Feedback on first cycle

[Skts]

I have been lifting for about 9-10 years now mostly consistent ( except a few weeks here and there for vacation) and a few months break due to the gym situation during Covid.

My first cycle will be very simple planning on 500mg Test E weekly for 15 weeks, Aromasin as an AI( on hand incase sides appear) and nolva for PCT( 8 weeks 10mg ED) . I decided on Pareto UGL ( let me know if it is a safe UGL)
I am open to any feedback in regards to this cycle, should I lower to 12 weeks ? I would like to be as safe as possible in regards to having my natural test levels back up after the cycle as I am not planning on cycling again within at least a year probably.

I am 28 years old, 5’’6, 161 lbs and about 12-14% body fat right now.
My current pre-cycle blood test are:

Testosterone total: 19.9 nmol (Couldnt get a test for free test sadly)
FSH 4.5 UI/L
LH 5.2 UI/L
Oestradiol 74 pmol/L

LDH 153
AST 22
ALT 28
GGT 20
HDL-Cholesterol 1.25
LDL-Cholesterol 3.04
Non-HDL-C 3.41

 

[Leg_locker]

I personally think that the 500 test beginner cycle is outdated and you don't want to cycle again I'd go with something around 300-350mg/week to start to see how your body responds.
Recovery should be pretty much the same between 12-15 weeks so feel free to go for 15 weeks but at minimum I would run 40/40/20/20 nolva formur pct every pct iv ever done was 40/40/20/20 50/50/25/25 nolva/clomid. Never heard of 10mg for 8 weeks before.

 

[Skts]

I personally think that the 500 test beginner cycle is outdated and you don't want to cycle again I'd go with something around 300-350mg/week to start to see how your body responds.
Recovery should be pretty much the same between 12-15 weeks so feel free to go for 15 weeks but at minimum I would run 40/40/20/20 nolva formur pct every pct iv ever done was 40/40/20/20 50/50/25/25 nolva/clomid. Never heard of 10mg for 8 weeks before.

Thanks for giving some feedback, so you would PCT with a combination of both Nolva & Clomid for 4 weeks? How long after the last Test injection do you start ?

 

[T&H]

Thanks for giving some feedback, so you would PCT with a combination of both Nolva & Clomid for 4 weeks? How long after the last Test injection do you start ?

Yes and about 3 weeks I believe. Get pharma clomid and nolva, you can get it international from a few sources here.

 

[Skts]

Yes and about 3 weeks I believe. Get pharma clomid and nolva, you can get it international from a few sources here.

A good friend of mine who’s been cycling for some time suggested to start the PCT after 4 weeks from the last injection and running 50mg Clomid ED for 30 days and 20mg Nolva ED for 30 days. What do you think of this ?

Also is SYN pharma for Nolva/Clomid recommended or you advice I look for another source ?

 

[T&H]

A good friend of mine who’s been cycling for some time suggested to start the PCT after 4 weeks from the last injection and running 50mg Clomid ED for 30 days and 20mg Nolva ED for 30 days. What do you think of this ?

Also is SYN pharma for Nolva/Clomid recommended or you advice I look for another source ?

Thought I read 3 weeks, wouldn't hurt at week 3 anyway. Syn is Canadian and has a thread here. I'm from the USA and know nothing about them.

 

[Leg_locker]

A good friend of mine who’s been cycling for some time suggested to start the PCT after 4 weeks from the last injection and running 50mg Clomid ED for 30 days and 20mg Nolva ED for 30 days. What do you think of this ?

Also is SYN pharma for Nolva/Clomid recommended or you advice I look for another source ?

That will work especially after a short cycle but some ppl don't tolerate clomid well so be aware of that.
You won't have any problems with the brands you've mentioned iv used them both before.
Be sure to pin minimum of twice a week (more is better) get bloodwork done mid cycle eat lots and have fun good luck!

 

[Rido]

I personally think that the 500 test beginner cycle is outdated and you don't want to cycle again I'd go with something around 300-350mg/week to start to see how your body responds.
Recovery should be pretty much the same between 12-15 weeks so feel free to go for 15 weeks but at minimum I would run 40/40/20/20 nolva formur pct every pct iv ever done was 40/40/20/20 50/50/25/25 nolva/clomid. Never heard of 10mg for 8 weeks before.

Agreed for the dosing

I do like the idea of adding a mild oral like anavar for the last 4-6 weeks for a cycle like this. It gives you enough time to get some additional anabolic benefit, experience.


If it was 500, I would say don't add shit. Lol

 

[Skts]

Am delaying my natural Test recovery by a big margin by not running HCG for my first 500mg Test E cycle ? or worse am I even potentially risking becoming long term infertile by not running it ? I just wanted to limit the pinning to one compound since it will be my first but I keep getting conflicting answers on the importance of HCG for a first cycle.

 

[Leg_locker]

Personally I'd just save it for your pct if you're going to buy it anyways. It may skyrocket your e2 then you'll have more side effects to deal with and you won't be able to tell if it's the hcg or the test.
Get a fertility test done before you cycle if it's a huge concern you may be infertile right now then blame the AAS.. no way to know unless you get it tested.
Everyones body responds differently but being your first cycle I highly doubt you'll have trouble recovering.
Also why are you so set on 500? You might think it's going to be your only cycle but they are addictive as hell so why not take a more long term approach to it?

 

[cdoubleu]

You have received some good advice all around.

I might just encourage you to do some research around hcg timing if you use it. There is a lot good info on this forum, and others, about protocols you can use.

Whether you were to use it during or after a cycle; general consensus is, whichever protocol is used, HCG use ceases for a period of time before starting your serms for PCT.

Sounds like recovery is important to you. I’d think hcg would be a good addition.

 

[baked_cake]

My suggestion from personal research and some (not much) experience:

Start at 300mg/week and run a longer cycle, or bump up to 500mg later. A steady rise vs a giant spike or drop will prevent sides and eliminate the need for an aromatase inhibitor.

Include 500-750iu hcg/week to keep your balls producing test, this is supposed to make your PCT much easier because they don't have to be restarted.

300mg test + 750iu hcg = maybe 400mg total test?

Wait 4-5 half lives from your last injection before starting PCT, you should also stop taking the hcg and wait 5 half lives before starting PCT as it suppresses parts of your hpta system.

I think for PCT 10mg nolva every day and/or 25mg clomid every day is good.

"The lowest effective dose to achieve your goals."

Sources:
Test dosage and timing: more plates more dates youtube videos

hcg dosage and timing:
PCT dosage and timing:

thecycle/pct - steroids

www.reddit.com

 

[Skts]

Thank you all for these amazing replies and pieces of advice.
The 500mg Test E per week came from the Steroids wiki on Reddit which contained lots of useful information for first time users.
In regards to my fertility worries I do know I am fertile as I knocked up two of my exes before lol (blame drunk me for removing the condoms).
I wanted to limit the compounds as I have very little experience into this and was worrying about E2 spikes as well.
From all the information I gathered around it seems that being a healthy male in my late twenties, I should recover fine with a proper PCT and not necessarily need HCG even though it might speed up recovery.
My current PCT plan is 20/20/10/10/10/10 and keep Aromasin on hand in case E2 sides.
Wish me luck I should be starting this cycle this upcoming Sunday morning, will be pinning on that day and Wednesday evenings from then.

 

[cdoubleu]

Good luck with your cycle. Will be interesting to see how your moderate approach to pct works out.