Effects of HGH?

[Tmisatix]

Hey guys, I have heard and read much on HGH, but some of it has been contradicted. I've always read how HGH can strip fat, build muscle, give a positive look to the skin, etc, but some say its not as dramatic as others would think. What's all of your opinions? Does HGH actually create a very aesthetic physique? If training and diet is as smart/intense/effective, what will the results deliver? Would like to hear some personal experiences too. Thanks guys.

Also, if you had a choice, GH or AAS?

 

[Mr.B66]

Both!! But if i had to choose just one , AAS hands down.
I notice that GH works very well in dropping BF, but my diet is pretty good to so im sure that helps. As for putting on muscle and improving skin im not seeing that, but im only 2 months in so i will know a little more in say 4-6 months.

 

[Tmisatix]

Both!! But if i had to choose just one , AAS hands down.
I notice that GH works very well in dropping BF, but my diet is pretty good to so im sure that helps. As for putting on muscle and improving skin im not seeing that, but im only 2 months in so i will know a little more in say 4-6 months.

Interesting. I would have expected you to choose the HGH, lol. That's pretty cool it's assisting in the body fat loss/recomp, but I'd think you'd be seeing muscle gains too. Some say the muscle building effect doesn't take place until 4-6 months though just as you pointed out. I think the skin quality change could be placebo.

 

[Mr.B66]

Interesting. I would have expected you to choose the HGH, lol. That's pretty cool it's assisting in the body fat loss/recomp, but I'd think you'd be seeing muscle gains too. Some say the muscle building effect doesn't take place until 4-6 months though just as you pointed out. I think the skin quality change could be placebo.

Well whats kinda interesting is in the last week i have had 3 people come up to me in the gym and tell me that ive gotten bigger, but i find it hard to believe the GH could be working that fast. I am deff bigger but I've upped my training intensity and eat like a champ so i am not sure if its one or the other or both. But i will know for sure in about 4-5 months.
Maybe if we're lucky @mands will chime in, he seems to be very knowledgable on the subject.

 

[ironwill1951]

hgh works best when used in conjunction with AAS ,

 

[roastdawg]

Well whats kinda interesting is in the last week i have had 3 people come up to me in the gym and tell me that ive gotten bigger, but i find it hard to believe the GH could be working that fast. I am deff bigger but I've upped my training intensity and eat like a champ so i am not sure if its one or the other or both. But i will know for sure in about 4-5 months.
Maybe if we're lucky @mands will chime in, he seems to be very knowledgable on the subject.

Gh causes water retention... Not surprising you look bigger right away.

 

[Mr.B66]

Gh causes water retention... Not surprising you look bigger right away.

That would deff explain it!!

 

[power36]

I am a newbie here, but long time on HRT. Results from Test are far more immediate and noticable than GH. GH seems to help fat loss, energy, and recovery of connective tissue and other injuries over the long haul but nothing dramatic. And I needed it medically so my levels were low and it should have been more drastic experience compared to a healthy person, still was not as dramatic as Test or any AAS. Just my experience. When I had to go off GH for a while due to unforseen reasons, that is when I could tell it sucked balls being so tired, hurting, threw me system out of whack big time after being on so long.

Any fat loss effect I saw took many months, some energy and positive mental effects still took a few months...I think over the long long long haul it helps put on some muscle if you are eating right and training hard....but for the cost to benefit ratio Test is best in my humble experience. If you can afford GH and get the real thing, hell yes try it, if you can do it for a long period of time. From what I have read and heard from smarter folks than myself, if you are not middle age the cost:benefit ratio is not as good as AAS. If you are younger you probably need to do a lot more since hopefully your natural levels are higher, and if it is suppressing your natural output at all you do not want that unless you plan on staying on for life.

 

[AKphysique]

Does it suppress your natural gh? I took it for contest prep, 2iu's first thing in the morning only so my natural gh could be released at night and I didn't really feel much of a difference coming off. I was taking 2ius for 3 months. I DID notice that I went hypoglycemic fairly quick if I didn't eat right away

 

[roastdawg]

Does it suppress your natural gh? I took it for contest prep, 2iu's first thing in the morning only so my natural gh could be released at night and I didn't really feel much of a difference coming off. I was taking 2ius for 3 months. I DID notice that I went hypoglycemic fairly quick if I didn't eat right away

Gh raises fbg so going hypo on it easier seems weird. It is suppressive but gh production starts back very quickly after discontinuing. I believe the issue is in the body's sensitivity to its own gh after discontinuing exogenous gh. How long do igf1 levels take to stabilize? There's a thread on it here if you search for it.

 

[power36]

After being on for years then going off, after a few years my IGF-1 level was even lower than before I started GH. So from my experience it does suppress it somewhat, BUT again I had medical issues, and I am in my 40s so everything is dropping by now naturally hah.

What I've read from some really intelligent folks who break down the science more than I can, is that if you are younger and healthy, it might take 1.5iu for you to break even what you naturally produce, and if that is the case is it really worth it? Meaning ok you want real results you see in the mirror, maybe you need to do 3-5iu a day for 6 months, and what the heck does that cost? Whether at a "rejuvenation clinic" in FL, black market, or a CVS prescription 3-5iu daily for 6 months is probably a huge chunk of change. How many cycles can you buy for that, with supplements, and steaks every night?

I am all for GH and will stay on it for as long as my medical circumstances help me get it...but if I was ever taken off of it again, I would use AAS instead, supplements, get deep tissue work, acupuncture, other recovery protocols to help with healing that work well too for lots of issues at fraction of the cost of GH. I like it for the healing, and fat loss too but for the price it might motivate me to do more intervals and eat cleaner to drop the BF.

Many of you might be able to get good GH cheaply I do not know, if that is the case then go for it.

 

[Mr.B66]

I agree with you @power36 , like i told the op , if i had to choose one i would choose AAS hands down.

 

[ironwill1951]

when I was young we could not get coors beer where I live , so when anybody went west we had them bring back some coorrs , now you can get it here and nobody drinks it, that reminds me of gh everybody wants what they cant have ,
then they find out it is not that good .

 

[Docd187123]

Does it suppress your natural gh? I took it for contest prep, 2iu's first thing in the morning only so my natural gh could be released at night and I didn't really feel much of a difference coming off. I was taking 2ius for 3 months. I DID notice that I went hypoglycemic fairly quick if I didn't eat right away

Yes of will suppress your natural GH

 

[Tmisatix]

Thanks for clearing that up guys. We all hear that HGH will separate the gym goers from the bodybuilers, but I guess this is not the case. I still wonder what could contribute to the pro bodybuilders though.... Genetics? I know Dave Palumbo swears by GH and still discusses it.

 

[Tmisatix]

I agree with you @power36 , like i told the op , if i had to choose one i would choose AAS hands down.

It sounds like it AAS contributes to more actual muscle gain and HGH is more so a cosmetic w/ other added benefits

 

[Mr.B66]

Thanks for clearing that up guys. We all hear that HGH will separate the gym goers from the bodybuilers, but I guess this is not the case. I still wonder what could contribute to the pro bodybuilders though.... Genetics? I know Dave Palumbo swears by GH and still discusses it.

Im by no means even close to an expert on GH, im using it so obviously i feel its beneficial, but i agree with you, lots of conflicting info so im just gonna try it and see for myself.

 

[Tmisatix]

Im by no means even close to an expert on GH, im using it so obviously i feel its beneficial, but i agree with you, lots of conflicting info so im just gonna try it and see for myself.

personal experience, The only tried and true way to know for yourself.

 

[power36]

For pro BB, who knows what doses of HGH they are using, and how many AAS at what doses, along with other drugs for all sorts of things...I think it would be really hard for pro BB who are on so many different types of gear, to pinpoint what is exactly doing what. Too many variables. But I am sure many people have selectively done their own experiments with compounds to see what works for them at what doses. There is individual variability to all of these things, even food, supplements, etc for each of us as to what will work so so, good, great, amazing or not at all. And I have no clue on some forums that claim to tell what pro BB use, but if they are indeed accurate heck I have read that supposedly guys do 10-15iu of GH a day, IM or IV, multiple dosings per day, etc. My gosh if you can do 10iu a day of legit HGH, and drop it straight in a vein, I am guessing over time you might see some sick results, but is that realistic for you and your budget? and once you push GH to the extreme dosing limits, or some AAS, what is the trade off in the health risks those doses might present?

GH does some marvelous things, but if its just muscle size you are looking for I do not think its the magic cure. Healing up injuries and connective tissue, I think that is the real beauty of GH. And over very long periods of time dropping bodyfat IF you are already pretty lean.

I do not think GH separates the gym goer from the bodybuilder. There are probably more wealthy old ladies and middle aged men enjoying GH than BBs, and not to get jacked either just all the other benefits. I am not a BB, always trained like a PL/OL, so I can not give personal experience, but friends and others I know who are BB that look legit and are definitely not going to be mistaken for the average gym goer, have one or more of : genetics, crazy work ethic, smart training methods, consistency over the long haul in the iron game (they have been hitting the gym for YEARS), impressive self-discipline with eating clean, smart supplementation, and for some yes juice.

 

[brutus79]

This is not apples to apples comparison. In relation to muscle development hgh and aas work in completely different ways. Steroids increase muscle cell "activities" like increasing the size of the cell by causing enhanced receptor activity and increasing the number of receptors in a cell. From my rudimentary knowledge banks (basically Internet chat rooms and Llewellyn ' book once) steroids do not increase the NUMBER of cells. That is a genetic/predisposed number.
Hgh actually creates NEW cells. The fat loss is nice and all, but pharm gh in the 9-12 iu range every day has some marked weight plateaus getting smashed courtesy of muscle cell proliferation combined with enhanced receptor activity from steroids on the new cells and existing cells. Another big advantage is a big reduction in catabolism... when I am running gh my weight is far more stable in a bulk, and I retain far more of it after.

If you don't have enough to run 9-12 ius a day (6 minimum) and you are looking for muscle growth you will be disappointed. Buy some test. Way cheaper to get swole. Running 2 iu a day is a waste in my opinion- supressive of your natural dose which is basically the same amount. 4iu will have some joint relief from cartilage repair, weight loss,, my nails grow quick and shit but that's about it. Double it on a steroid blast and you blow the fuck up. Gh alone? Waste of fucking time.