Filtering injectables too many times makes less potent?

[ElliotV]

Your style of smiley "" suggests after. Cause everyone born before 1990 should know that "" is correct (even the internet recognizes : ) as correct). But judging by your photo I can't tell. Maybe you just hang around too many youngins.

Well, technically I was not born before '90 nor after. Just saying. And all the cool kids know is the correct way. No one likes the creepy big bird looking one staring at you lol.

 

[Mr. Joe]

sorry i cant really tell you cause i dont know as there is no brand name on them just the measurements and stuff
- its .45um and celluloseacetate 25mm diameter
i used 2% ba and 12% bb

CA should be fine, the only consideration is CA has limited compatability with BA. Nylon would likely be the best choice. Anyone have experience with nylon, Elliot?

 

[PS LABS FOUNDER]

ca should be fine, the only consideration is ca has limited compatability with ba. Nylon would likely be the best choice. Anyone have experience with nylon, elliot?

i doute it matters much after 2x filters .........im going to filter 3x from now on and use less {at least 10% but never more then 15%} from now on

i think 2% ba and 10 - 12% bb is best

 

[jacked44]

One time with Whatman 45 is good. I brew 100 ml at a time. It does get harder to push through towards the end though.

 

[PS LABS FOUNDER]

one time with whatman 45 is good. I brew 100 ml at a time. It does get harder to push through towards the end though.

dam i change the filter every 20ml's!

 

[nophat]

When your mixing you powder ,bb,ba not the oil !if you filter th powder ,bb,ba when mixed it will filter fast and simple . You can do the oil last because you will heat the oil to make it simple. After filtering the two and putting them together. Filter once threw a filter you will then be able to filter 100ml threw the filter no prob.But after you do a few you will realize a bottle filter and hand pump (break bleeder)it all becomes real quick.100ml in 1or2min. Any questions lets post them I've done my share of brew from pellets to great powder! Not brewing now but been threw my trial and arrors let me save you the mistakes!! Peace brothers!

 

[jacked44]

well you guys have points BUT WHY DOES IT GET EASIER EVERY TIME I FILTER IT TO GO THROUGH THE FILTER? LIKE THERE IS A DIFFERENCE FROM THE 1ST FILTER TO THE 2ND OBVIOUSLY ...B UT THEN IT GETS EVEN EASIER THE 3RD FILTER? THIS MEANS IN MY MIND THAT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT DIDNT GET CAUGHT IN THE 1ST FILTER GOT CAUGHT IN THE 2ND FILTER

BUT IT IS NOTICEABLE SMOOTHER AFTER 3 FILTERS ..BUT LIKE JIM SAID IM SURE THE CHEMICALS I WANT {HORMONE POWDERS} ARE MUCH SMALLER WHEN DISSOLVED THEN .45 FILTER SO I SHOULD BE FINE

- I THINK I WILL FITLER ALL MY STUFF 3 TIMES NOW THOUGH BECAUSE IT DID GET EASIER EACH TIME THROUGH THE FILTER

By the time you get to the third filtering, 99.999% of the impurities are gone. I don't believe that you can filter the now-suspended AAS out. I may be wrong though. I would like to hear other comments on this.

 

[Dr JIM]

Nofat what country are you from, JUST CURIOUS ?


jimmy

 

[Stretch]

This thread is somewhat ridiculous. Filtering more than once is a waste of time and money. It changes nothing. Not sterility. Not potency. Not smoothness of the final product. Nothing. Filter once and pin:drooling:

 

[Dr JIM]

Now Stretch are u suggesting more is NOT always better?

 

[Dr JIM]

Seriously although I've never filtered before how often and what sized pore filter should be used would depend upon the level of "contamination" in the initial product.

Understand also contamination could range from "heavy metals" to certain organisms such as viruses and bacteria.

Additionally it's also important to realize unless the contamination is related to a particularly virulent (potent) organism or one which is of low potency yet is in large enough quantities, infectious complication are quite uncommon.

So the filtering any AAS is used for much more than the removal of infectious junk.

Fact is, I've use labs which pay less attention to the quality of the product being delivered, which includes filtering, and it can and does make a difference.

For example I know of two labs personally which "triple filter" their products and a couple more that single filter theirs, and although I've not discovered any difference in the rates of infection, the triple filtered AAS is MUCH "smoother" or easier to PIN.

That is to say the pressure required to inject a 3X filtered product is considerably lower than one which is mono-filtered, (everything else being equal), and when small needles are being used, that difference can be significant, IME.

Jimmy

 

[PS LABS FOUNDER]

This thread is somewhat ridiculous. Filtering more than once is a waste of time and money. It changes nothing. Not sterility. Not potency. Not smoothness of the final product. Nothing. Filter once and pin:drooling:

id have to disagree as filtering the 2nd time is a lot easier then the 1st but maybe thats because its not actually fintering anything at all ahah -
anyways ill keep filtering 2x to ensure purity

 

[Dr JIM]

To believe a single filtering catches all the impurities is erroneous. Filtering removes many non-pathogenic contaminants, some of which are quite irritating when injected.

IME, an identical AAS product filtered once rather than thrice is more difficult to inject and burns considerably more.

Is there a significant difference in pathogen counts? Nope, but if it's my ass (and it often is) I ensure the supplier routinely filters their AAS THREE TIMES.

Moreover Ive reason to suspect some of these unwanted substances (which includes anything but the AAS, oil and preservative) hang around in that ass for a longer period, which could prolong the inflammatory reaction, and increase the formation of scar tissue.


And neither should effect potency since the "screen" is far to large to "catch" a molecule of AAS, although some, no doubt, is adsorbed onto the filter itself.

Jimmy

 

[Deeko87]

In a previous job i used to polish diesel fuel using a filtering process that would cascade from 100 micron right down to 1 micron, once the fuel was filtered to 1 micron it looked clean and shiny, you would think it clean however, we would have to filter and filter and filter again using a new 1 micron filter each time because they larger particles will still make it through the filter. each successive pass through the filter would still pick up particles larger than 1 micron.
I believe the rating only stands true if the oil is allowed to naturally drop through the filter element any excessive pressure will inevitably force larger particles through the filter.

i know this is not the exact same scenario but i guess the same principle applies