Election 2004

[bigpmp]

Anyone remember what cost George H. Bush the election in 1992? That's right, the economy. He went from a 96% approval rating during the Gulf War to loosing the election less than 2 years later. Is junior following the same pattern? It was once said that, "All politics are local." The war on terror is necessary, it is hard to argue that, but if the gas prices and inflation are not brought under control soon, junior may suffer the same fate as his daddy. Wholesale prices rose over .7 % in the last month. New car sales were down for the first month in who knows how long. It won't be long until the concern over the war on terror is over come by the concern of how to feed the family. If Bush thinks he can ride the War horse all the way to victory in November, he may find himself draggin his saddle back to Texas. JMHO

 

[esco]

actually what lost it for bush sr was ...a. he didnt fight for it and b. clinton ran a smarter campaign .... the economy was actuall y on the rise back up due to bush sr ... but clinton used that push as saying its because america was ready for change and that it was because of him ....when he actually road bush srs rising economy shirt tails. just my .02

Anyone remember what cost George H. Bush the election in 1992? That's right, the economy. He went from a 96% approval rating during the Gulf War to loosing the election less than 2 years later. Is junior following the same pattern? It was once said that, "All politics are local." The war on terror is necessary, it is hard to argue that, but if the gas prices and inflation are not brought under control soon, junior may suffer the same fate as his daddy. Wholesale prices rose over .4 % in the last month. New car sales were down for the first month in who knows how long. It won't be long until the concern over the war on terror is over come by the concern of how to feed the family. If Bush thinks he can ride the War horse all the way to victory in November, he may find himself draggin his saddle back to Texas. JMHO

 

[bigpmp]

actually what lost it for bush sr was ...a. he didnt fight for it and b. clinton ran a smarter campaign .... the economy was actuall y on the rise back up due to bush sr ... but clinton used that push as saying its because america was ready for change and that it was because of him ....when he actually road bush srs rising economy shirt tails. just my .02

can't argue that the economic success of clinton was directly related to bush sr. the problemis, that sr. did not become concerned with the economy until it was too late. his own sec. of state, james ***** admits that the timing of the recesion was responsible for much of sr. downfall. plus his inability to keep congress from raising taxes, which was an election promise of his 4 years earlier. he was not able to sustain the high of the gulf war and ride it to victory. his economic recovery was too late for him to reap the benefits. jr. is making the same mistake. the longer this conflict continues the more he will loose support.

 

[esco]

ah, i would then have to agree with you on that.

can't argue that the economic success of clinton was directly related to bush sr. the problemis, that sr. did not become concerned with the economy until it was too late. his own sec. of state, james ***** admits that the timing of the recesion was responsible for much of sr. downfall. plus his inability to keep congress from raising taxes, which was an election promise of his 4 years earlier. he was not able to sustain the high of the gulf war and ride it to victory. his economic recovery was too late for him to reap the benefits. jr. is making the same mistake. the longer this conflict continues the more he will loose support.

 

[bigpmp]

Well I guess Bush just cant win. When we were in a recession, -GDP growth, people railed against that and said "Look at what a bad economy we are in". When the GDP started to grow at a phenomenal rate people called it a jobless recovery, and said "Look at what a bad economy we are in." And now that the economy has consistently added jobs over the last 8 months people point to rising inflation and say "Look at what a bad economy we are in." You can't have strong economic growth and no inflation. Its just not going to happen. One causes the other.

I agree with you. I am a Bush supporter. I just hope he has someone watching his back enough to remind him to keep an eye on the economy. I don't want him to lose this one because he ignored the home front. Actually chat is in jepordy of happening is exactly what cost his father the election. A rare economic occurance called stagflation, where inflation and unemployment are both high at the same time. No money to spend yet inflation is high. It does not happen often, but if you review the current economic status of the U.S. you can see that it is very possible. Recovery from stagflation is very comlicated and hard to sell to the public.

 

[pumppumppuk]

all have made good points and i agree with most, but i believe ross p. was the reason bush senior lost the race. he took a lot of republican votes and very little democrat votes. just remember the majority voted against clinton both times, but thats politics.

i wish we didnt have a strong two party system because neither party represents the middle-class which is probably the majority of voters.


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[esco]

very good point pump. i actually said in another thread tha if giullanni(sp) ran i'd probabky vote for him.

all have made good points and i agree with most, but i believe ross p. was the reason bush senior lost the race. he took a lot of republican votes and very little democrat votes. just remember the majority voted against clinton both times, but thats politics.

i wish we didnt have a strong two party system because neither party represents the middle-class which is probably the majority of voters.


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[Manuel_Hung]

very good point pump. i actually said in another thread tha if giullanni(sp) ran i'd probabky vote for him.

The economy was perking up when the 92 election took place....but people don't give a rats ass about leading economic indicators....they care if they feel secure with their jobs and how much shit costs.....the jobs added are retail...wallmart jobs, high tech and manufacturing, where u make some money and have health insurance are still stagnant...........Kerry sucks as a campainer....but the stars may alaign for him to win.....billions spent on a war fought on false pretenses, economic malaise at home = disaster for Jr.

 

[bigpmp]

The economy was perking up when the 92 election took place....but people don't give a rats ass about leading economic indicators....they care if they feel secure with their jobs and how much shit costs.....the jobs added are retail...wallmart jobs, high tech and manufacturing, where u make some money and have health insurance are still stagnant...........Kerry sucks as a campainer....but the stars may alaign for him to win.....billions spent on a war fought on false pretenses, economic malaise at home = disaster for Jr.

i agree

 

[bearze34]

The economy was perking up when the 92 election took place....but people don't give a rats ass about leading economic indicators....they care if they feel secure with their jobs and how much shit costs.....the jobs added are retail...wallmart jobs, high tech and manufacturing, where u make some money and have health insurance are still stagnant...........Kerry sucks as a campainer....but the stars may alaign for him to win.....billions spent on a war fought on false pretenses, economic malaise at home = disaster for Jr.

I too think that Bush is a very beatable candidiate. However, if the Kerry people don't come up with a reason to vote for him that resonates with the American people other than the "Vote for me I am not Bush" ideal he will not win.

 

[Phreezer]

windigo.. I'm well aware that Gas prices spike during the summer... However, that does not change the fact that the ties and links between the Bushs and the Saudi Princes are more than just coincidence to the higher prices... You are correct..gas prices do go up in the summers.. but Typically they are not $3.00+ per gallon in May. (and i believe we will see gas prices $5.00+ by mid summer) And this does not change teh fact that head of the Oil reserves has been lying about the amount of oil in the reserves.. and his comment about being "pressured" to keep a lower count than was actually there from being true.

No matter how you like to slice and dice it.. The price of gas right now is very much being influenced by the current administration.

 

[Bob Smith]

You are correct..gas prices do go up in the summers.. but Typically they are not $3.00+ per gallon in May. (and i believe we will see gas prices $5.00+ by mid summer)

Youre on crack if you think gas will hit $5/gal in the US. I would bet that gas doesnt even hit $2.50-3.00 in the Midwest. Either way, gas is still historically inexpensive.

 

[thick]

i totally agree phreezer. Way too much of a coincidence that gas prices are blowing away previous all time highs. This is rediculous and cant be justified by saying that prices were low to begin with. That is like what the president at palmer college did when he raised tuition every other trimester when it had went years with no increases. He said we were still lower than Palmers campus in California and rambled out other bullshit. Didnt mention cost of living differences etc. We are getting hosed on the gas prices and Bush and co. is making a killing.
As for re-elections: It seems like both bush jr. and sr. dont know how to manage public support. Kinda like a powerlifting competition. You want your peak strenth on that one date. Well both Bush's peak out a year to early. I really think Bush will lose. 6months ago i wouldve voted for him and bet that he would win hands down. Something major will have to change for him to win IMO.
No matter how you like to slice and dice it.. The price of gas right now is very much being influenced by the current administration.[/QUOTE]

 

[peytonpaw]

Bob<
I am in Nevada and the gas price for reg. unleaded is 2.30.....I can see 3.00 buy July

 

[greyowl]

Up here in Canada, everybody is yelling about gas prices but it's still cheaper than bottled water.

People who have convinced themselves that they need a SUV to drive to the mall and back to pick up a litre of milk have no call to complain about gas prices.

 

[Bob Smith]

Along with Bush behind the gas conspiracy, I think he is also behind the outrageous prices of milk Ive been paying lately! He must be helping out his farmer friends when milk goes from $1.79/gal to $3.25/gal.

 

[peytonpaw]

Did I just write buy for by...God I can't wait til school is over ...we just had a huge fight between the jocks and the mexicans....like 30 total guys...sorry off the subject...what's up with the milk prices, I have 4 kids and they drink milk like it is water.....So much for that fucking tax cut we got way back in the summer...the milk and gas took it all....I guess Bush knew something was up when he gave us that....mmm what was it, oh yeah 400.00 per a child times 4 for a total of 1600.00 back...yeah it was put back into the economy for fucking gas and milk....10 school days left

 

[Bob Smith]

Tax cuts or not, the national deficit (and debt, by extension) will never be eliminated if both parties dont get their ass in line and lower spending. Tax increases will not do it, only a reduction in spending will. But that will never happen as each politician has to "give back" to his people.

Solve the problem, vote Libertarian.

 

[thick]

milk jumped from 1.84 to 2.25 or 2.30 in a week here. Gonna have to raise fees

 

[bigpmp]

milk jumped from 1.84 to 2.25 or 2.30 in a week here. Gonna have to raise fees

Milk is 3.69 here in Texas. There is a fucking dairy 20 miles from me. WTF? BTW, the government took that 400 back this year. The gov. giveth and the gov. taketh away. The people that do my taxes said they took it right back, so we did not get shit after all.