Ending cycle. Starting PCT. Need some advice please.

[Bigbicep]

Sup meso. I decided to end my cycle because I ran out of needles and I came to the last of my vial and didn’t feel like getting more needles and opening another vial even though the plan was 16 weeks. 12 weeks is fine. Iv put on 30lbs so I’m happy. Now I’m starting my PCT.

Iv been injecting Ed so should I start my Pct in 2 weeks from last pin or before then?

Also my PCT protocol is a 4 week PCT that consists of:
Clomid- 50/50/25/25
Nolva- 40/40/20/20
Aromasin- 12.5mg e3d

Would like to hear your thoughts

Thanks guys.

 

[rask1123]

Sup meso. I decided to end my cycle because I ran out of needles and I came to the last of my vial and didn’t feel like getting more needles and opening another vial even though the plan was 16 weeks. 12 weeks is fine. Iv put on 30lbs so I’m happy. Now I’m starting my PCT.

Iv been injecting Ed so should I start my Pct in 2 weeks from last pin or before then?

Also my PCT protocol is a 4 week PCT that consists of:
Clomid- 50/50/25/25
Nolva- 40/40/20/20
Aromasin- 12.5mg e3d

Would like to hear your thoughts

Thanks guys.

What gear have you been using during the cycle?

 

[Bigbicep]

What gear have you been using during the cycle?

Oh sorry forgot to mention. 500 test only. First cycle

 

[Bigbicep]

Test enanthate

 

[rask1123]

Oh sorry forgot to mention. 500 test only. First cycle

then wait for 3 to 4 weeks before PCT.
Or check your Total T on the week 3 and if it is in the mid of reference range - start PCT.

And for PCT just do it on Clomid, You don't need Nolva and Aromasin.
Do Clomid - 50mg x 30 days and 25mg X 15 days.

On the week 3 of PCT check total T, E2 and then decide if you need Aromasin.

 

[Bigbicep]

then wait for 3 to 4 weeks before PCT.
Or check your Total T on the week 3 and if it is in the mid of reference range - start PCT.

And for PCT just do it on Clomid, You don't need Nolva and Aromasin.
Do Clomid - 50mg x 30 days and 25mg X 15 days.

On the week 3 of PCT check total T, E2 and then decide if you need Aromasin.

Cool thanks bro!

 

[Jin23]

Don't do clomid, do tamox. Clomid really should be discontinued once and for all. All the negative horror stories about depression, etc. while doing pct have mostly come from clomid. It's due to it's zuclomiphene stereo isomer, which acts as a potent estrogen. Just use tamox at 20/20/10/10

Start at week 3 - 4 post last pin. And if you haven't used hcg on cycle, now is the time to start using a bit larger dose and then stop using a couple of days pre SERM's.

Have you not studied PCT before you started your cycle?

 

[Bigbicep]

Don't do clomid, do tamox. Clomid really should be discontinued once and for all. All the negative horror stories about depression, etc. while doing pct have mostly come from clomid. It's due to it's zuclomiphene stereo isomer, which acts as a potent estrogen. Just use tamox at 20/20/10/10

Start at week 3 - 4 post last pin. And if you haven't used hcg on cycle, now is the time to start using a bit larger dose and then stop using a couple of days pre SERM's.

Have you not studied PCT before you started your cycle?

I did. I actually was very prepared for this cycle but now I’m here and I just wanna make sure everything is double checked by you guys. I chose not to run hcg during my cycle. Mabey because cost and I don’t really need it that much. But I’ll definitely use it in my next cycle. Thanks. I think I’m going to run both right now. Clomid for the natural test and nolva because I think I got a tiny bit of nip flair up but not sure. Might just be body fat. But if I start feeling like shit I’ll cut one out. Was going to use enclo but heard some horror story’s about it lol

 

[Jin23]

Clomid for the natural test

Khm, wot?

Both clomid and tamox are serms. Just use tamox, no need for both. You did a short and easy cycle. Don't go overboard with serms, no need to. There really never was a need for two serms anyway, that's some unnecessary legacy bro science.

 

[Bigbicep]

Khm, wot?

Both clomid and tamox are serms. Just use tamox, no need for both. You did a short and easy cycle. Don't go overboard with serms, no need to. There really never was a need for two serms anyway, that's some unnecessary legacy bro science.

From my understanding. Clomid is what boosts your natty test levels and tamox helps you not get gyno. If what your saying is true I’ll just use the tamox

 

[Jin23]

From my understanding. Clomid is what boosts your natty test levels and tamox helps you not get gyno. If what your saying is true I’ll just use the tamox

Yes. Both are serms and perform the same action. Tamox does have a higher binding affinity to breast tissues then clomid yes, but both work the same in the CNS at blocking estrogen receptors. Clomid (specifically enclomiphene) is better at raising test levels then all other serms, but the difference isnt that significant and certainly not at the price of suffering zuclomiphen's sides. Next time buy enclomiphene, it's the best option out there.

 

[rask1123]

Yes. Both are serms and perform the same action. Tamox does have a higher binding affinity to breast tissues then clomid yes, but both work the same in the CNS at blocking estrogen receptors. Clomid (specifically enclomiphene) is better at raising test levels then all other serms, but the difference isnt that significant and certainly not at the price of suffering zuclomiphen's sides. Next time buy enclomiphene, it's the best option out there.

The key is that almost no one was suffering any Zuclomifene's side effects until everyone started talking about them

In 99% cases the only side effects you may get - slight decrease in libido and some temp. minor vision impairments.

depression and such are so rare side effects that you may just exclude them from equation.

So, yeah, If you have a good source of Enclo - it's better to buy Enclo, But if not - Clomid is the best shot, it showed no permanent side effects in long term studies and has no toxicity unlike Tamox