End of Primo for Me

[Whistles77]

Bit of a topic that has been beat dead at this point but figured it would serve as a reminder for those who want something to work that occasionally there are compounds that simply don’t work for you.

Have always been interested in primo (stocked up on quite a bit back when it was available) and am about 6 weeks into trying for a 3rd time to work it into a regiment.

Unfortunately, as someone who already barely aromatizes (1800 TT on 200mg/test/wk puts me at 35-40E2 sensitive), it appears that any ratio of test to primo just does not work.

Currently running 500mg/test + 70mg of primo or a ~7:1 ratio, felt way too jittery/couldn’t sleep/shot libido - E2 came back at 11. Two days of some dbol and what do you know, feel like a million bucks.

Everything else looks perfect, but the low E2 is a horrible feeling for me and is the only thing that can get my BP over 115/65, so looks like that’s the end of the road for primo for me!

Im curious what your bloodwork comes back at for a 500mg Test cycle without primo? Would be interesting to gauge if primo crushes e2 in your body, or if at 500mg, you're still in e2 "reference" range.

 

[Sicsemptyran]

Im curious what your bloodwork comes back at for a 500mg Test cycle without primo? Would be interesting to gauge if primo crushes e2 in your body, or if at 500mg, you're still in e2 "reference" range.

I am going to end the cycle by dropping the primo and seeing, but I do have data points at 400 which does indeed put me at about 3200 TT and ~70E2

 

[Zc7219]

Primo sucks anyways. Especially for me. I can run like 200 tops with 750 test and my estrogen is like 20. I’d rather just use aromasin at that point 200 primo isn’t doing shit.

 

[Whistles77]

I am going to end the cycle by dropping the primo and seeing, but I do have data points at 400 which does indeed put me at about 3200 TT and ~70E2

You'd have to wait several weeks for the Primo to clear your system to get a pure reading of what your e2 is on 500 test,

But your extra datapoint is interesting. So if we guestimated that on 500 test, you might have ~80E2, that would suggest that 70mg of Primo was dropping your e2 from 80 to 11 whilst on 500mg Test per week. If so.......holy hell Primo doesn't like you.

 

[Whistles77]

I wonder the same thing honestly. Not sure whether it was just a lot of primo faked with mast, guys throwing in dbol a lot more, or just not being wusses.

When I tried running test-primo 2:1 I ended up with a sensitive E2 that was essentially undetectable, haha. Was the first time I ever had blood pressure I couldn't control.

Definitely think some people also don't have noticeable side effects from low/high E2 and very well might be able to just cruise with no E2 and not notice it. For me, I've never had a single high E2 symptom but if I go lower than ~15 E2 my blood pressure skyrockets like clockwork.

One question

when you started blasting 500T, how soon after that did you add the primo? What dose of T were you on before the blast? Possible that you hadnt had time for t serum and e2 levels to stabilise at high level and then before T had accumulated it was nuked by the primo.

Just a thought.

 

[Sicsemptyran]

when you started blasting 500T, how soon after that did you add the primo? What dose of T were you on before the blast? Possible that you hadnt had time for t serum and e2 levels to stabilise at high level and then before T had accumulated it was nuked by the primo.

Just a thought.

Good question - Was on 250mg of test and added the primo as soon as I bumped to 500mg.

It’s also been 9-10 weeks at this point so with thin MCT carrier oils so everything should be quite saturated by now. Good question though, I could definitely see that causing an issue on the front end.

 

[Whistles77]

Good question - Was on 250mg of test and added the primo as soon as I bumped to 500mg.

It’s also been 9-10 weeks at this point so with thin MCT carrier oils so everything should be quite saturated by now. Good question though, I could definitely see that causing an issue on the front end.

If e2 crashes in front end, i'm not sure how easily it recovers. Might be individual, but i think it's worth considering that this might have been the issue and you could need a break from DHT's like Primo and next time try from a test blast saturation with higher e2.

Low primo, low test hits my e2 HARD. Saturated at 500T, 300 primo feels great.