Fellas... Cruise after Deca question.

[EQ Kimball]

Hey fellas,
Been receiving some great advice from the members here for months and wanted to see what the take is on this one: I have 8 more weeks of 625mg deca/500Mg Mast E/1g Test E ...
I know general consensus is to run test for a few weeks after stopping deca to counteract the massive shutdown it causes.

The question is if I'm going down to a cruise dose of test to bridge (for about 8 weeks) to my next blast - should I jump down to the cruise dose of test right after I finish the deca or should I continue at 1g for a few weeks while the deca clears then move down to the cruise dose of ~250mgs of test.

24 Y.O - ~260 at 6'3"
Low test prior to cycles

 

[Eman45]

If your cruising your good. Drop the deca go to cruise dose Your running a gram of test anyways so the build up of test from your blast will be in your system and clearing with the deca when you go on your cruise dose

 

[Eman45]

How did your cycle turn out curious. Bloat size strength.

 

[anfee]

24 years old and you want to blast and cruise?

You need to adhere to time on = time off at a minimum, regardless if doing a PCT or blast and cruising.

8 weeks off is not enough, especially with deca being involved. More time off is needed. Preferably a PCT when you’re so young. You do not want to married to a needle for the rest of your life bud...

 

[ICD-HardThings]

I like to step down on my test. Not sure that it benefits me. Ill reduce it by 25% for 3 injections til I'm at cruise. So 750, 550, 400, and then TRT Dose.

 

[Nolij]

Are you going to be on test for the rest of your life ?

 

[joesmoke]

With a long ester you should be able to go to trt doses. With a short ester I would step down the doses slowly to not cause too many side so your body gets used to it.

 

[Oldschool]

24 years old and you want to blast and cruise?

You need to adhere to time on = time off at a minimum, regardless if doing a PCT or blast and cruising.

8 weeks off is not enough, especially with deca being involved. More time off is needed. Preferably a PCT when you’re so young. You do not want to married to a needle for the rest of your life bud...

Good stuff Anfee

 

[EQ Kimball]

How did your cycle turn out curious. Bloat size strength.

The cycle has been absolutely amazing - strength gains through the roof, size has been substantial, and joint pain has been extremely reduced. In the beginning I wasn't as strict on my sodium intake and was very bloated, I clamped down and as soon as I monitored my sodium and kept my e in control (as well as b6) the bloat reduced significantly.

 

[EQ Kimball]

24 years old and you want to blast and cruise?

You need to adhere to time on = time off at a minimum, regardless if doing a PCT or blast and cruising.

8 weeks off is not enough, especially with deca being involved. More time off is needed. Preferably a PCT when you’re so young. You do not want to married to a needle for the rest of your life bud...

I really appreciate you taking the time to lay out some facts without being a cunt about it. The problem lies in the fact that years and years of opiate/suboxone/vivitrol use and abuse fucked my test up tremendously - pre cycle bloods were just about at TRT necessary doses (even after years of sobriety). So to answer your question Nolij - most likely yeah.

So you think Anfee I should cruise at atleast the 17 weeks this cycle length will be in aggregate? I want to PCT but I'm scared that my levels are going to go back to pre cycle and those are absolutely unacceptable.

 

[EQ Kimball]

Are you going to be on test for the rest of your life ?

In reality? Most likely unless the damage done to my axis just reverses overnight.

I like to step down on my test. Not sure that it benefits me. Ill reduce it by 25% for 3 injections til I'm at cruise. So 750, 550, 400, and then TRT Dose.

This seems to be most realistic option. Appreciate the input. I'm worried the deca depletion and quick drop in test at the same time may result in some issues.

Although on paper:

With a long ester you should be able to go to trt doses. With a short ester I would step down the doses slowly to not cause too many side so your body gets used to it.

This makes sense.

 

[Morefyah]

I really appreciate you taking the time to lay out some facts without being a cunt about it. The problem lies in the fact that years and years of opiate/suboxone/vivitrol use and abuse fucked my test up tremendously - pre cycle bloods were just about at TRT necessary doses (even after years of sobriety). So to answer your question Nolij - most likely yeah.

So you think Anfee I should cruise at atleast the 17 weeks this cycle length will be in aggregate? I want to PCT but I'm scared that my levels are going to go back to pre cycle and those are absolutely unacceptable.

Let’s take a look at those pre cycle bloods first and we can go from there.

 

[Monstar]

Let’s take a look at those pre cycle bloods first and we can go from there.

Agree with this. What exactly were pre-cycle #s for your baseline (which with PCT you will likely revert to)? With these forums the same "qualitative description" could put someone in the 200s or someone in the 900s which would yield vastly different recommendations all because you can't assume a poster knows what they are talking about. Also, being young you want to think about having kids etc before you march down that path.

 

[EQ Kimball]

Let’s take a look at those pre cycle bloods first and we can go from there.

371 @ 8:30am at 24 years old.

 

[Morefyah]

371 @ 8:30am at 24 years old.

Could you please post the whole panel?
Or is this all you have to go by?

 

[EQ Kimball]

Could you please post the whole panel?
Or is this all you have to go by?

my doctor has it because in NJ I had to go through him to get to labcorp. I looked at my numbers and discussed them with him - I'm sure I can get the full panel from him if I call have it faxed and all that bullshit. Which I sure as fuck don't want to do right now.

 

[Monstar]

my doctor has it because in NJ I had to go through him to get to labcorp. I looked at my numbers and discussed them with him - I'm sure I can get the full panel from him if I call have it faxed and all that bullshit. Which I sure as fuck don't want to do right now.

If you are close to PA or get there semi-regularly you can have the bloods done at a Labcorp there. Honestly, screw NJ and NY for their policies.

If you do have a full panel, people can look at it and help determine issues (men's health forum is probably the best place but link it here). Sometimes a low total (and 371 is pretty low) may have a solid free test which means your body is actually very efficient at generating free test from an otherwise sub par total level - everyone is different and these are typically people that respond to low dose cycles well even 200-300mg weekly. If this is the case you want to know that. Another situation is where your body is converting total to E2, suppressing total, and taking a basic AI can remedy things a good amount (more common in older but another reason to post a full panel). Can also be issues with LH/FSH driving things. Anyway...idea is to understand fully "why" you are low when going down a permanent or potentially very complicating route. Note that I'm not an expert here or diagnosing - I'm just illustrating several reasons a full panel and understanding things fully is useful to you.

 

[EQ Kimball]

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If you are close to PA or get there semi-regularly you can have the bloods done at a Labcorp there. Honestly, screw NJ and NY for their policies.

If you do have a full panel, people can look at it and help determine issues (men's health forum is probably the best place but link it here). Sometimes a low total (and 371 is pretty low) may have a solid free test which means your body is actually very efficient at generating free test from an otherwise sub par total level - everyone is different and these are typically people that respond to low dose cycles well even 200-300mg weekly. If this is the case you want to know that. Another situation is where your body is converting total to E2, suppressing total, and taking a basic AI can remedy things a good amount (more common in older but another reason to post a full panel). Can also be issues with LH/FSH driving things. Anyway...idea is to understand fully "why" you are low when going down a permanent or potentially very complicating route. Note that I'm not an expert here or diagnosing - I'm just illustrating several reasons a full panel and understanding things fully is useful to you.

Thank you for that. Insightful to say the least. My E levels were within range I remember him saying. I need to get my hands on the full panel. Do I have to lie about my residency to test in PA?

 

[Oldschool]

T

Thank you for that. Insightful to say the least. My E levels were within range I remember him saying. I need to get my hands on the full panel. Do I have to lie about my residency to test in PA?

Your low test levels could be because of a vitamin or mineral deficiency. Just another example of how knowing the big picture can be beneficial. @RogerRabbit is the man in this department.

 

[Monstar]

T

Thank you for that. Insightful to say the least. My E levels were within range I remember him saying. I need to get my hands on the full panel. Do I have to lie about my residency to test in PA?

Go to private md labs and select a PA location. I don't believe you have to lie but not 100%.