Excess Protein

[jJjburton]

I have been eating 225 g of protein. But DBOL increases protein systhesis along with other compunds. So I went to 3 times my body weight in KG. which is 260 g protein. I want to go for 280 g though. It's a fucking lot to eat with out any protein shakes, which I feel is better. Do I really need this much? I am eating all day non stop to achieve this. I can't see myself doing this for my whole cycle but at least for the DBOL part of it. 4 -5 weeks.

I feel like it is too much protein, I think I could do 240 g, since I am working out only 2 hrs a day. But I want to get as big/Strong/Muscular as possible.
I mean some days I will not get to 280 grams of protein.


Is 30 g of protein an amount that will change my results?
So what happens to protein if you have an excess of it? Will it turn into fat? I know Carbs will.

How much protein do you eat? How much exercise do you do? Physical Labor for work?

 

[jJjburton]

I hit 295 g of protein. Any input on excess?

 

[evarthecaveman]

First question is why do you think protein from a shake is worse then protein from food? What do you think is different between it? You're going to get varying answers on this. I like my protein to be 1.5-2g per LBM. Fat doesn't have the use for protein. Higher your carbs are the less protein you'll need. I usually keep carbs 2x my protein. But find what works for you

 

[jJjburton]

I have been eating 500g carbs. 100 g fat. I realize that powder can allow you to hit protein easier. I just feel that real food is better. Besides the fact it allows you to gain calories. More weight. 30 g protein from chicken is definatly better then 30 g protein from powder. But If one can't keep up the protein from real food, and powder is the difference from 200 to 280 g of protein. Then the powder is obviously a great option. Which might have to happen in my case. But today I did it. Who knows about 3 weeks from now. Thanks for the answer of protein to fat though. So protein in strictly for muscles?

 

[Skull]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/randy11.htm

 

[evarthecaveman]

I have been eating 500g carbs. 100 g fat. I realize that powder can allow you to hit protein easier. I just feel that real food is better. Besides the fact it allows you to gain calories. More weight. 30 g protein from chicken is definatly better then 30 g protein from powder. But If one can't keep up the protein from real food, and powder is the difference from 200 to 280 g of protein. Then the powder is obviously a great option. Which might have to happen in my case. But today I did it. Who knows about 3 weeks from now. Thanks for the answer of protein to fat though. So protein in strictly for muscles?

I've gotten my protein from whole food and I've gotten 3/4 of it from shakes and have noticed 0 difference. Just saying

 

[jJjburton]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/randy11.htm

Word....I preach, everyone should find out what works for you too. For some reason I didn't think of it towards protein intake. GOOD LOOKING OUT!

 

[Mayne]

Whey protein is likely the best all around form of protein, doesn't mean forget about food but all the bullshit about real food > whey powder is out of whack.

 

[Dr JIM]

How much protein is "enough"? That's easy to answer but difficult to objectively quantify; and is that amount of protein required to maintain a positive nitrogen balance. Which is, in many ways, the most reliable means of ensuring anabolism exceeds catabolism on a cellular level.

However any attempt to objectively quantify the "amount" of protein needed must take into account the metabolic needs of each individual.

The latter will largely depend upon specific catabolic processes and include all forms of "prolonged" endurance activity (cross-fit training, cycling, marathon running etc) and perhaps to a lesser extent BB, power lifting and conventional aerobic exercise.

It's important to understand anabolic processes include the reversal of catabolic events but must also be sufficient to ensure additional cellular division and or hypertrophy.

However unlike catabolic events anabolism is largely FIXED being modulated thru specific hormones such as GH, insulin and testosterone.

The net effect being unless the individual is using PEDs that can alter the rate of anabolism the question is not how much protein is "enough" but rather how much protein CAN BE USED!

 

[grey]

I hit 295 g of protein. Any input on excess?

This is far from a problem level of protein for a 190 pound male.

 

[Dr JIM]

Consequently the amount of protein which can be utilized become a function of those aforementioned catabolic and anabolic processes.

IMO for comparative purposes, there there should be little doubt a BB will be able to exceed the protein requirements of the SEVERELY BURNED patient, which equates to ONE GRAM of protein per POUND of body weight.

In fact the ingestion of protein in quantities in excess of this amount only resulted in the proportional production of urea which strongly suggests, the utilization limit of protein approximates ONE GRAM/POUND of body weight, and quantities that exceed that amount, more likely than not, simply generate EXPENSIVE URINE.
(Or I suspect it would be very difficult to refute the assertion the anabolic rate of return falls precipitously once protein ingestion approximates 1 gram / pound of body weight)

This is just another example of how some BB have propagated the notion if some is good MORE IS BETTER, NOT.

 

[grey]

IMO for comparative purposes, there there should be little doubt a BB will be able to exceed the protein requirements of the SEVERELY BURNED patient, which equates to ONE GRAM of protein per POUND of body weight.

That is a nice comparison point.... Never considered it.

 

[jJjburton]

Yea, that's why i posted this form. But is there any studies that make this point valid? I don't know how someone can measure this to be true or not. Would it be by actually measuring the nitrogen in urea?

 

[Docd187123]

Yea, that's why i posted this form. But is there any studies that make this point valid? I don't know how someone can measure this to be true or not. Would it be by actually measuring the nitrogen in urea?

Nitrogen balance isn't the best choice to optimize protein intake. It's not a useless measure but neither does it paint a complete picture either.

 

[Dr JIM]

Studies that compare BB to burn patients, oh I sincerely doubt that but I know of NO ailment that mandates more aggressive protein supplementation than severely burned patients.

Why, bc burned patients have lost their protective dermis allowing protein (from albumin, peptides and SHBG) to literally ooze from their body and soak their bed sheets.

The 3rd spacing which occurs in burn patients diminishes the effectiveness of what little protein remains and their GI tract is unable to absorb sufficient quantities of calories and protein which is why HYPERALIMENTAION is required.

These catabolic processes are often so difficult to manage that anabolism becomes an afterthought and is one reason such patients frequently DIE!

There simply is NO BB COMPARISON !

You want to know more Google away.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

This is one of those endless arguments. It really seems to be opinion. I've never seen anything definitive. My my real life experience shows me more most usually is better, to a point. I find taking in merely a gram of protein per bodyweight on a cycle a failure on my part. Why? Cuz it sure SEEMS I recover faster and the most obvious factor I get bigger. The first may be debatable the latter is not

 

[evarthecaveman]

This is one of those endless arguments. It really seems to be opinion. I've never seen anything definitive. My my real life experience shows me more most usually is better, to a point. I find taking in merely a gram of protein per bodyweight on a cycle a failure on my part. Why? Cuz it sure SEEMS I recover faster and the most obvious factor I get bigger. The first may be debatable the latter is not

I've tested this on my self

Went from 350-400 G protein a day to 220 g and replaced those cals with carbs to equal the same total cals. Every single lift went down. After a month or so all of my lifts were about 20% down I would say. Upped my protein to 300 and they all started going up. Gotta find the sweet spot I don't listen to science for everything. I gave it a honest shot and 1.5g per lb is where it's at for me!

 

[Dr JIM]

The latter certainly is debatable bc there are many causes for you or anyone else to get bigger.

Try glycogen restoration, fluid retention and fat gains for starters.

And if you haven't found anything definitive your not looking, IME.​

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

The latter certainly is debatable bc there are many causes for you or anyone else to get bigger. Try fluid retention to fat gains for starters.

And if you haven't found anything definitive your not looking, IME.​

Or simply a caloric surplus by way of protein.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

I've tested this on my self

Went from 350-400 G protein a day to 220 g and replaced those cals with carbs to equal the same total cals. Every single lift went down. After a month or so all of my lifts were about 20% down I would say. Upped my protein to 300 and they all started going up. Gotta find the sweet spot I don't listen to science for everything. I gave it a honest shot and 1.5g per lb is where it's at for me!

Ive found 2g/lb bodyweight to be a bit excessive. 400-450 g on cycle and all I do is get bigger, stronger and slimmer in the waist