Need help

Push day
Cable decline press 3x20reps
Cable incline press 3x20reps
Single arm cable crossover 2x20reps
Shoulder flies 2xfailer (dropset) 35lds 25lds 15lds
Face pulls 2xfailer


Start with flat bench with a barbell or flat bench with dumb bells.
Then an incline press, again, with a barbell, not with some cable.
Do flies on a good machine that keeps pressure on your pectoral muscle no matter where you are in the rep range, or, if that is not available, then with dumb bells.
Rear flies on a good machine that keeps pressure on your rear delt muscle no matter where you are in the rep range, or, if that is not available, then with dumb bells while facing forward on an incline bench. Light weight and full range of motion (the rear delt is a tiny muscle, so don't try to use 50 pound dumb bells or pick a heavy weight on the machine. Pick the appropriate weight so you can focus on your rear delt and not let your traps or rhomboids take over)
Lateral raises with dumb bells or upright rows with a barbell (no cables)
Overhead press with a barbell
Direct triceps work. Close grip bench, skull crushers - pick one. Then you can finally use a cable (LOL) to do a V grip attachment pushdown. Lock your shoulders and elbows in position and stretch high and push down in control, stretch again in control, and push down, and so on.



Pull day
Cable pulldown wide grip 2x20reps
Single cable pulldown (slow and controlled) 3x20reps
Barbell bent over 2x10-20
Shrugs 2x30


Start with barbell bent over rows. Get a full range of motion. Work as heavy as you can while still controlling the weight and getting a full range of motion. Work in the 8-12 rep range. Use a good belt and wrist straps.
Deadlifts. With a bar bell (just in case you were going to try cable deadlifts)
Do pull-ups if you can. If you can't, then find a machine and work up on your strength for this movement until you can.
Here you can add a cable row. Try one narrow and low and one wide grip and high.
Shrugs - with a bar bell, not a cable. Lower the rep range, 8-15.
Now hit your biceps. Bar bell, not cables. Barbell curls.
Then pick up one dumb bell, and use an incline bench almost upright, and use it like a preacher curl, one arm at a time.
Now you can add some sort of machine bicep curl if you have anything left.
Consider adding in hammer curls.





Leg day
Hack squad 3x20-30
Leg extensions 3x10-20
Leg curls 3x10-20
Calf raises 3x15-30


Do squats. With a barbell. Work in the range of 8-20 reps.
Sometimes do a leg press. Work in the same rep range as squats.
Then leg ext
Leg curls
Consider adding stiff leg dead for hamstrings
Do your calf raises, add a seated calf raise, too

Hack squats are difficult to do correctly and take full advantage of the machine. Maybe consider it when you are more advanced. You are probably using too heavy of a weight and not enough range of motion and your feet are probably too high on the platform. I hesitate to recommend this as the only compound exercise for legs, which is how you are using it.
 
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I have a hard time getting to the cable machines in my gym for the very few exercises for which I use cables. The reason is that everybody loves to use the cables, especially the young guys.

Guess what?

They are not developed. Some of them have been working out for some time but they still lack muscular development.

I have notices an inverse correlation between the amount of time one devotes to cable machines and the results (muscular development).

Use that observation from an experienced eye however you wish. It is not a real, scientific study. It is just an anecdote from an old guy who has been working out a long time watching young folks use cables for a bunch of their workout but not getting much out of it in terms of reaching their physique goals.
 
I really don’t know what else to do, I just want to get huge. I got the stupid goal where I want to be 230 lean

Then lift heavy weights.

Than means barbells and dumb bells, for the most part.

I have never seen anybody grow to 230 and lean when they are using cables for exercises for which they could be using a barbell or dumb bells or even a good machine like a pec deck.
 
anyways, before any of you say it, I know I’m an idiot who potentially has a death wish but this ambition of mine is literally the only thing I’ve got going for me in life so any advice would greatly be appreciated

A brief word of advice from an old man - this stuck out to me and pricked my heart with sadness.

This part of your post is far more important than your physique goals or anything else in your post. Reconnect with family and friends. Those relationships with your people are important. Spend time with them. Develop your career goals - or get a goal and get to work on it as a mission you must accomplish. Get involved in your church, or go to one if you do not have one. Look out for opportunities to produce, provide, and protect.

Please re-read this post a couple of times and spend some time thinking about the suggestions herein.

Life does not just happen to you. You make it. Perhaps choose some different paths than the ones you have been treading if you do not like where they are taking you.
 
Bro get a coach and stop doing 20 reps try to do 6 to 10 reps with heavy weight that's it
I don't mean to be contrarian, but I have experienced some good results from time to time doing higher reps in the 15-20 range on compound leg exercises, e.g., squat and leg press.

These are to failure or damn close, and they are very uncomfortable. It sucks to do them, especially the last few reps. Doing it this way always makes me look forward to working in the 8-12 rep range again, but I cannot deny that I notice more difference in my legs when I am working in those higher rep ranges, especially on leg press (full range of motion). It might not hurt for him to experiment with different rep ranges and see what works.

Even after finding a rep range that works, it does not hurt to vary the rep range after a few weeks or couple of months.


 
I don't mean to be contrarian, but I have experienced some good results from time to time doing higher reps in the 15-20 range on compound leg exercises, e.g., squat and leg press.

These are to failure or damn close, and they are very uncomfortable. It sucks to do them, especially the last few reps. Doing it this way always makes me look forward to working in the 8-12 rep range again, but I cannot deny that I notice more difference in my legs when I am working in those higher rep ranges, especially on leg press (full range of motion). It might not hurt for him to experiment with different rep ranges and see what works.

Even after finding a rep range that works, it does not hurt to vary the rep range after a few weeks or couple of months.


Because it's a time for high volume and a time for high intensity,
Ofc if you do 100 squats you feel your legs but you need weight too for evolving the muscles, I don't know anyone that evolve with high reps low weight at a moment they need to put some weight for growing,

It's only one of the various reason,
If you do the same thing always and don't get results it's time for some routine change,
 
I am not saying "low weight."

What I am talking about, for example, is being on the leg press with as many plates as I can push for 15 reps and then increasing the reps until I can hit 20, and then increasing the weight again.

Yes, that will be a lower weight than what I could push, for example, for 8 reps.

But it is not a low weight by any measure whatsoever.

I am not saying this is best. Judging by your avatar you don't need any advice from me. All I am saying to the OP is "try it." I have noticed more growth resulting when I am in that rep range than in a lower rep range. That is all. Your results may vary. Past performance is no guarantee of future results. Model is a paid actor and not an actual user of malfeasance's higher rep range.
 
I have a hard time getting to the cable machines in my gym for the very few exercises for which I use cables. The reason is that everybody loves to use the cables, especially the young guys.

Guess what?

They are not developed. Some of them have been working out for some time but they still lack muscular development.

I have notices an inverse correlation between the amount of time one devotes to cable machines and the results (muscular development).

Use that observation from an experienced eye however you wish. It is not a real, scientific study. It is just an anecdote from an old guy who has been working out a long time watching young folks use cables for a bunch of their workout but not getting much out of it in terms of reaching their physique goals.
i kinda disagree to some point about the compounds. i think compounds are great for anything but the chest. only compound for chest i've found good for muscle growth is incline smith machine bench. otherwise almost all other chest presses/db presses, pec deck is superior. Especially working in that high rep zone you guys will tire out your shoulders/triceps before your chests ever hit failure with bench press. ig the same can be said for back but you build the strength in your forearms/biceps with lighter weight and are able to hit failure faster, but you're just making it a longer process for no reason. squats 100 sets for 100 reps do whatever you want squats is king.
and cables isnt the enemy, alot of enhanced people ive watched do only some kind of machine and then cables for upper body muscles.
 
I don't mean to be contrarian, but I have experienced some good results from time to time doing higher reps in the 15-20 range on compound leg exercises, e.g., squat and leg press.

These are to failure or damn close, and they are very uncomfortable. It sucks to do them, especially the last few reps. Doing it this way always makes me look forward to working in the 8-12 rep range again, but I cannot deny that I notice more difference in my legs when I am working in those higher rep ranges, especially on leg press (full range of motion). It might not hurt for him to experiment with different rep ranges and see what works.

Even after finding a rep range that works, it does not hurt to vary the rep range after a few weeks or couple of months.


in my own experience, me being able to go above 9 reps means i can go atleast 10kg heavier with 6-8 rep range. i just cant hit failure on anything above 9 reps. i do hit a pump which is completely irrelevant for muscle growth
 
only compound for chest i've found good for muscle growth is incline smith machine bench. otherwise almost all other chest presses/db presses, pec deck is superior.
Go up the thread and look at push day and my recommendations for him and see how far off we are from each other - maybe not as much as you think.
 
Maybe make your recommendations for how to modify his workout from what he posted on page 1, so he can review them. It does not hurt to have more than one input.

Astartes and I both provided detailed suggestions to him. Maybe a third workout plan would be helpful for him, as well. He could try one after the other and see what works for him.
 
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for whatever reason it will not allow me to post pictures on here I’ve tried multiple times I don’t know but OK. Note that the workouts very on what part of the muscle group I want to hit but here lately this has been my routine for the past couple months. I’m trying something a little different where I’m hitting a max of 20 reps before going up in weight.
Pull day
Cable decline press 3x20reps
Cable incline press 3x20reps
Single arm cable crossover 2x20reps
Shoulder flies 2xfailer (dropset) 35lds 25lds 15lds
Face pulls 2xfailer

Push day
Cable pulldown wide grip 2x20reps
Single cable pulldown (slow and controlled) 3x20reps
Barbell bent over 2x10-20
Shrugs 2x30

Leg day
Hack squad 3x20-30
Leg extensions 3x10-20
Leg curls 3x10-20
Calf raises 3x15-30

Repeat

Current diet
Meal1 : 250 g egg whites 10 ounces shredded potato 1 tablespoon avocado oil

Meal2: 4 ounces 93 lean ground beef 4 ounces 99 lean turkey 3 ounces poblano pepper 2 ounces onion 6 ounces rice 1 tablespoon olive oil

Meal3: 8 ounce sirloin, steak, fat trimmed 6 ounces rice

Meal4: two cans of tuna, 6 ounces of rice

Meal 5: 8 ounces chicken breast tenderloin 6 ounces rice 1/2 tablespoon olive oil

Meal 6: 10 ounces shrimp 6 ounces rice half tablespoon olive oil

Protein bar

I switch it up a little bit, but that’s what I’ve been doing in the past three weeks.

I’m 205 pounds give or take 5 foot nine. 4 months ago I was 185 on my cut before bulking. And now 4 months into the bulk I am 205 pounds but i’ve seemed to gain mostly fat. And strength has gone up but I’m fairly certain that was from the first three weeks of cycle being on super injectables

Now that I think about it, I guess I could’ve just shortened this entire question by asking what my next cycle should be. My current thoughts are 500 mg of testosterone c, 200 mg maston, 3 to 4 iu growth hormone, 200+ milligrams superdrol and may add 100-200mg tren.

Pull day
db incline press/machine press 2x6-10 reps
pec deck 2x6-10 reps. here a variety of reps, anything between 5-15 reps is fine as long as you feel it in your chest and you're able to keep the form with thinking of bringing your biceps together towards eachother instead of just moving alot of weight.
lateral raises machine/db/cables 2x6-12 reps. same principle above, as long as you feel your shoulders are being cooked.
tricep pushdowns 1x6-9 reps.
tricep single arm pushdowns 1x6-15 reps

Push day
pulldown wide grip 2x6-9 reps focus on bringing the weight down with your elbows and not your biceps.
Barbell bent over 2x6-9 reps. form is whatever, dorian yates style or proper form is okay as long as you're not bending your lower back and using your core you probably wont hurt yourself going heavy.
kelso smith machine shrugs 2x6-9 reps
db curls/cable curls/preacher curls/bb curls 1x6-9 reps
hammer curl/behind back curl focused variant or another dumb bell curl whatever you prefer for 1x6-9 reps

Leg day 1:
Hack squats 2x5-10 reps
Leg extensions 2x6-12 reps
calves 2x6-15 reps
abs 2x6-15 reps

leg day 2 next week ofc:
rdls/good mornings/any hip hinge movement 2x6-12 reps
leg curls seated/sitting 2x6-12 reps
calves 2x6-15 reps
abs 2x6-15 reps

i split my leg days up but you can combine them if you want, some people like samson dauda which i looked into splits days into compound/isolation work for leg days. while others do 2-3 movements for quads/hamstrings and do 1 movement for the other so as to focus on weak points.

for the first week since you're eating and gaining fat with a very high protein intake, and the anabolics are high and you're still not gaining strength. i would either assume you relapsed into a cycle too fast without doing bloods to check if it was okay to jump into another one, or you're overly fatigued and need a deload. i usually get away with doing 1 week of 2-3 days of training only so as i feel like im maintaining even tho its not required and jump back in and watch the gains go up. also you can do higher volume work but i would recommend working in this volume range so as to learn fatigue management. rest days/working days/cardio days are taken to your liking whenever you feel tired or like you're not moving up in strength. assuming you're doing everything else right with the helps of anabolics and high intensisity training your strength should go up signifinicatly from cycle to cycle when on anabolics like tren.
 
Hey, thanks man I appreciate your constructive criticism. i’ve only recently started this workout routine over the past couple months in an attempt to achieve isolation within my chest and back movements based on my pumps. I am very shoulder dominant on all my chest movements making it very difficult to get a solid pump in my chest with what I would like to think is good form but again I have no one telling me otherwise. Ive tried fine-tuning my form, from elbow being flared out to elbows being brought in, but it seems to still target shoulders. A couple months prior I was doing more compound movements like barbell bench press, dumbbell bench press, Smith machine bench press but drop them to save my shoulders and isolate chest. But I am all for switching it up and going back to adding more compound movements on the beginning of my lifts. If you have a specific routine, I will give it a shot.

I’ve heard thyroid issues can be genetic which it does run in my family multiple people in my family have issues with their thyroids which is why I did a thyroid function blood test and came back within normal range. Is there a more in-depth thyroid bloodwork panel I could take?

sleep: mind you I do get between 6 to 8 hours of sleep a day with a 1-2 hour nap after work. but it is garbage sleep. Wake up, feeling tired every day. Only once every couple of months or so I have what feels like the best sleep of my life. But I do snore so I’m going to look into getting CPAP and see if that helps.

The part you said about not have to actually take to absolute failure Makes me think I may be over pushing as well, causing more nervous system damage than anything, but I’m not sure.. to put it simple I trained to strain. I go to absolute failure on every set,
 
Hey, thanks man I appreciate your constructive criticism. i’ve only recently started this workout routine over the past couple months in an attempt to achieve isolation within my chest and back movements based on my pumps. I am very shoulder dominant on all my chest movements making it very difficult to get a solid pump in my chest with what I would like to think is good form but again I have no one telling me otherwise. Ive tried fine-tuning my form, from elbow being flared out to elbows being brought in, but it seems to still target shoulders. A couple months prior I was doing more compound movements like barbell bench press, dumbbell bench press, Smith machine bench press but drop them to save my shoulders and isolate chest. But I am all for switching it up and going back to adding more compound movements on the beginning of my lifts. If you have a specific routine, I will give it a shot.

I’ve heard thyroid issues can be genetic which it does run in my family multiple people in my family have issues with their thyroids which is why I did a thyroid function blood test and came back within normal range. Is there a more in-depth thyroid bloodwork panel I could take?

sleep: mind you I do get between 6 to 8 hours of sleep a day with a 1-2 hour nap after work. but it is garbage sleep. Wake up, feeling tired every day. Only once every couple of months or so I have what feels like the best sleep of my life. But I do snore so I’m going to look into getting CPAP and see if that helps.

The part you said about not have to actually take to absolute failure Makes me think I may be over pushing as well, causing more nervous system damage than anything, but I’m not sure.. to put it simple I trained to strain. I go to absolute failure on every set,
Unless you have a proper training partner/spotter you will never attain true failure. Furthermore, even intermediate lifters never achieve true failure and for those who have they can only do it in certain exercises.

I am not saying you’re not lifting to failure, I am just highlighting that sometimes we don’t realize that what we thought is failure isn’t.
 
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