Dr Jims Hplc/ms Data

[dmt31]

Thanks, does it say what the Astro and Sciroxx samples were supposed to be?

Yeah all the samples were meant to be Tren E... I miswrote btw
Here is a quick rundown
Private Lab - 46-1 : Traces of Tren, lots of unknown product
Astro - 46-2 : Traces of Tren, lots of unknown product
Superior - 46-3 : Traces of Tren, lots of unknown product
Superior - 46-4 : Traces of Tren, lots of unknown product
Sciroxx - 39-2 : 74mg/ml Estimated using a trenbolone standard
Sciroxx - 39-3 : 2.16mg/ml estimated using trenbolone standard

So sciroxx had the best product of the batch, but still pretty shit

 

[bickel29]

Yeah all the samples were meant to be Tren E... I miswrote btw
Here is a quick rundown
Private Lab - 46-1 : Traces of Tren, lots of unknown product
Astro - 46-2 : Traces of Tren, lots of unknown product
Superior - 46-3 : Traces of Tren, lots of unknown product
Superior - 46-4 : Traces of Tren, lots of unknown product
Sciroxx - 39-2 : 74mg/ml Estimated using a trenbolone standard
Sciroxx - 39-3 : 2.16mg/ml estimated using trenbolone standard

So sciroxx had the best product of the batch, but still pretty shit

Thanks DMT. Is this also Doc Jim's final summary? I am not doubting you and you probably also know how to read these things much better than I, but I also see that there is a shifting set of data across the time spectrum of the spec.

Sorry, not trying to confuse anyone (obviously I am confused, huh?) I just want to make sure us common folk are interpreting these graphs correctly. I saw Dr Jim posted the report, and then later named the labs, I just never saw the part where he connected the dots with summation.

Again, sounds like you have a much more solid understanding of these reports.

 

[dmt31]

Thanks DMT. Is this also Doc Jim's final summary? I am not doubting you and you probably also know how to read these things much better than I, but I also see that there is a shifting set of data across the time spectrum of the spec.

Sorry, not trying to confuse anyone (obviously I am confused, huh?) I just want to make sure us common folk are interpreting these graphs correctly. I saw Dr Jim posted the report, and then later named the labs, I just never saw the part where he connected the dots with summation.

Again, sounds like you have a much more solid understanding of these reports.

On the first page of the report it gives the summary. I just copy pasted it brother

 

[bickel29]

On the first page of the report it gives the summary. I just copy pasted it brother

Cool, thanks. I just didn't know if there was more to be interpreted from it? But I suppose the results do not surprise me.

 

[dmt31]

Cool, thanks. I just didn't know if there was more to be interpreted from it? But I suppose the results do not surprise me.

I honestly have no idea. I've been reading a lot that brewers are routinely overheating Tren and that Tren can be brewed with little to no heat at all. The degradation point of Tren is much lower than people think and in turn shitty product has been given out for quite some time.

 

[MassTurk]

Best Tren I had was lighter color than others.

 

[dmt31]

Best Tren I had was lighter color than others.

Yeah that's the conventional wisdom now. If it's darker in color it means that it was heated up and has been degraded a fair amount. it shouldn't be very dark at all if it's strong and not fucked up.

 

[flenser]

Yeah all the samples were meant to be Tren E... I miswrote btw
Here is a quick rundown
Private Lab - 46-1 : Traces of Tren, lots of unknown product
Astro - 46-2 : Traces of Tren, lots of unknown product
Superior - 46-3 : Traces of Tren, lots of unknown product
Superior - 46-4 : Traces of Tren, lots of unknown product
Sciroxx - 39-2 : 74mg/ml Estimated using a trenbolone standard
Sciroxx - 39-3 : 2.16mg/ml estimated using trenbolone standard

So sciroxx had the best product of the batch, but still pretty shit

I could be wrong, but I believe Jim skipped one. 46-1 is probably Astro as well.

I sent in Astro test e and tren e, Superior test e and tren e, and Sciroxx test e and tren e.

Sciroxx tren e contained 75mg/ml instead of the 100mg/ml on the label. The rest were essentially bunk.

 

[dmt31]

I could be wrong, but I believe Jim skipped one. 46-1 is probably Astro as well.

I sent in Astro test e and tren e, Superior test e and tren e, and Sciroxx test e and tren e.

Sciroxx tren e contained 75mg/ml instead of the 100mg/ml on the label. The rest were essentially bunk.

Yeah, we need Jim to clear that up then, The report is pretty clear on what the compounds tested were. but maybe there is an error of some sort.

 

[bickel29]

I could be wrong, but I believe Jim skipped one. 46-1 is probably Astro as well.

I sent in Astro test e and tren e, Superior test e and tren e, and Sciroxx test e and tren e.

Sciroxx tren e contained 75mg/ml instead of the 100mg/ml on the label. The rest were essentially bunk.

Flenser - thanks for the input here. I think you stated this elsewhere already, but the submitted, tested product you sent in were obtained annonymously, right?

 

[newerest]

Would heat degraded tren show up as an unknown product?

 

[flenser]

Flenser - thanks for the input here. I think you stated this elsewhere already, but the submitted, tested product you sent in were obtained annonymously, right?

Anonymously from Superior. Karl sent me the Sciroxx samples and practically begged me to test them. Astro also knew it was me. In fact, the tren was replacement for bunk mast e.

 

[MassTurk]

So these sources really don't know what they have!!! figures. Except Karl. He always had two shelves one for general public and one for well you see now

 

[bickel29]

Anonymously from Superior. Karl sent me the Sciroxx samples and practically begged me to test them. Astro also knew it was me. In fact, the tren was replacement for bunk mast e.

So Astro knew it was you and still sent bunk? Makes ya wonder.

 

[flenser]

So Astro knew it was you and still sent bunk? Makes ya wonder.

He tested when he could. Unfortunately, his test connections kept drying up. Assuming he comes back, he has yet another connection, one that he says he trusts. We keep a conversation going through email, a couple messages a month. Bugging out on everyone is the last thing I would have expected.

 

[Dr JIM]

There were two that were mislabeled by the chemist in the summary, 46-4 and 39-3 they were labeled by the SOURCE LABS as being testosterone!

The chemist assumed they were all being sold as a Tren product bc that's all that was found. Some of that was my error also, but we simply miscommunicated the stated vial contents.

Regardless, the only product that contained any AAS worthy of use was the FIRST Sciroxx sample (39-2) at 75mg/ml.

The remainder had only "trace" levels of Tren detected. (Unless one considers the second Sciroxx sample (39-3) at a Tren concentration of 2.5mg/ml worthy of use)

Regs
jim

 

[BIGMESC]

Just out of curiosity, would a trace be less the 1.0 mg/ml?

 

[heady muscle]

Well looks like that didn't work to well! Ok I'll try posting the SIXTEEN pages report for the time being and will separate them into individual studies later IF that's what people believe is most helpful.

Is the lab identified?

 

[BIGMESC]

Is the lab identified?

Yeah all the samples were meant to be Tren E... I miswrote btw
Here is a quick rundown
Private Lab - 46-1 : Traces of Tren, lots of unknown product
Astro - 46-2 : Traces of Tren, lots of unknown product
Superior - 46-3 : Traces of Tren, lots of unknown product
Superior - 46-4 : Traces of Tren, lots of unknown product
Sciroxx - 39-2 : 74mg/ml Estimated using a trenbolone standard
Sciroxx - 39-3 : 2.16mg/ml estimated using trenbolone standard

So sciroxx had the best product of the batch, but still pretty shit

 

[Dr JIM]

Just out of curiosity, would a trace be less the 1.0 mg/ml?

For most AAS that would be an accurate assessment. However that's probably not the case for a few of the "more potent" designer AAS, albeit their potency has not been CONFIRMED using the benchmark A/A ratio that I'm aware of.

Perhaps one example then would be Methyl Tren with an "effective" dosage stated to be in the 100 mcg range.

Regs
Jim