Female test p/primo/var log

[HolRog28]

Week 1
20mg var Ed/100mg primo e every 7 days
Week 2
Added in 50mg test p
Week 3
All three compounds in same dosages and started pinning every 5 days
By the end of this week my voice is scratchy, a little swollen (but finding it advantageous) and hair growth is faster,
Weights are increasing dramatically. Sleep isn't as well as I'd like. Feeling very alpha... And libido is off the charts which is a very welcome change.

 

[Trapmonster]

Subd

 

[Trapmonster]

How many cycles have you ran previously?

 

[Izk]

Test p is daily or ed i assume, and not every 5 days?
Looks like an awesome cycle, look foward to further posts!

 

[HolRog28]

Test p is 50mg every 5 days. I'll adjust if needed. Gauging sides right now as this is my first time using it. I'm trying to pin as infrequently as possible.

 

[HolRog28]

How many cycles have you ran previously?

1 of anavar only.

 

[Trapmonster]

Post stats, so we can compare at the end of your cycle

 

[HolRog28]

5'8 175

R arm 15
L arm 15
L calf 16
R calf 15.75


Shoulders 44
L thigh 23
R thigh 23.50

Chest 36.25
Waist 34
Hips 38
Butt 42.5

 

[Capt Forest]

In for this. See it though for us. We all got a girl in mind when reading this.

 

[HolRog28]

Absolutely

 

[RThoads]

Test p is 50mg every 5 days. I'll adjust if needed. Gauging sides right now as this is my first time using it. I'm trying to pin as infrequently as possible.

A close female friend and training partner of mine is currently running 35 mg prop a week (her bloods are posted in the lab section). She does 5 mg each day.

I understand you stated you want to avoid pinning (I am the same--I think 99% of people are the same as I never met anyone yet that is all hype to stab themselves with a pin); however, I feel such infrequent administration of the fast acting short ester will put you on a real roller coaster in terms of peaks and valleys.

I am just worried you will get a very large peak that day on the 50 mg and then nothing left a few days out. I have read female logs on other boards where EOD pinning gave good results. I would just be concerned that you get such a big peak with the 50 mg that it pushes into sides, and then such a drastic drop a few days later which is also not so good. Maybe even E3D? anyway, not knocking you at all, just suggesting smaller more frequent pins may be give less sides and better positive results.

Best wishes! and thanks for doing a female log!

 

[HolRog28]

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A close female friend and training partner of mine is currently running 35 mg prop a week (her bloods are posted in the lab section). She does 5 mg each day.

I understand you stated you want to avoid pinning (I am the same--I think 99% of people are the same as I never met anyone yet that is all hype to stab themselves with a pin); however, I feel such infrequent administration of the fast acting short ester will put you on a real roller coaster in terms of peaks and valleys.

I am just worried you will get a very large peak that day on the 50 mg and then nothing left a few days out. I have read female logs on other boards where EOD pinning gave good results. I would just be concerned that you get such a big peak with the 50 mg that it pushes into sides, and then such a drastic drop a few days later which is also not so good. Maybe even E3D? anyway, not knocking you at all, just suggesting smaller more frequent pins may be give less sides and better positive results.

Best wishes! and thanks for doing a female log!

I had considered more frequent dosing but I was unsure. I didn't realize that more frequency at a lower dose would result in less sides when the total dosage for the week is the same....
So, basically I would do 25mg e3d?

I'm always open to and appreciative of any advice.

 

[RThoads]

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I had considered more frequent dosing but I was unsure. I didn't realize that more frequency at a lower dose would result in less sides when the total dosage for the week is the same....
So, basically I would do 25mg e3d?

I'm always open to and appreciative of any advise.

yes, with smaller and more frequent vs larger and infrequent, the smaller and frequent will result in much more stable levels that stay within a more controlled range.

Here is a plot of level with 50mg every 5th day (you can see the peak value get up to about 30 mg then drops to almost nothing):

Here is a plot of your proposed E3D (much lower peak values -- better chance at avoiding crossing a threshold that gives nastier sides):

Here is a plot of 7mg ED (approx 50 mg/week but much smoother release):

With the very small dosages (under 15 "iu" on a slin pin) you should be able to simply use a slin pin and do subq. Many men run their TRT subQ if they opt to multiple small dosages more frequently to enjoy more stable levels.

I assume your prop is 100mg/mL so this would make every tick mark on slin pin 1mg (my friend uses the smaller 1/2cc pin so that the tick marks are much easier to see and measure small amounts).

Just some ideas! hope it helps

 

[Wunderpus]

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I had considered more frequent dosing but I was unsure. I didn't realize that more frequency at a lower dose would result in less sides when the total dosage for the week is the same....
So, basically I would do 25mg e3d?

I'm always open to and appreciative of any advice.

The important part is the half-life. With test p.'s being so short, EOD is the maximum spacing in my opinion. As RT suggest, ED is better.

I believe RT's friend was using insulin needs, sub-q, correct? @RThoads

 

[RThoads]

The important part is the half-life. With test p.'s being so short, EOD is the maximum spacing in my opinion. As RT suggest, ED is better.

I believe RT's friend was using insulin needs, sub-q, correct? @RThoads

Yes, correct about the slin pin and subQ.
I have read other females running prop that way also since they use such small dosages and like anyone would rather not have to use a big needle so often.

My friend is running prop this time to see how she reacts (prop leaves the system fast if there are any negative issues) and dial in dosages etc. Then next time around she hopes to use a longer ester and only have to pin twice a week. Even with the longer ester she can enjoy using subQ because the concentration will be higher so an evem smaller volume will achieve what she needs.

 

[Trapmonster]

I read that subq doesn't peak as high as intramuscular because it metabolize quicker. There was a thread I read with blood work from many different users testing 4-6 weeks subq and 4-6 intramuscular. I'm going to try and find it

 

[Docd187123]

I read somewhere about females doing better with less frequent dosing and the associated trougs that come with it. I forgot where I read it and how credible, or evidence backed, it was but I'll try looking for it.

 

[Trapmonster]

here is is. it is guys but it kind of gives a baseline on how each one affects differently.
Hopefully i dont get in trouble for posting this


Adding in Age and Weight/BF if you have it.

GFA - 210 lbs, 41 years old ~20-25% Bf?
Baseline 284 ng/dL (Total test)
SQ 366 ng/dL (Total test) 102.9 ng/dL range 40.0-250.0 (F+W Bound) 100mg (1x100 weekly) - Into Belly
IM 792 ng/dL (Total test) 243.1 ng/dL range 40.0-250.0 (F+W Bound) 100mg (1x100 weekly)
IM 923 ng/dL (Total test) 366.7 ng/dL range 40.0-250.0 (F+W Bound) 120mg (1x weekly)
SQ 638 ng/dL (Total test) 229.7 ng/dL range 40.0-250.0 (F+W Bound) 120mg (2x60 weekly) - Into Thigh

badrad123 - 46 years old, ~22% BF
Base 195 (Total test)
SQ 375 (Total test) 80 mg test (40mg 2x a week)
IM ?
Summary - Most recent test of 375 TT seems to indicate badrad is not responsive to belly SQ injections.

clarkster
Base 175 (Total test)
SQ 505 (Total test) 100 mg test (50mg 2x a week) 250 ius hcg 3x a week
IM 781 200mg week
Summary - too many things changed but TT still seems low for hcg + 100mg test.

rhoag
Baseline 304
SQ 394 ng/dL (Total test) 50mg x2
SQ 852 ng/dL (Total test) 75mg x 2
SQ 493 ng/dL (Total test) 60mg x 2 + HCG + AI

dhickey
Baseline 243 ng/dL (Total test)
SERM 429 ng/dL (Total test) 20mg Tamoxifen ED.
IM 1223 ng/dL (Total test) 100mg IM x2, 250iu HCG SQ x2
SQ 508 ng/dL (Total test) 60mg x2 SQ, 250iu HCG SQ x2
SQ 745 ng/dL (Total test) 80mg x2 SQ, 250iu HCG SQ x2

lacy23
Baseline 284 ng/dL (Total test)
SQ 400 ng/dL (Total test) 13mg test ED SQ, 80 iu HCG ED SQ
IM 720 ng/dL (Total test) 65mg E5D IM, 200iu HCG 2 days before Test

Allaaro
Baseline 19.1 (Free test) range 31-94 range
SQ 56.5 (Free test) 150mg (3x50mg)
IM 121.1 (Free test) 200mg (2x100mg)
Summary - 30% increase in test yields 150% higher free test levels. Would like to see similar levels of test injected per week and total test. Your free test increases look similar to mine in terms of percentages.

Booku - 23 years old, ~10-15% BF
Baseline 70 ng/dL (Total test) 1.7 pg/mL range 9.3-26.5 pg/mL (free test)
SQ 920 (Total Test) 100mg (2x50mg)
IM ?
Summary - Responds well to SQ injections. Age, activity or BF levels play a role? Booku switched from belly to thigh injections.

Ratt
Baseline 256 ng/dL
SQ 450 ng/dL 100mg (2x50mg)
IM 750-900 ng/dL (120mg weekly, frequency unknown)
Summary - 300-450 ng/dL reduction using SQ.

38onTRT
Baseline ?
SQ 486 ng/dL 100mg (2x50mg) along with 500 iu HCG weekly and AI
IM ?
Summary - Unknown but @100mg test a week + hcg, test should be much higher, closer to double reported values. Switching back to IM and will report updated BW. Recommendation to keep the protocol the same with the exception of injection type (IM vs SQ).

Ryanmcd
Baseline ?
SQ - No data but quote "I felt like crap on SQ and went back to IM, no bloodwork to show but I know when I take naps again and dick is broke my test was low lol."
IM 750 ng/dL 100mg (1x100)

Rollingthunder -AGE 53, weight 240, BF mid 20s
Baseline ?
SQ 9 (7.2-24.0) (free test) 100mg (50mgx2)
IM 24 (7.2-24.0) (free test) 100mg (1x100mg)
Summary - There was a huge drop in test switching to SQ, some other variables such as HCG added, AI dropped during SQ phase.

HRTStudent
Baseline ?
SQ - 120mg (3x40mg weekly) + AI
IM - 150mg (2x75mg weekly) + AI
Summary - Need values. Difficult to make a determination on efficacy. Different dosages, lab draw, AI, testosterone amounts. Says numbers are similar, appears to metabolize via SQ at a lower rate than many of the others.

Summary - It appears injecting into belly fat for people with higher BF% is ineffective for SQ. 2nd round performed SQ into thigh only by GFA with better results. SQ still not as effective or reliable as IM even when injecting into lower BF regions. Additional testing is required.



Comparison between 100mg test Sub-Q and IM (with labwork) - Page 4


seems this is opposite from above though.
Subcutaneous administration of testosterone. A pilot study report. - PubMed - NCBI

 

[HolRog28]

So question...
If I did EOD, that's about 14mg...
I'm currently using a 22g 1.5" in my glute with primo and test together...

How would I pull oil into an insulin syringe? Aren't they all one piece? And so frequently I'd have to do it myself. So is quad ok?

 

[Docd187123]

You can backload an insulin syringe. Draw all your oil in a normal syringe. Pull out the plunger from the insulin pin, then shoot the normal syringe into the insulin one.