that much about it, but I will say a few things because it might help someone else in the future. I was deciding to go with either Hans or Dr. Crisler when I was going to fly to see a doctor about 1.5 years ago. Hans said that all Dr. Crisler would do is want to put me on testosterone and thats basically all he was good for, so I decided that Hans would be a better choice because (supposedly) he knew so much more about adrenal problems, thyroid, etc. and these were areas I was interested in along with testosterone.
In summary, I mostly worked with Hans during my treatment. I rarely ever spoke to Dr. O and it seemed the Hans was making most the medical decisons in regard to my health. He basically was running the show. When I did talk to Dr. O, he didn't even know some of the dosages of medication/supplements I was taking that Hans told me to take. And then as treatment went on Hans was wrong with most of the things along the way. Like such and such test will show this, I am sure of it. And then the test would come back and the level would be ok.
But the bottom line is that Hans is not in a position to work with all these people to try and help them. Hans has his own medical problems that he can not even get straight. If you look at various posts of his in the past on this forum and others, he always seems like he is having a crisis with his own medical problems and is searching for some way to try and fix that. In my opinon, I would much rather have an level-headed doctor who can focus clearly and is not running in a million different directions. In regards to Dr. O, they man just starting learning about hormone treatment about 2-2.5 years ago. Maybe he did prescribe some TRT to patients in the past, but he has not focused on this speacility for along time by any means. He a nice man and I think he means well, I just don't think he has the knowledge to really help most of the people that are going to see him for this issue.
And then about Dr. Crisler. After time goes by, I end up learning that he is really one of the best doctors available to help men with hormone levels or probably just general male health. He does know alot about adrenal fatigue, thyroid, and many other things. And he does not just put people on testosterone. He tries to help restart the hpta and can do alot of other things to improve the quality of a patients life. He has alot of tricks up his sleeve and is always up to date on the cutting edge treatments to improve a persons hormone levels or other things, etc.
Before I went to see Han, I was looking for a doctor to help me do to a restart. Han said that we should address the adrenals and thyroid first and put the restart on hold. Well after my adrenal/thyroid treatment did not work, we never ended up doing a restart. It has been almost 2 years for me, but I finally found a doctor who knows about restarts and prescribed me clomid to help raise my T levels and hopefully keep them high.
Not to get off track, but there is serious lack of doctors that know about or are willing to help patients try and restart/raise their own natural test production. For me this was a major problem because I tried taking testosterone cream/shots and it negatively affected my heart and my body could not handle it. So I needed to find some other way to raise my T levles. And no doctors I went to really knew about restarting the hpta or raising some T levels through clomid/nolva/hcg, etc. And when I searched for doctors that knew about possibly restarting someone's hpta and or raising someones' natural T level, only 5-10 doctors in the whole country seem to do this that I can find. I am sure there are a few more, but they must not be well known in the specialty, so how the hell are we supposed to know. There is Dr. Crisler, Dr. M, Dr. Gordon, a doctor I am working with in Florida, a doctor from the University of Chicago, Thierty Hugoche (Belgium sp), a few in the Northeast that Chillin or Wiseguy knows about on Dr. Crislers forum, and that is all that I can think of. Not a huge selection and alot of people do not have the money to fly and see these doctors.
If knew that Dr. Crisler was familiar with this, I would have never went to see Hans. Looking back at it, I regret going to see them and wish I would have visited Dr. Crisler instead. For me this has been a huge mistake, because I recently developed some severe gastrointestinal problems in the last six months. I have been under alot of stress due to medical problems and work. About six months ago I woke up with swelling and pain in my middle and right side of stomach. Long story short, the doctors think it is some kind of nerve entrapment, nerve irration, nerve damage related. One doctor said it who did an endoscopy said it was gastroparesis. Since this has happened, I cannot poop or digest my food right anymore. My stomach is very swollen, distented, painful, and my body has basically went to shit. And this is on top of having a T level of 200, very weak adrenals, bad hypothyroid, obese/weight management problem, severe insulin resistance, excessive hunger, blood sugar problems, etc. Not what I needed at all. I honestly think that if I could have rebalanced my hormones levels earlier, this stomach nerve damage problem would have never happened. Now I have focus alot of attention on trying to fix the gastro issue through nerve pain injections or some kind of specialized surgery, which is not going to be easy. However, I am a little optimistic about my health going forward as I think the clomid medication will help me raise my T and that is probably what I should have been focusing on from the begginning. In my case, I am the perfect example of all the negative things that can happens to someones body after many years of low T. And I think by correcting my T level and other hormones, my health health should get much better.
Overall, I would consider seeing Dr. Crisler first and then seeing other doctors after that before going to see Hans. People are slowly starting to realize that he is not all that he claims to be and it will catch up with him sooner or later. You are starting to see more and more posts on various forums calling him a fraud or con-artist or something similar. Good luck in the future with your health.
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