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[Liter O' Test]

^^^^^ This ^^^^^

Once I switched to this my gains shot through the roof. I am an old school gym-bro who HAD the same old school mentality. Lift heavy, lift hard and keep the reps under12.

The knowledge and help you are getting in this thread needs to be pinned to the top of the Steroid Forum. This thread right here is what I think MESO is all about.

did you change anything else?

 

[Grey Spartan]

did you change anything else?

I did. I tracked everything I put in my mouth and made sure to get at least 1g protein per pound of body weight and adjusted the other macros to meet my goals. This obviously helped the training switch. I also think a lot of the time we just keep doing what we are comfortable with in the gym and don't switch up the training tactics (going through the motions). The thing I noticed most with the higher rep/volume training was the pump and the mind muscle connection.

 

[dinfar1337]

I did. I tracked everything I put in my mouth and made sure to get at least 1g protein per pound of body weight and adjusted the other macros to meet my goals. This obviously helped the training switch. I also think a lot of the time we just keep doing what we are comfortable with in the gym and don't switch up the training tactics (going through the motions). The thing I noticed most with the higher rep/volume training was the pump and the mind muscle connection.

it was most likely you starting to track food, mind muscle connection and pump is irrelevant for muscle growth

 

[rokkrul3r]

5x5 first
then work in the 8 rep range
then after a year you can begin to think of 15 rep range

seriously, no beginner will lift a decent amount of weight for decent hypertrophy at higher than 10 rep range

 

[Liter O' Test]

I did. I tracked everything I put in my mouth and made sure to get at least 1g protein per pound of body weight and adjusted the other macros to meet my goals. This obviously helped the training switch. I also think a lot of the time we just keep doing what we are comfortable with in the gym and don't switch up the training tactics (going through the motions). The thing I noticed most with the higher rep/volume training was the pump and the mind muscle connection.

did you increase sets as well? or lower sets?
perhaps you just didn't have the max potential for glycogen storage your muscles could hold, and the higher reps helped your body adapt.

I don't really know what I'm talking about though so I'm hoping someone can correct me.

I am really adverse to higher reps, it just seems like the first 5 or so are so easy, it just seems like a waste of energy.

I'll try it for a week at least I guess.

were you still getting sore going heavy after all those years?

 

[dinfar1337]

did you increase sets as well? or lower sets?
perhaps you just didn't have the max potential for glycogen storage your muscles could hold, and the higher reps helped your body adapt.

I don't really know what I'm talking about though so I'm hoping someone can correct me.

I am really adverse to higher reps, it just seems like the first 5 or so are so easy, it just seems like a waste of energy.

I'll try it for a week at least I guess.

were you still getting sore going heavy after all those years?

Lower reps higher intensisity is better on low carbs than higher reps. Higher reps create more fatigue and more risk for not hitting failure and more risk of injury. Anyone willingly doing high reps is cheating themself. Especially on steriods you get stronger constanstly without being able to feel much difference, you just have to adapt some ego and go higher in weight

 

[Astartes]

Next time you are on cycle try three weeks of 10-15 reps for some exercises and 15-20 for heavy compound leg exercises like leg press and see what happens. Of course, progressive overload, keep pushing that weight heavier once you hit your target reps, keep adding reps when you can't add weight, and so on and so forth.

You might find it works for you. If not, you can always start the fourth week with a slightly heavier weight to get you down under 12 reps again. At least you will know.

You might find that you grow quickly just because it is so different from how you have done training for your entire life. It will be like a brand new stimulus for your body. It is a very uncomfortable stimulus, though. Fair warning. Reps 17, 18, and 19 on the leg press are very uncomfortable if you are using heavy weight. And you really, really, won't want to do the next set. Push through. You may find you love what you see in the mirror a month later.

I knew I liked you Mal…..

 

[Grey Spartan]

did you increase sets as well? or lower sets?
perhaps you just didn't have the max potential for glycogen storage your muscles could hold, and the higher reps helped your body adapt.

I don't really know what I'm talking about though so I'm hoping someone can correct me.

I am really adverse to higher reps, it just seems like the first 5 or so are so easy, it just seems like a waste of energy.

I'll try it for a week at least I guess.

were you still getting sore going heavy after all those years?

I was still getting sore.

 

[Grey Spartan]

it was most likely you starting to track food, mind muscle connection and pump is irrelevant for muscle growth

So you are saying delivering more blood to the muscle is "irrelevant" for muscle growth?

 

[dinfar1337]

So you are saying delivering more blood to the muscle is "irrelevant" for muscle growth?

Yes, it was used to believe the primary growth was from muscle hypertrophy and the secondary was pumps. But pumps have nothing to do with muscle hypertrophy and pumps have been proven to do nothing for muscle growth. Its just more muscle damage will absorb water for recovery making your muscles swelled. This of course not permanent size and will not allow you to move more weight. For muscle growth you shouldnt care about a pump at all

 

[Grey Spartan]

Yes, it was used to believe the primary growth was from muscle hypertrophy and the secondary was pumps. But pumps have nothing to do with muscle hypertrophy and pumps have been proven to do nothing for muscle growth. Its just more muscle damage will absorb water for recovery making your muscles swelled. This of course not permanent size and will not allow you to move more weight. For muscle growth you shouldnt care about a pump at all

Wrong.

Not to sure if your not understanding what blood does in the body or just not grasping what a pump is. Give this a read.

The Beginner's Guide to Blood Flow Restriction Training (BFR)

Blood Flow Restriction (BFR) Training is a strange muscle-building technique that occasionally makes its way into the mainstream. Peter Attia recommends it. NBA and NFL players use it. And you’ll see top bodybuilders and powerlifters swearing by it, too. When you restrict blood flow, blood can...

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