Drop Clomid?

revenge50

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I am in my day 10 of PCT, I have been taking 75mg of Clomid everyday and 40mg Nolva everyday. I am feeling very very depressed, never in my life I had felt this way. I know it's normal but I feel it is getting out of hand, is it worth to drop the clomid? Or is it just my mind thinking it is very depressing but it isn't? Any tips guys?
 
I am in my day 10 of PCT, I have been taking 75mg of Clomid everyday and 40mg Nolva everyday. I am feeling very very depressed, never in my life I had felt this way. I know it's normal but I feel it is getting out of hand, is it worth to drop the clomid? Or is it just my mind thinking it is very depressing but it isn't? Any tips guys?
IMO drop clomid and stay on Nolva
it looks like Clomid has some little Estrogenic activity on the brain.

You may consider adding Proviron
it makes you feel better and it's minimally suppressive of natural Testosterone production (some studies show no suppression others some mild suppression)
In fact Proviron has been tested an an effective antidepressant
A comparison of the antidepressant effects of a synthetic androgen (mesterolone) and amitriptyline in depressed men. - PubMed - NCBI
The effects of mesterolone, a male sex hormone in depressed patients (a double blind controlled study). - PubMed - NCBI
see if you can find the full studies
 
IMO drop clomid and stay on Nolva
it looks like Clomid has some little Estrogenic activity on the brain.

You may consider adding Proviron
it makes you feel better and it's minimally suppressive of natural Testosterone production (some studies show no suppression others some mild suppression)
In fact Proviron has been tested an an effective antidepressant
A comparison of the antidepressant effects of a synthetic androgen (mesterolone) and amitriptyline in depressed men. - PubMed - NCBI
The effects of mesterolone, a male sex hormone in depressed patients (a double blind controlled study). - PubMed - NCBI
see if you can find the full studies
How the fuck does proviron showing "antidepressent effects" in anyway make this more, or less, suitable for his usage? It doesn't. It's NOT worth the risk of further suppression, either.
 
How the fuck does proviron showing "antidepressent effects" in anyway make this more, or less, suitable for his usage? It doesn't. It's NOT worth the risk of further suppression, either.
Read the fucking studies I posted

1 researchers proved Proviron is an EFFECTIVE antidepressant (although they used high doses in one of the studies)

2 studies show proviron to be minimally suppressive
since OP is already on Nolva pct
this should offset the minimal suppression by Proviron.
 
Read the fucking studies I posted

1 researchers proved Proviron is an EFFECTIVE antidepressant (although they used high doses in one of the studies)

2 studies show proviron to be minimally suppressive
since OP is already on Nolva pct
this should offset the minimal suppression by Proviron.
I diddddddddd..... Guess what?! Being a potential antidepressent doesn't outweigh it's potential risk of further suppression. Throwing ANOTHER drug into the mix would generally be a BAD idea, unless it's benefits outweigh it's risks. In this case, further potential suppression is NOT a good thing.

From your fucking study:
"Mesterolone treatment significantly decreased both plasma testosterone and protein bound testosterone levels. Patients with high testosterone levels prior to treatment seem to have had more benefit from mesterolone treatment than patients with low testosterone levels. The degree of improvement weakly correlated to the decrease of testosterone levels during mesterolone treatment."

DID YOU READ the study??

"However, since an improvement was also established during the placebo treatment, no statistically appreciable difference in the therapeutic effects of mesterolone was established compared to placebo. "

Show me how nolvadex offsets proviron's suppression, please.
 
I diddddddddd..... Guess what?! Being a potential antidepressent doesn't outweigh it's potential risk of further suppression. Throwing ANOTHER drug into the mix would generally be a BAD idea, unless it's benefits outweigh it's risks. In this case, further potential suppression is NOT a good thing.

From your fucking study:
"Mesterolone treatment significantly decreased both plasma testosterone and protein bound testosterone levels. Patients with high testosterone levels prior to treatment seem to have had more benefit from mesterolone treatment than patients with low testosterone levels. The degree of improvement weakly correlated to the decrease of testosterone levels during mesterolone treatment."

DID YOU READ the study??

"However, since an improvement was also established during the placebo treatment, no statistically appreciable difference in the therapeutic effects of mesterolone was established compared to placebo. "

Show me how nolvadex offsets proviron's suppression, please.
They used 300-450 mg dosages in the second study
too much IMO, unless the patients were severely depressed
not surprisingly these high Proviron dosages suppressed Testosterone

the study clearly points out that those with the less Testosterone suppression responded better
not surprising since lowered Testosterone can cause depression by itself.

Nolva tricks the pituitary making it believe there's less Estrogen, thus making more LH/FSH
so unless OP testis are severely atrophied
said LH increase from Nolva should increase Testosterone production by testis.

Nolva/Clomid shouldn't the main/only pct drug IMO
but now that OP is already on Nolva, that should compensate for Proviron SLIGHT suppression.

BTW
REAL Proviron is just slightly suppressive
the problems is that many (most?) black market "Proviron" is actually methyl-DHT which is much more suppressive than real Proviron is.
 
Thank you everyone for your replies! I dropped the clomid to 25mg per day and kept nolva on 20mg per day.... The rest of the week I felt better but I had to take Xanax in very small doses splitted through the day like 3 days straight to calm down and it worked really well, I did it because my doctor adviced me to, wasn't my idea...

I already finished PCT a week ago and to be honest I feel great! My energy was a little down like 2 weeks ago, like I could go to the gym and start working out but it I just didn't feel like, no energy and no motivation for some reason... But I am back on track and feeling great. A little bit sad because of the lost "gainz" after cycle but I know it is perfectly normal
 
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