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500/400 Test E/Primo is probably my preferred long-term slow gainer (24+ weeks), at this point. Very comfortable, very manageable.

EQ at any worthwhile dosage turns me into a joyless robot with suicidal ideation, its half-life making any return to humanity little more than distant electric dream.

The thought of combining the estrogenic effects of Primo, EQ, and NPP altogether is deeply concerning. o_O
I wonder if it had to do with the E2 inhibiting effects and the ratio of test to eq, my bail out would be to add something that strongly converts to e2 in case I would start feeling off and change the ratio; lowering the eq, but as said before I don't plan on pushing a lot
 
Why are you guys always saying EQ in a worthwile dosage?
Because it's such a long ester, and so mild, it probably leads to people pushing their EQ numbers. For me, negative sides do scale linearly with dose, but I never used unreasonable amounts (~600mg/wk). The dry, lean look and improved stamina are great, but not worth the psychological effects.
I wonder if it had to do with the E2 inhibiting effects and the ratio of test to eq
I've tried every which ratio, and all kinds of dosages, and it's always the same miserable mindset. If you're new to EQ then watch out for it. Because of the half-life the feeling creeps in, and leads to a search for other causes.
 
Because it's such a long ester, and so mild, it probably leads to people pushing their EQ numbers. For me, negative sides do scale linearly with dose, but I never used unreasonable amounts (~600mg/wk). The dry, lean look and improved stamina are great, but not worth the psychological effects.
Edit: Sorry for the rant, holly shit that ended up a book

Yeah I get that, the first time I frontloaded and it was a night and day difference mentally the next morning, I ran 300 test e and something like 600 EQ (LOL). I'm pretty sure if I didn't get sent straight to prison for having more in my system than I'm "allowed" to own I would've gone to the hospital 24 hours post pin.

The anabolic effects do take a while as it's a... well in my book almost TOO DRY of a compound as it crashes my E2 to low single digits at Test:EQ 3:1 and mental sides come near linearly with anabolism above a certain dose of ROUGHLY 1ml (150-400 depend son the individual lets say) with close to no mental sides below it but no lower limit for anabolism.

I can see why people go up, it just doesn't make it the only option. Sure, it's a slow ride but it's a safe and sound one if you aknowledge it being what it is and just forget about it between pins.

350 Test 200 EQ 50 Deca and 15mg dbol PWO EOD for 25 weeks was my favorite cycle BY FAR and if I wouldn't have tested my gear, I would've been 100% sure it's all bunk other than dialed in TRT libido and cardio to go for days whatever activity we're talking about :P. It took a long time though. It's almost like natural training after half a year, except you are gaining way above your limit. It's not an "OMG what is this" effect like dbol, tren, high dose winny, ment or whatever, but you end up at the same composition after PCT.

I put on 7kg so about 15lbs, lost 2kg or 4.5-ish lbs when getting back to (back then) 200-250 trt. I legit couldn't tell I was on a cycle the whole time, nor did I see any difference after. 2kg is basically a large doobie in the toilet and creatine emptying.

If you have patience, EQ in low doses is great. It's a real performance enhancer, you can do your workout twice in a row and keep going, it does help with hypertrophy by itself and it doesn't put water on you basically at all ime. It's also cheap on top of that. It really is a poor mans primo in my opinnion, you just can't push it that high. 250-300+ for most is living hell. I'm one of most. 600 puts on twice as much meat as 300, though there's no way I'll ever do anything over 300 in any cycle ever. It's an addon. A very useful but dangerous one.

Oh fuck that got pretty fucking long, sorry, got pretty tipsy... Italian wine is gooood and I haven't drank in a month or two lol

Sorry Tallguy Labs :'D
 
Edit: Sorry for the rant, holly shit that ended up a book

Yeah I get that, the first time I frontloaded and it was a night and day difference mentally the next morning, I ran 300 test e and something like 600 EQ (LOL). I'm pretty sure if I didn't get sent straight to prison for having more in my system than I'm "allowed" to own I would've gone to the hospital 24 hours post pin.

The anabolic effects do take a while as it's a... well in my book almost TOO DRY of a compound as it crashes my E2 to low single digits at Test:EQ 3:1 and mental sides come near linearly with anabolism above a certain dose of ROUGHLY 1ml (150-400 depend son the individual lets say) with close to no mental sides below it but no lower limit for anabolism.

I can see why people go up, it just doesn't make it the only option. Sure, it's a slow ride but it's a safe and sound one if you aknowledge it being what it is and just forget about it between pins.

350 Test 200 EQ 50 Deca and 15mg dbol PWO EOD for 25 weeks was my favorite cycle BY FAR and if I wouldn't have tested my gear, I would've been 100% sure it's all bunk other than dialed in TRT libido and cardio to go for days whatever activity we're talking about :P. It took a long time though. It's almost like natural training after half a year, except you are gaining way above your limit. It's not an "OMG what is this" effect like dbol, tren, high dose winny, ment or whatever, but you end up at the same composition after PCT.

I put on 7kg so about 15lbs, lost 2kg or 4.5-ish lbs when getting back to (back then) 200-250 trt. I legit couldn't tell I was on a cycle the whole time, nor did I see any difference after. 2kg is basically a large doobie in the toilet and creatine emptying.

If you have patience, EQ in low doses is great. It's a real performance enhancer, you can do your workout twice in a row and keep going, it does help with hypertrophy by itself and it doesn't put water on you basically at all ime. It's also cheap on top of that. It really is a poor mans primo in my opinnion, you just can't push it that high. 250-300+ for most is living hell. I'm one of most. 600 puts on twice as much meat as 300, though there's no way I'll ever do anything over 300 in any cycle ever. It's an addon. A very useful but dangerous one.

Oh fuck that got pretty fucking long, sorry, got pretty tipsy... Italian wine is gooood and I haven't drank in a month or two lol

Sorry Tallguy Labs :'D
Long-form stream-of-consciousness posts should be welcomed here, considering the high literacy levels of @Dutch Labs and the Dutch Labs website.

Perhaps a Dutch Labs Readers Club would flourish? Rippetoe's Starting Strength week one, followed by the novelisation of Schwarzenegger's Commando (1985), etc.

Lots of useful anecdotal experience in there, either way.
 
We're taking the next 1 - 2 weeks to fully focus on adding all oral products into the store, add new peptides, ancelliaries, new packaging for these products etc.

Primo was sold out too quickly! I hope we can create a large batch soon.

New batches of NPP, TREN E, EQ 250, TEST D 250 are coming.
 
We're taking the next 1 - 2 weeks to fully focus on adding all oral products into the store, add new peptides, ancelliaries, new packaging for these products etc.

Primo was sold out too quickly! I hope we can create a large batch soon.

New batches of NPP, TREN E, EQ 250, TEST D 250 are coming.

Retatrutide, tirzepatide, MT-2, BPC-157, TB-500 are some of the peptides i'd like to see in your list.

You may had a rough start here but honestly i like how things are moving, keep up the great work with response times, shipping times, prices, considering the feedback from clients, transparency and i hope quality as well.
 
Retatrutide, tirzepatide, MT-2, BPC-157, TB-500 are some of the peptides i'd like to see in your list.

You may had a rough start here but honestly i like how things are moving, keep up the great work with response times, shipping times, prices, considering the feedback from clients, transparency and i hope quality as well.
Tirzepatide would be so great

Yes this source is getting better by the week.

Do the action coupons on a regular base and you’ll gain a lot more clients.
 
order placed this morning; early afternoon I already had the track

there was only one other person who worked so quickly between receiving the order and providing the track .... coincidence
 
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