ED full body workouts on cycle?

[Mike Oxbig]

I've been doing full body workouts everyday for the past couple days. I'm on a pretty aggressive cycle and am taking in about 5,000 clean calories per day.

Anyone have any experience doing this? How did the gains compare to a typical training program?

 

[beezil]

I've been doing full body workouts everyday for the past couple days. I'm on a pretty aggressive cycle and am taking in about 5,000 clean calories per day.

Anyone have any experience doing this? How did the gains compare to a typical training program?

MO i do them all the time. Check out Big Beyond Belief. by Costas.

I have had a lot of success by using this type of a work out. although, i am constantly changing things up to confuse my body.

However, these workouts work best with AAS… IMHO. because of the lack of rest between body parts.

check it out and let me know your thoughts.

 

[Sworder]

Work outs can be done in a million different ways. I try Keeping It Simple Stupid, if I am not sore. It's not working.

 

[Iatola]

Agreed. If I could work the same muscle group the next day, I wouldn't be working hard enough. I need at least 5 days after a good leg day, usually 4 after chest/back/shoulders.I'm currently running a 5 day split, I may run it closer to a 3 day when on, but I still won't go any lower then that.

I'd say full body workouts would be fine for maintance once you're at where you want to be, but I can't see it being great to build or for strength on or off cycle.

 

[beezil]

IA,

depends on what your goals are….

i use my body for practical purposes… both for sports and some work.

not just too lift iron in the gym. doing one day (or 2) a week of one body part is just not enough….for me.

however, i will adopt that style of training in the winter for a few months.

 

[Iatola]

I hear ya Brother, and I see your point on sports.

I train in Muay Thai and western style Kickboxing so I know first hand it can be challenging to find that balance between strength training and conditioning/endurance. But still when I'm in the gym I'm there to hit it hard and hit it heavy. Most of my conditioning training is done outside of the gym. So I don't disagree with you, it's all about priority.

My original comments were based on the OP's other thread where I believe he switched to a bulking cycle. I just believe there are more effective ways of building mass then full body training.

 

[Pericles]

Muscles grow when they rest and get good food. Even on gear, training a body part once a day is a very bad idea.

Weight training should make muscles bigger, stronger, and more conditioned. Training then everyday will make them smaller and weaker. On top of that, most people do too much volume and not enough intensity. If you can train that body part the next day, it is 100% sure that you did not hit it hard enough the day before. Precontest guys, and yes Arnold and Ronney were the exception (hit b parts twice a week....which is very useful for conditioning) but most usually hit a body part every 5 days.

Also, the above does not mean that only heavy compound movements for 3-5 reps are the way to build muscle. That kind of training should be done frequently for the first 5 years of training to establish a good strength base, but at some point you are strengthening tendons more than muscles. After my last shoulder surgery, I made sure I was getting 10-14 reps on a set. And these are brutally hard, at say 8 reps you are burning close to failure, and struggling to somehow someway get those last 2 reps.

I know Kai Green does high reps, like 20. In my last show I alternated a heavy day w/ a high rep day. I was talking w/ IFBB pro Frank Roberson, and he said high (20 reps) give muscles more fullness. I was talking w/ my friend who did the USA's today, and suggesting a heavy/light programs, and he said "no, I go 20 reps always." He is a middle weight, about 5 feet 6 inches tall, and he was getting 20 reps of 405 on squats, so no way in hell I am going to challenge him on that one.

@Iatola: We are on the same page! When I am on gear, I still hit a body part hard once a week (4 weight days) and Do a half hour of MT/Kickboxing after lifting, and 3 days of treadmill cardio. That is where the gear (except tren) really helps. No way can I do that on top of lifting if I am natural.

My advice is to increase intensity (more drop sets, rest pause, forced reps) and volume when on gear. But give your muscles sufficient rest to grow.

I was always suspicious in regards to higher reps

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I've been doing full body workouts everyday for the past couple days. I'm on a pretty aggressive cycle and am taking in about 5,000 clean calories per day.

Anyone have any experience doing this? How did the gains compare to a typical training program?

Some of the greatest physiques were built using full body workouts 3 times per week.

Steve Reeves Workout ! Building a Herculean Physique Naturally.

Reg park's routine for size & strength -

Clancy Ross, a True Classic Bodybuilder

 

[beezil]

Some of the greatest physiques were built using full body workouts 3 times per week.

Steve Reeves Workout ! Building a Herculean Physique Naturally.

Reg park's routine for size & strength -

Clancy Ross, a True Classic Bodybuilder

CBS,

those were the days when BB had great physique instead of looking like comic book drawings.

 

[Pericles]

3 times a week is very, very different from every day. If you wan't to only train 3 times a week, then split your body in two, one half (A workouts) and the other half (B workouts).

A whole boy workout three times a week is a good place for people new to lifting to start. Volume for beginners is low. As they progress and increase volume, it is then time to go to a double split workout. Once they hit a plateau, if they want to keep progressing a triple split is good.

For many, there is no reason to go to a 4 day split. I do a 4 day split, but 3 days of lifting, w/ cardio 3 days a week (I recommend keeping lifting and cardio separate) is plenty for your typical lifter.

Steve Reeves had a great physique, but his full body workout contained more than 40 sets. That is way, way to much for the typical trainee. Not everyone is a genetic freak like Reeves. I recommend keeping volume to 20 sets, 25 max.

 

[MANWHORE]

IA,

depends on what your goals are….

i use my body for practical purposes… both for sports and some work.

not just too lift iron in the gym. doing one day (or 2) a week of one body part is just not enough….for me.

however, i will adopt that style of training in the winter for a few months.

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Never train for pump
Never train to failure.. 1-2 even 3 short
Never do slow grind sets.. Back to #2
More effort on concentric less on eccentric
Hill/Sand sprints for getting shredded.
Heavy 5 rep compound movements... Work up to these
And always explode and take warmup sets serious
Even the 135-185-205 sets up to the 300 or whatever
Your pressing
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Ring pull ups, high pulls,
clean, press. Both together..
1 arm or weighted pushups, handstand pushups
Deadlifts.. Start right at knee, for me
Squats .. I do box only

A lot of heavy shrugs and holds
Heavy static holds for joints but not
Crazy, with the weight.. More than you can get for
1RM is fine, not 100lbs more.. Compress spine is dangerous..

I work arms with light 10rep 1-2short of failure
Maybe once a week or every 10 days..
I spend too much time and energy working compound body
With squats, deads, high pulls, 1 arm pushups and 300lb bench

Sometimes I just throw on 225 so I can concentrate on explosive
Bench, but I always use a closer grip elbows toward legs powerlifting
So I don't fuck up my shoulders whether I go to 300 or stay at 225-250

 

[Demondosage]

I've had good results doing full body workouts 3x/wk, the problem with doing this though, the body gets beat down very badly and quickly. Because your doing such low volume on each bodypart, the intensity and weights used is alot more. It gets to the point where if your adding weight, a few wks in your thinking "I gotta do what!!!" and within 4-6 wks your extremely wiped out. I would keep these full body workouts to no more than 6 wks, then do some sort of traditional routine with moderate weights, then go back to the full body high intensity when you've had a month break. Yes I've had exceptional results, but it beats me down very badly

 

[shamrockbear1]

for me personally I have used 3 days on 1 day off for over 20 years on and off with some breaks changing styles, the gains have been decent with and without gear for a couple of years I tried a versions of HIT it was all the rage with metzler for a while and honestly i found full body workouts to be useless you can not focus on each muscle group and give it the attention it needs to grow I have found that it does cut you up a bit more definition, but I also think that's the increased cardio involved trimming you down. Its also exhausting and after 2 hours of non stop lifting you can get burned out fast. I am trying for the first time one bodypart a day this is a huge step for me because I am very impatient and I have to try to not freak out and start doing other body parts.... So I have noticed that I am able to really focus on each muscle group increase volume and load I am going to give this a run for the next year see the results I have a feeling that I will be very happy with the results. Plus, now that Im over 40 you have to take it easy on the body I noticed with more lifting came more problems tendinitis, muscle strains, and joint pain. So its great when your young to think your invincible but after a few injuries you may consider switching it up

 

[Pericles]

...I tried a versions of HIT it was all the rage with metzler for a while...

Did you mean Metzger? His Heavy Duty philosophy is still, w/ some modification, the best philosophy.

His general perspective is that people do too many sets, and do not train w/ enough intensity. His most famous follower was Dorian Yates.

HD training advocated a thorough warm up, and then one all out high intensity set on each exercise (forced reps, drop ts etc). Dorian modified it to two all out sets.

However, it is important to keep in mind that there would be at least 2-3 warm up sets on first exercise and one on others. So, if you did bench, 3 warm up sets w/ 2 all out, incline dumbbells one warm up, 2 all out, etc.

I have gotten very good results from this^ type of training. For most training I did one bp a week, for contest prep, one e5d.

 

[Gunrunner]

Did you mean Metzger? His Heavy Duty philosophy is still, w/ some modification, the best philosophy.

NO! He meant Mentzer as in Mike and Ray Mentzer. Two brothers and both great bodybuilders who pioneered HIT, High Intensity Training. May they both rest in peace.

 

[Pericles]

NO! He meant Mentzer as in Mike and Ray Mentzer. Two brothers and both great bodybuilders who pioneered HIT, High Intensity Training. May they both rest in peace.

Ooops, I meant Mentzer...Metzger was the name of the bullet proof engine Porsche used in the FI cars between 2001-2007

 

[shamrockbear1]

Yes that's who I meant, I thought one of the reason Yates had so many injuries was due to this style of training.... Again, as I stated imagine doing full body workouts using this method it just doesn't work you would be exhausted... You could use this method as Pericles stated one body part or 2 depending on how many sets I guess would be much more beneficial. So then we get into a style debate of training and not frequency. This style is meant for someone who would prefer to tone muscles and increased heart rate as opposed as we like to make them as large as possible. This may work for very few people as opposed to the masses.

 

[sscales]

My trainer started me on a full body circuit every 3 days back in april and I love it. I always take at least one day off in between except for some light cardio(20 min). It took my body some time to adjust but the results are real. At my age(42) I'm not looking to bulk up anymore, just want a cut look and this seems to do the job. Here is an example. I do each circuit twice with no rest, in between each circuit I do a 5 minute cardio break on the treadmill. Every two weeks he gives me a completely different routine.

Circuit 1: 2 rounds
1. snatch 12 reps
2. cat crawl 1 lap
3. barbell deadlift 12 reps
4.pullups 8 reps

circuit 2: 2 rounds
1. dumbbell clean and press one arm 8 reps
2. clap push ups 12
3. one leg dead lifts 10 reps
4. barbell row 10 reps

circuit 3: 2 rounds
1. cable curls to failure
2. cable extension to failure
3. super set lateral/front delt raises
4. Any Abdominal of my choice

 

[Wiscon]

I seem to recall that Hypertropy Specific Training (HST) revolves around full body low volume workouts 3 times a week.