FAQ: What do you want to know about the AnabolicLab.com lab testing program?

[Millard]

I am working on an FAQ for the AnabolicLab.com lab testing program. What questions do you have? What do you want to know about it? Feel free to add your own questions.

Please provide feedback and suggestions on the following. I will continue to add and revise. Your help is greatly appreciated:

Spoiler: AnabolicLab.com FAQ rought draft

Who performs the analyses of the product samples?

We submit all product samples to fully-accredited and licensed lab testing facilities that have government authorization to handle and analyze anabolic-androgenic steroids (AAS). Our primary testing partner is SIMEC AG in Switzerland.

Do the manufacturers and/vendors know which products are being tested?

All samples are purchased secretly and anonymously from online steroid sources and submitted to an accredited lab testing facility without the knowledge of any seller or manufacturer. Every effort is made to ensure that sellers and manufacturers have no idea who is purchasing the product, which product is purchased, or when the product is purchased.

How do you decide which brands are being tested?

We want to have the maximum impact on the community using the limited funds we have. This means the program will generally focused on established and/or popular labs with a significant customer base and wide distribution. We believe this is the best way for lab testing to have the greatest relevance to the larger community of steroid users.

The ultimate goal is to randomly and repeatedly test ALL of the most popular steroids and ALL of the most popular manufacturers in regional and international marketplaces.

Which brands and products are you testing next?

Sorry, we can't let anyone know until all samples in each round of testing have been collected. If we give notice of the products to be tested, sellers could conceivably adjust their inventory in anticipation of testing. For this reason, the collection process must be done in secrecy to prevent any sellers or manufacturers from influencing the results.

Can I share the results and lab reports on another website?

All lab results are published on anaboliclab.com and are freely available to the public. We encourage the posting and redistribution of the reports on other forums and websites as long as the reports are passed along unmodified and in whole with credit to AnabolicLab.com.

We want the lab results to reach as many people as possible. The wider distribution of the lab reports will have maximal harm reduction effects.

I am an individual consumer. Can I donate free product samples for testing?

We do not accept product sample donations from consumers. AnabolicLab.com secretly purchases all product samples directly from an authorized reseller or the manufacturer.

I am an individual consumer. Can I pay you to test a product for me?

We do not currently offer a personal testing program. All personal testing requests are currently referred to SIMEC AG at simec.ch.

I am a seller and/or manufacturer of AAS. Can I donate freeproduct samples for testing?

Absolutely not. We do not accept product sample donations from sellers and/or manufacturers. AnabolicLab.com secretly purchases all product samples directly from an authorized reseller or the manufacturer. It is crucial that sellers and manufacturers have zero knowledge of the products tested by us.

I am a seller and/or manufacturer of AAS. Can I pay you to conduct quality control for the products in my shop? Can I pay you to validate and endorse my products?

No. This is strictly a harm reduction service for consumers. It is not a quality control service for steroid manufacturers and underground labs. The program is all about protecting the health of and minimizing the risk for all the guys using underground steroid products. It is not about helping sources validate their products or sell their products in any way.

How much does it cost to test one product sample?

It is a very expensive project. The HPLC-UV and GC-MS/MS quantitative dosage testing costs approximately $200-300 USD. Microbiological testing and heavy metal testing can add another $100-200 USD to the total cost of lab testing.

Who can donate?

We welcome everyone who is interested in harm reduction for AAS users to contribute to the our lab testing program.

How do I donate?

You can currently donate with a credit card via the GoFundMe crowdfunding campaign. We also accept Bitcoin. Please contact us for further information.

Will you test a specific brand if I donate to the program?

No. All donations will be applied to the program's overall harm reduction initiatives. Contributions will be rejected if donations are contingent of the testing of specific products. Donations do not buy influence

The guiding principle for product selection will be to maximize the impact in terms of harm reduction for the largest number of consumers in the community.

Why should I donate to anaboliclab.com?

If enough people donate only $5 a month it should be enough. Some people can afford to be more generous than others but every single contribution, whatever they can afford, is important towards our larger goal.

One of the big problems facing the individual steroid user is that it's simply not financially feasible for them to test the products the use. Few people can afford to spend several hundred dollars for quantitative/microbial/heavy metal testing on a single vial of AAS much less on the multiple compounds they may have in their stack. All of this testing is very important for harm reduction. Unfortunately, given the high financial costs, most individual users go without testing and simply assume the additional risks. I hope this program changes that.

If you have 1000s of people donating as little as $5 per month - or even enough people donating $5 per year - then the cost of harm reduction for the individual AAS is much more affordable. With a sufficiently large database of testing results, there will be plenty of information to help individuals make more informed decisions about AAS use and significantly reduce the risks they assume.

What are the limitations of the testing program?

Can I trust you?

Can I trust SIMEC?

Can you tell me the specific source where the tested product(s) was obtained?

Why don't you name the website where you purchased the product samples?

How do you know the test products are legitimate products from the stated manufacturer?

How can I help promote anaboliclab.com?

 

[tubesox]

Are companies contacted when they test under par? How do they respond? What effort do they take to further the progression of quality in their product?

All in all: what companies go the furthest to insure consumer/testing satisfaction?

It's all about customer service and quality rather than excuses

 

[xcvcx]

I think we need more transparency with UGL/Sellers donating

 

[aroidthrowaway]

How do you determine which labs to test?

 

[weighted chinup]

I would include a question like:

How can I verify the authenticity of the test reports?

This one is worth mentioning because a lot of people don't realize the benefits of using a verifiable accredited lab is that you can actually determine a test was performed or not by asking / emailing the testing facility. Those who have doubts about results being too good to be true or if a lab attempts to discredit test results should be aware that they can verify results for themselves with a simple email. Speculation about authenticity is pointless when they can be verified BY INDIVIDUALS incredibly easily.

 

[mkulltra58]

These are not all FAQ questions but some questions that I have been thinking about:

Who owns AnabolicLab?

Is AnabolicLab a non-profit organization?

Where is AnabolicLab registered as a business/non-profit entity?

Is AnabolicLab overseen by any entity/board to ensure protocols are followed?

Are donor identities available for review?

Are donor identities recorded?

How are donor identities protected?

Are donations made by sources able to be identified?

Will AnabolicLab be subject to auditing to ensure donations are used properly?

How are funds managed by AnabolicLabs?

Is AnabolicLab exposed to possible criminal legal actions by authorities?

How does AnabolicLab protect itself from prosecution from authorities if criminal actions are able to be brought upon them?

Does AnabolicLab hold a financial reserve for unexpected expenses, lack of donations, legal actions, etc?

Does AnabolicLab accept donations from anybody?

Does AnabolicLab receive donations or funding from any organizations or government programs?

How can donors be sure that manufactures don't have influence on AnabolicLab testing?

Can civil legal action be brought against AnabolicLab in international courts to try to stop testing by manufacturers?

Does AnabolicLab have any professionals/consultants overseeing the organization?

How much has AnabolicLabs received in donations since it's existence? Last year? Last month?

Will domestic sources be tested if enough funding is received?

Can manufactures be recommended for testing?

What types of accreditation does Simec have?

What is the margin of error for testing?

What is the testing process used by Simec?

Does lab testing test for foreign substances, metals, chemicals?

How often will testing take place?

Will the same manufacturers be tested repeatedly?

How does this program compare to an organization like EctasyData?

Why was AnabolicLab started?

When was AnabolicLab started?


I think that is it for now. Like I said, not all necessary for FAQ but questions that could come up.

 

[OdieM]

I would include a question like:

How can I verify the authenticity of the test reports?

This one is worth mentioning because a lot of people don't realize the benefits of using a verifiable accredited lab is that you can actually determine a test was performed or not by asking / emailing the testing facility. Those who have doubts about results being too good to be true or if a lab attempts to discredit test results should be aware that they can verify results for themselves with a simple email. Speculation about authenticity is pointless when they can be verified BY INDIVIDUALS incredibly easily.

Well said. I wanted to say this but I couldn't do it nicely since I'm very skeptical. I love what Millard is trying to do here but the test's sound to good to be true. Until AnabolicLab came along we thought almost all UGLs were crap based on our blood work and that Mast basically didn't exist anymore. Now we're seeing just about everything is actually overdosed and that everyone has Mast. Some of us just need more proof. No disrespect at all. I support what we're trying to do here but this topic is actually being brought up on another board I'm on. It's just sounds to good to be true.

 

[mkulltra58]

Well said. I wanted to say this but I couldn't do it nicely since I'm very skeptical. I love what Millard is trying to do here but the test's sound to good to be true. Until AnabolicLab came along we thought almost all UGLs were crap based on our blood work and that Mast basically didn't exist anymore. Now we're seeing just about everything is actually overdosed and that everyone has Mast. Some of us just need more proof. No disrespect at all. I support what we're trying to do here but this topic is actually being brought up on another board I'm on. It's just sounds to good to be true.

This is something that @Millard Baker and I were discussing. Using these FAQ's to create posts that can be used across all forums and sites that help people understand what AnabolicLab really is and prevent misinformation from being spread. I noticed the same thing about more and more mentions of AnabolicLab across the boards.

 

[Big_paul]

I trust anaboliclab.com to provide honest test results, but how can we be sure this does not turn into a green light for large ugls? I'm not saying we need to test products from someone brewing at home, but how about mid-size ugls?

This has the potential to greatly increase the sales of any ugl we test, I just don't want to see smaller labs, who produce a quality product left out. Again I don't mean someone who homebrews.

 

[weighted chinup]

Well said. I wanted to say this but I couldn't do it nicely since I'm very skeptical. I love what Millard is trying to do here but the test's sound to good to be true. Until AnabolicLab came along we thought almost all UGLs were crap based on our blood work and that Mast basically didn't exist anymore. Now we're seeing just about everything is actually overdosed and that everyone has Mast. Some of us just need more proof. No disrespect at all. I support what we're trying to do here but this topic is actually being brought up on another board I'm on. It's just sounds to good to be true.

I remember quite a few folks thought the same thing when the first round of test results came back. I really think a lot of the surprise came from the fact that the methods we used to use to determine quality were very unreliable in the past...Labmax is incredibly unreliable and using BW to determine dosing has always been a huge headache when the idea is brought up.

The mast results were very interesting. I've never been in the market for mast but I never really believed the idea that real mast was impossible to find, I honestly think that idea came to be because of sub-par testing methods making the underground more confusing. I think a lot of this was based on labmax fails and anecdotal reports of how people felt while running it.

I do believe the results on anaboliclab are a more accurate representation of the underground than what many of us had previously believed though. It still highlights some of the same flaws and problems we've always known UGL's have, mostly that a lot of these guys don't test consistently enough (underdosed products, some overdosed, some with 0mg of advertised hormone, etc).

 

[MR10X]

One thing is there is going to be people on other forums that call bullshit on anaboliclabs testing and say their stuff was bunk because they didnt get the results they were looking for.....there are people out there that are really that stupid....

 

[mkulltra58]

One thing is there is going to be people on other forums that call bullshit on anaboliclabs testing and say their stuff was bunk because they didnt get the results they were looking for.....there are people out there that are really that stupid....

There will always be haters and skeptics. The best thing that can be done is to educate people on the program. AnabolicLabs will grow in acceptance as it grows in supporters. Through education, broadcast and transparency, more respected members of communities and boards will become supporters of AnabolicLab. As more respected members and even professionals are showing support, I believe AnabolicLab will be a go-to resource of the steroid community.

 

[Millard]

These are not all FAQ questions but some questions that I have been thinking about:

Who owns AnabolicLab?

Is AnabolicLab a non-profit organization?

Where is AnabolicLab registered as a business/non-profit entity?

Is AnabolicLab overseen by any entity/board to ensure protocols are followed?

[...]

Will AnabolicLab be subject to auditing to ensure donations are used properly?

How are funds managed by AnabolicLabs?

Is AnabolicLab exposed to possible criminal legal actions by authorities?

How does AnabolicLab protect itself from prosecution from authorities if criminal actions are able to be brought upon them?

Does AnabolicLab hold a financial reserve for unexpected expenses, lack of donations, legal actions, etc?

[...]

Can civil legal action be brought against AnabolicLab in international courts to try to stop testing by manufacturers?

Does AnabolicLab have any professionals/consultants overseeing the organization?

[...]

I think that is it for now. Like I said, not all necessary for FAQ but questions that could come up.

I like the way you think You've raised many important questions. We're currently exploring the most legally-favorable corporate structure and jurisdiction for the project going forward. The answers to some of the questions are pending this decision. The answers to other questions, especially regarding legal vulnerabilities, need to be addressed by or at least approved by consultation with legal counsel.

 

[Big_poppa_Bren]

It would be nice to know the raw suppliers to the UGLs. Then your average joe blog could order and send a sample of raw to be tested. I know there's different Batches and so on. But I think there's a lot of heat on labs underdosing and so on, when it could be the raw source at fault.... Or there is in fact underdosing. I would imagine it would be very difficult to keep track of tho.

 

[Millard]

Are companies contacted when they test under par?

This is an excellent question. Anaboliclab doesn't have an official policy on this. What are your thought? Open feedback please.

On the one hand, it seems like the most courteous thing to do. But does it amount to special treatment?

I think the most important thing is that the bad results will always be posted no matter what. The sellers will not be afforded an opportunity to suppress the results.

How do they respond? What effort do they take to further the progression of quality in their product?

All in all: what companies go the furthest to insure consumer/testing satisfaction?

It's all about customer service and quality rather than excuses

I don't think this really concerns AnabolicLab.com (except in cases of defamation). AnabolicLab.com will only provides results of testing. We'll leave it to consumers to judge the companies response and customer service.

 

[Millard]

Are donor identities available for review?

Are donor identities recorded?

How are donor identities protected?

Are donations made by sources able to be identified?

I think we need more transparency with UGL/Sellers donating

I think it is important to respect donor privacy and anonymity. However, it is a special circumstance when it comes to donations made by individuals who have a commercial interest in the products being tested. Fortunately, most vendors have publicly disclosed their donations. We've identified 3 such donors. I know 2 have disclosed on MESO and elsewhere. I'm not sure about the 3rd.

It may be best to establish an official policy that rejects anonymous donations by vendors. Another issue involves the best way to disclose this on the website. Important consideration must be given to avoiding the promotion of specific vendors in any way.

 

[Millard]

How can I verify the authenticity of the test reports?

Most definitely. I'm happy to see that a few people have contacted SIMEC. This was the primary reason for seeking out an accredited and recognized laboratory willing to stand behind its work.

 

[Millard]

Until AnabolicLab came along we thought almost all UGLs were crap based on our blood work and that Mast basically didn't exist anymore. Now we're seeing just about everything is actually overdosed and that everyone has Mast. Some of us just need more proof. No disrespect at all. I support what we're trying to do here but this topic is actually being brought up on another board I'm on. It's just sounds to good to be true.

Some people like to hold on to believing what they think they know. They refuse to assimilate new and contradictory information no matter how solid and concrete the new info may be. They would prefer to discredit the contradictory information rather than re-examine their pre-existing beliefs. There is not much we can do about this.

As far as this statement is concerned - "Now we're seeing just about everything is actually overdosed and that everyone has Mast" - I've also seen the same sentiment on other forums as well. It is a simplistic and blatantly inaccurate assertion used to discredit AnabolicLab.

(1) Anaboliclab.com only tested 11 samples. This doesn't really say much about the overall market. AnabolicLab.com has not made this claim. So for people to attempt to discredit the program based on this claim is dishonest.

(2) People who say the AnabolicLab.com results show that "everything is overdosed" or "everyone has Mast" can't understand simple facts. Either that or they are purposely misleading with inaccurate statements in an attempt to discredit AnabolicLab.com

The truth is the AnabolicLab.com results clearly showed that MORE masteron samples were UNDERDOSED than overdosed (outside 10% label claim). 45% underdosed versus 36% overdosed. Only 18% were within 10% of label claim. 9% had no active ingredient.

 

[Millard]

Some of us just need more proof. No disrespect at all. I support what we're trying to do here but this topic is actually being brought up on another board I'm on. It's just sounds to good to be true.

I do believe the results on anaboliclab are a more accurate representation of the underground than what many of us had previously believed though. It still highlights some of the same flaws and problems we've always known UGL's have, mostly that a lot of these guys don't test consistently enough (underdosed products, some overdosed, some with 0mg of advertised hormone, etc).

I think the best way to provide "more proof" and an even more accurate representation of the underground is more and more testing. 11 lab reports about Masteron only tells us so much. 100 lab reports would tell us much more. We'll never be able to perform quality control on the underground to achieve absolute certainty. That isn't the goal of AnabolicLab.com. At best, we can provide information that can enable better decisions and minimize harm.

 

[Wunderpus]

Would it be possible to set up a voting system, to decide which labs and compounds are tested next?

For example, I would love to see some of the labs that source on other boards, such as 6 Fingers Pharma. Everyone there acts like it's all hunky dory and the products are bulletproof, seems a tad hard to believe.

Also, do you opt to not test blends such as sustanon and a "cut blend (ten, mast. and test.)" due to the costs of testing for multiple compounds? Another "rumor" on our forums is that blends are never really what they claim to be. I'd like to know if there's something to this claim.