Feeling lethargic on Tren A?

[insertnamehere]

I only checked my thyroid my first tren run but back then my n=1 experiment showed no significant changes for TSH, T4 and T3.

Thats good to know.

I've experienced the symptoms of high TSH, which was confirmed through blood tests, and its just like what I've felt when running tren, except it goes away after a couple of days. My blood pressure was fine during that time too.

Not sure what it is about tren that can cause fatigue but it seems to be temporary.

 

[bickel29]

Like Brut said, but the cuff at the drug store.

Also, if your arms are 17.5" or under, most drug stores or grocery/drug combos have one of those sit down stations with the arm cuff. They are not always the most accurate readings, but they are def close enough to where they would show you if you were elevated well out of range. If you have to force your arm into the cuff, then don't bother.

Now, what could you tell your doc? Keep it simple. Just tell them you are having high blood pressure symptoms, and you want it checked. That's all the reason you need.

What symptoms would you feel if it were really out of range? Don't try to guage by symptoms. You need to get your BP checked one way or another. Symptoms vary from person to person and are inconclusive.

 

[brutus79]

Op- you seemed to overlook my blood sugar question too. Random lethargy is felt by undiagnosed diabetics frequently. Buy a meter- very cheap as well.

 

[Wunderpus]

Like Brut said, but the cuff at the drug store.

Also, if your arms are 17.5" or under, most drug stores or grocery/drug combos have one of those sit down stations with the arm cuff. They are not always the most accurate readings, but they are def close enough to where they would show you if you were elevated well out of range. If you have to force your arm into the cuff, then don't bother.

Now, what could you tell your doc? Keep it simple. Just tell them you are having high blood pressure symptoms, and you want it checked. That's all the reason you need.

What symptoms would you feel if it were really out of range? Don't try to guage by symptoms. You need to get your BP checked one way or another. Symptoms vary from person to person and are inconclusive.

Dude, this reminds me of a hilarious story, that's relatively unrelated LOL.

When the ebola scare was going on, I was on cycle with tren and Dbol (hello elevated BP).
I broke my nose doing some, um, amateur construction on my house. Went to the ER (my girl MADE me, nurse chicks are overprotective) and in triage they took my BP. Apparently I was running hot too, probably the T3 plus it being really hot in the house and BP was high from the pain, drugs and nervousness. Nurse says "Have you been in contact recently with anyone who has Ebola, or has been to West Africa?" I said "I don't know, maybe?"

Apparently that's a terrible thing to say. Full meltdown, docs coming in, more tests... LOL. I was just being honest, I didn't know if the dude next to me at the grocery had been to Africa recently... live and learn. I can assure you my treatment was anything less than pleasant after that, they made me wait 4 hours before seeing the doc regarding my nose.

 

[Wunderpus]

Op- you seemed to overlook my blood sugar question too. Random lethargy is felt by undiagnosed diabetics frequently. Buy a meter- very cheap as well.

Where's Sworder when you give good advice like this? Not running his mouth, I see.

Maybe he's busy being Sworded on his new meet from Grindr?

 

[brutus79]

Where's Sworder when you give good advice like this? Not running his mouth, I see.

Maybe he's busy being Sworded on his new meet from Grindr?

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth- if prayer works he got in a head-on collision with a dump druck.

 

[Wunderpus]

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth- if prayer works he got in a head-on collision with a dump druck.

I am so disappointed in your desire for his method of death. I was expecting something far more creative and sadistic from you

More likely than not he will die in some bestiality related incident. I wish we knew his real name so we could search the obituaries everyday.

 

[Maven3]

quick update. After feeling generally lousy on a high tren low test dose for 5 days I changed it around. So now I am running test at 80 and tren at 50. 2 days into this new protocol Im feeling much, much better already. So for whatever reason, my body does not like having more tren than test. I have more energy and dont have the crappy tired, achy feeling I was getting on high tren low test. Live and learn.

 

[Dwizzle]

Albuterol has the ability to increase endurance and strength besides reducing LDL (low-density lipoprotein, bad cholesterol), increasing HDL (high-density lipoprotein, good cholesterol), and reducing total cholesterol.

Perhaps albuterol would be good to run with these cycles that are really hard on your cholesterol...

I haven't seen any instances of people running it during a cycle on here, but in theory it seems like it may be a good idea, especially if you are cutting...

Perhaps someone that has more experience could chime in

 

[super8]

I'm a few weeks in on my first tren a run as well. I was doing 50mg per day but changed it to 100 mg eod just to change it up. I had extremely terrible lethargy, worst I've ever had. I don't think changing it to eod really helped either, I think I'm just coping with it now. I home brewed my own component TH so I know it's gtg. What I've noticed is I'm completely exhausted, can sleep all night like a baby, breathing can be tough but overall my cardio is still ok, sweating LESS (am also on 500mg test e and 600mg EQ, started the tren in middle of cycle), libido is insane, and I've been threatened to be sent home from work a handful of times now because I have no patience and want to kill everyone that annoys me. But man, this lethargy is awful. I have to force myself to do anything including go to the gym. Starting tomorrow I'm going to check my BP and blood sugar throughout the day. I really don't think my BP is high though, I can normally tell.

 

[Ngtmarpete]

Yeh i realize its fairly high for a first run. Reason being Im running a shorter cycle so I feel its necessary to keep the dose high. Also trying out the high tren low test style of cycle, which supposedly keeps most of the sides manageable. Well see about that I guess.

Its just strange after hearing about all the insomnia horror storries, then I find I just want to sleep all day.

Thanks for input though glad im not the only one who gets lethargic from it.

On Tren I am lethargic from the get-go, but when I hit the pillow, unless I'm taking a sleep aid or a hit , I could lay there for hours even thought I am extremely tired!

 

[bickel29]

quick update. After feeling generally lousy on a high tren low test dose for 5 days I changed it around. So now I am running test at 80 and tren at 50. 2 days into this new protocol Im feeling much, much better already. So for whatever reason, my body does not like having more tren than test. I have more energy and dont have the crappy tired, achy feeling I was getting on high tren low test. Live and learn.

Great news, Maven! Each one of us handles/tolerates these compounds differently, and that's why it's important to listen to your body and be flexible as you progress through your cycle. Like I said earlier in the thread, some folks do great on low test/high tren, others need to run higher test than tren to make that combo (test and tren) work for them. Glad you're feeling better!

I'm a few weeks in on my first tren a run as well. I was doing 50mg per day but changed it to 100 mg eod just to change it up. I had extremely terrible lethargy, worst I've ever had. I don't think changing it to eod really helped either, I think I'm just coping with it now. I home brewed my own component TH so I know it's gtg. What I've noticed is I'm completely exhausted, can sleep all night like a baby, breathing can be tough but overall my cardio is still ok, sweating LESS (am also on 500mg test e and 600mg EQ, started the tren in middle of cycle), libido is insane, and I've been threatened to be sent home from work a handful of times now because I have no patience and want to kill everyone that annoys me. But man, this lethargy is awful. I have to force myself to do anything including go to the gym. Starting tomorrow I'm going to check my BP and blood sugar throughout the day. I really don't think my BP is high though, I can normally tell.

Super8 - couple of things. Tren sides are usually lessened by running it ED rather than EOD. Something to keep in mind, even though you feel like crap either way, but the blood levels are more stable pinning ED (less ups and downs).

You might not wanna hear it, but it sounds like maybe tren just isn't for you. Unlike Maven above, maybe lower test than tren may work better for you? Some guys get better results on tren with lower test than tren.

Either way, you need to get this tren ship turned in the right direction, or you need to hop off the boat! It is obviously disruptive to your life. Assuming you are not exaggerating, it is having way too much of a negative impact on your life. It's affecting your job? Whoa! You don't feel like doing anything, including working out?

¡No bueno!

 

[super8]

Great news, Maven! Each one of us handles/tolerates these compounds differently, and that's why it's important to listen to your body and be flexible as you progress through your cycle. Like I said earlier in the thread, some folks do great on low test/high tren, others need to run higher test than tren to make that combo (test and tren) work for them. Glad you're feeling better!



Super8 - couple of things. Tren sides are usually lessened by running it ED rather than EOD. Something to keep in mind, even though you feel like crap either way, but the blood levels are more stable pinning ED (less ups and downs).

You might not wanna hear it, but it sounds like maybe tren just isn't for you. Unlike Maven above, maybe lower test than tren may work better for you? Some guys get better results on tren with lower test than tren.

Either way, you need to get this tren ship turned in the right direction, or you need to hop off the boat! It is obviously disruptive to your life. Assuming you are not exaggerating, it is having way too much of a negative impact on your life. It's affecting your job? Whoa! You don't feel like doing anything, including working out?

¡No bueno!

I changed to eod based off reading that tren affects everyone different and a few people even mentioned that they had less sides on eod for some reason. I figured I'd try it. I'll switch back to ED. Well, I checked my BP and sugar today. I have the stuff at home to do it but have been neglecting to do so lately. I tell you what, I'll never go off of "feel" for blood pressure again. I just did 5 readings in a row and all are around 180/100. Yikes. That's probably my lethargy right there... What a dumbfuck. Need to start being more careful. Have cialis on hand along with all the natural BP stuff like hawthorn, fish oil etc. I'll see what I can do with it for now but I'll be ordering some meds too.

 

[insertnamehere]

quick update. After feeling generally lousy on a high tren low test dose for 5 days I changed it around. So now I am running test at 80 and tren at 50. 2 days into this new protocol Im feeling much, much better already. So for whatever reason, my body does not like having more tren than test. I have more energy and dont have the crappy tired, achy feeling I was getting on high tren low test. Live and learn.

Aside from this, hows the cycle going? Update your log.

 

[super8]

Well, I checked my BP and sugar today. I have the stuff at home to do it but have been neglecting to do so lately. I tell you what, I'll never go off of "feel" for blood pressure again. I just did 5 readings in a row and all are around 180/100. Yikes. That's probably my lethargy right there... What a dumbfuck. Need to start being more careful. Have cialis on hand along with all the natural BP stuff like hawthorn, fish oil etc. I'll see what I can do with it for now but I'll be ordering some meds too.

Just following up on this. Within an hour of this post I had my hands on some Lisinopril. I took 10mg's and I also took some hawthorn berry, fish oil, tiny dose of cialis (~ 5mg), and garlic. Just took my BP again. I will continue the natural sups and hopefully get away with only 5mg per day of Lisinopril while on tren. I feel 1000 times better now that my BP is decent.