EuroChem Decaject 200/Decaject Depot - HPLC-UV - 2015-06 - performed by SIMEC via AnabolicLab.com

[AnabolicLab.com]

AnabolicLab.com has published two new reports today.

EuroChem Labs produces two different nandrolone decanoate (aka Deca Durabolin) products. I'm not sure why. One claims to be 200mg/ml and the other claims to be 250mg/ml. SIMEC conducted HPLC analyses on samples of both products. The results are attached in two PDF files.

Source: http://anaboliclab.com/lab-results/...-ec-decaject-200-lab-test-results-2015-06-02/

http://anaboliclab.com/lab-results/...c-decaject-depot-lab-test-results-2015-06-02/

 

[brutus79]

Does this lab use the same reference samples as they do when testing for naps to come to 110% purity conclusions? Is there and transparency about what is being used as the standard?

 

[heady muscle]

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[Millard]

Does this lab use the same reference samples as they do when testing for naps to come to 110% purity conclusions? Is there and transparency about what is being used as the standard?

Purity is not reported. Overdosed product does not indicate purity is greater than 100%. What specific information do you want to know about the standards and I will request it. SIMEC is an accredited lab so they have access to the reference standards from Steraloids and other recognized chemical research companies.

 

[brutus79]

Purity is not reported. Overdosed product does not indicate purity is greater than 100%. What specific information do you want to know about the standards and I will request it. SIMEC is an accredited lab so they have access to the reference standards from Steraloids and other recognized chemical research companies.

I think it would be helpful to know where exactly the reference sample was procured. Do they obtain a new reference sample every test? Or do they keep them on site for a specified length of time? How are they tested to ensure accuracy?

 

[brutus79]

I am also curious if we are going to use other labs... the lab would have more credibility if identical samples were sent to different labs and they had the same results. I feel uncomfortable with all our eggs in one basket. What about the labmax ms/HPLC testing

 

[rpbb]

I am also curious if we are going to use other labs... the lab would have more credibility if identical samples were sent to different labs and they had the same results. I feel uncomfortable with all our eggs in one basket. What about the labmax ms/HPLC testing

A good idea, but I'm not sure if anaboliclab is big enough yet to incur the additional cost

 

[mercury]

the last time I checked on EuroChem it was very underdoesed.

Any info who is supplying the samples ?

 

[Docd187123]

I am also curious if we are going to use other labs... the lab would have more credibility if identical samples were sent to different labs and they had the same results. I feel uncomfortable with all our eggs in one basket. What about the labmax ms/HPLC testing

Don't you mean the lab's results would be more believable? I mean why are we questioning the credibility of the lab when it's been accredited? I think it's bc we were expecting dismal results that some are having a hard time believing them. It's almost like the chicken and the egg argument: are you questioning the credibility bc you had a preconceived notion of how the results would turn out or are you questioning the results bc of the credibility of the lab?

 

[rpbb]

the last time I checked on EuroChem it was very underdoesed.

Any info who is supplying the samples ?

which test did you use

 

[roastdawg]

I am also curious if we are going to use other labs... the lab would have more credibility if identical samples were sent to different labs and they had the same results. I feel uncomfortable with all our eggs in one basket. What about the labmax ms/HPLC testing

The couple of labmax ms tests I've seen (in the bulk cyp thread in the ug) came back higher than expected as well. Would be a good idea to do this a couple of times I think.

 

[mercury]

which test did you use

lab tested HPLC a while ago.

 

[redrum720]

I would just ask straight up on every lab
What is the purity in each vial
Again it's says 200it has 210 of what is it more oil than gear I would like the compound breakdown

 

[Millard]

I think it would be helpful to know where exactly the reference sample was procured. Do they obtain a new reference sample every test? Or do they keep them on site for a specified length of time? How are they tested to ensure accuracy?

I've forwarded your questions to SIMEC. Thanks, Brutus

I am also curious if we are going to use other labs... the lab would have more credibility if identical samples were sent to different labs and they had the same results. I feel uncomfortable with all our eggs in one basket. What about the labmax ms/HPLC testing

While SIMEC has my full confidence as well as that of the analtyical testing community, I can appreciate the concern. We could do a few spot checks as you suggest. It shouldn't take many to validate the results. The Dutch-based MMC Int. is the lab that does testing for labmax. This may be one option. In addition, ENERGY CONTROL in Barcelona has told me they plan on accepting and analyzing AAS samples in the next 6-12 months.

 

[Docd187123]

I would just ask straight up on every lab
What is the purity in each vial
Again it's says 200it has 210 of what is it more oil than gear I would like the compound breakdown

You're not understanding purity as it's used in chemistry. Purity is the percent of pure substance compared to impure substance. In this case, if the label claims 200mg/ml of deca for example and the lab result reveals it is really 210mg/ml it just means there is more deca in there than claimed on the label. Purity would involve additional testing to see what else is in the solution besides deca and solvents/oil.

 

[rpbb]

maybe a sample could

I would just ask straight up on every lab
What is the purity in each vial
Again it's says 200it has 210 of what is it more oil than gear I would like the compound breakdown

correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't purity only used for raws

 

[Docd187123]

maybe a sample could

correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't purity only used for raws

Purity can be used for solutions but it requires testing to see what contaminants are in there.

 

[insertnamehere]

the last time I checked on EuroChem it was very underdoesed.

Any info who is supplying the samples ?

You've mentioned analytical testing on various AAS products on several occasions now.

Do have any data on your testing? If so, would you please post it?

 

[mercury]

You've mentioned analytical testing on various AAS products on several occasions now.

Do have any data on your testing? If so, would you please post it?

the problem is that it was good a few months ago, it might be bunk today.

I see this all the time.

So posting some results a few months old might cause too much controversy.

 

[mercury]

The Dutch-based MMC Int. is the lab that does testing for labmax. This may be one option. In addition, ENERGY CONTROL in Barcelona has told me they plan on accepting and analyzing AAS samples in the next 6-12 months.

this is not correct a lot of samples were sent to them by members. they did a lot testing for free for people before. despite so much contribution people only bitch at them.

they did for me too, last time they refused because and they had problems with people calling them like it was open crack house. I believe the do only domestic for Canadian customers now.