einstein1905, question for you!

[gobus]

Hey einstein, I've read a lot of your posts and your pretty damn smart(I'm not saying everyone else is dumb ), so I have a question for you that was never answered at steroidology. I plan on running a Tren E and Test E cycle in the near future, and I read a study saying that Tren will prevent liopgenesis as long as no estradiol was present:

StJohn LC, Ekeren PA, Crouse JD, Schanbacher BD, Smith SB, lipogenesis in adipose tissue from ovariectomized and intact heifers immunized against estradiol and/or implanted with trenbolone acetate, J Anim Sci 1987 May, 64 (5) : 1428-33

I know we're not cows, but would it be wise to run Aromasin with my Test cycle so I can get the full benefit of the Tren fat-burning effect, and would the Aromasin's increase in IGF be enough to offset the lack of benefits I would get from increased estrogen? Or should I just stick to Test and Tren(I will have to use Nolva throughout cycle because I am gyno prone like nobody's business). Your opinion or anyone else's is more than welcome, as I've been thinking about this for a while. Thanks!

 

[gobus]

ttt

 

[einstein1905]

WTH? I just answered this about 20 min ago here.


Anyway, it's not just tren's ability to prevent lipogenesis that's important. Tren also promotes lipolysis. All of the cattle studies show that tren + estradiol implants are far superior than tren alone implants in terms of increasing LBM. Estrogen is too anabolic to do without. I'm on a tren/test/EQ cycle, and I'm doing no cardio, yet I've gained nothing but LBM. Tren has also been shown to greatly increase serum IGF-1 levels, thereby providing another means of indirect lipolysis. Take advantage of elevated estrogen.....it's not something to fear. Again, I just use 10mg/day of nolva and 0.25mg/day of adex, and that's all I need to keep estrogenic sides under control, while still allowing for the benefits of elevated estrogen

 

[occam]

I'm also using tren and test E along with EQ, but I'm using Femara. What dosage would you recomend to take advantage of the estrogen while limiting unwanted sides?

 

[graybass]

You guys all stealing my cycle? LOL J/K.

"F"in Tren E is a Beast!!

 

[occam]

Guess you can't sleep either Old G?

 

[scrappy]

I want to chime in and say I think a lot of guys over use or under use anti e's. 10mg-20mg nolv and .25mg arim ed or even eod are usually enough. More anti aromatases usually supress sex drive and make you feel lowsy

 

[gobus]

WTH? I just answered this about 20 min ago here.


Anyway, it's not just tren's ability to prevent lipogenesis that's important. Tren also promotes lipolysis. All of the cattle studies show that tren + estradiol implants are far superior than tren alone implants in terms of increasing LBM. Estrogen is too anabolic to do without. I'm on a tren/test/EQ cycle, and I'm doing no cardio, yet I've gained nothing but LBM. Tren has also been shown to greatly increase serum IGF-1 levels, thereby providing another means of indirect lipolysis. Take advantage of elevated estrogen.....it's not something to fear. Again, I just use 10mg/day of nolva and 0.25mg/day of adex, and that's all I need to keep estrogenic sides under control, while still allowing for the benefits of elevated estrogen

I see, thanks a lot. I didn't see another thread on this, so sorry if I posted this again. I knew tren increased lipolysis, just didn't know if it would be more beneficial to keep the estrogen or lose it. Thanks again.