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Sarah10 said:
Thanks!!!! Been training since I was 16 now 20 so appreciate hearing that haha. Hard work is paying off! The picture in the Avi I took when I was like 13 weeks out.
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(scrrrrrrrreeeech) You're 20?

Idk girl...i mean literally I do not know about the role these hormones play in womens development but I do know one thing for sure...If you were a male 99% of the big brothers in this thread would have said whoa not go. That being said I believe it's everyone's own right to do what they want in regards to their bodies, I hate fucking seatbelt and motorcycle helmet laws. You think you have a legitimate shot at making a living with your body AND that's what you want out of life?...go for it. Same thing I tell any guy your age playing D1 ball and dreams of taking it to the next level. However, I do think you should seek out knowledgeable and experienced advice before you dive in. I guess we have some kind of double standard here for girls that are gonna be hot in 5 years...

Good luck to you..here's where I step out
Go Panthers FTW!
 
TANGO.ECHO.KILO said:
(scrrrrrrrreeeech) You're 20?

Idk girl...i mean literally I do not know about the role these hormones play in womens development but I do know one thing for sure...If you were a male 99% of the big brothers in this thread would have said whoa not go. That being said I believe it's everyone's own right to do what they want in regards to their bodies, I hate fucking seatbelt and motorcycle helmet laws. You think you have a legitimate shot at making a living with your body AND that's what you want out of life?...go for it. Same thing I tell any guy your age playing D1 ball and dreams of taking it to the next level. However, I do think you should seek out knowledgeable and experienced advice before you dive in. I guess we have some kind of double standard here for girls that are gonna be hot in 5 years...

Good luck to you..here's where I step out
Go Panthers FTW!
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Not exactly the same concerns as a male that's for sure, she would need to worry about sterility and virillization but she's not going to feel like crap all the time when she comes off and won't lose her sexual function ability. She may get a slightly deeper voice (not incredibly noticeable even if that happens) which it probably won't as anavar is very mild and virillization usually isn't a problem.

Other then that the reason we steer most away is due to lack of training or nutrition knowledge as not many come in at that age with either but holding the titles from 3 competitions and 4th place in another would prove she has this.

On another note as for your standard for girls who are gonna be hot in 5 years.... She's fricken hot now so you can scratch of the 5 year part and call it a double standard for hot girls:p but really that's not what it is. Steroids act differently in females and she has the history and is at a level that it could make the difference in making money of her body or not (in the most elegant way to make money of your body:D)
 
RodgerThat said:
Not exactly the same concerns as a male that's for sure, she would need to worry about sterility and virillization but she's not going to feel like crap all the time when she comes off and won't lose her sexual function ability. She may get a slightly deeper voice (not incredibly noticeable even if that happens) which it probably won't as anavar is very mild and virillization usually isn't a problem.

Other then that the reason we steer most away is due to lack of training or nutrition knowledge as not many come in at that age with either but holding the titles from 3 competitions and 4th place in another would prove she has this.

On another note as for your standard for girls who are gonna be hot in 5 years.... She's fricken hot now so you can scratch of the 5 year part and call it a double standard for hot girls:p but really that's not what it is. Steroids act differently in females and she has the history and is at a level that it could make the difference in making money of her body or not (in the most elegant way to make money of your body:D)
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I have extensive history with almost every member that posted in this thread, I respect all of yall, some of the good ones. But I respectfully agree to disagree here...We didn't ask this chic stats/age/experience, no "layout your diet", no "what's your training look like", macros, nothing...zip. Starts a thread like every other 20 year old AFTER she's started a cycle, who knows what she's really taking anyone ask her that? Where she sourced it? Shit's probably DBOL and winny, anyone think of that?Although you may not worry about a limp dick and lethargy, or potential sterilization like in a male user. From my very limited reading I've gathered there are plenty of women out there dealing with unwanted effects of virillization on the boards. Hardening of facial features, irregular menstration, clit enlargement, vocal changes, acne, hair growth. Like I said I just don't know enough to sit here and tell some 20 year old little girl that she can't achieve her dreams with diet and training adjustments alone at this stage. And that's what she is...A CHILD MAN. 20 years old? I'm 28 and I wouldn't fuck run around with a girl not old enough to buy a beer GTFO. We got half the information and started throwing "yea up the dose. Throw some ephedrine in there, clen, albuterol." I just aint about it...I think we can do better.
It's not just this either there has been a lot of shit around here lately that's bobo. I watched a 24 year old dude get blasted because he competed in shuttle run and wanted to shave time off his PR, increase endurance by running a cycle. But we can tell 20 year old girls to run fucking black market clen and var, albuterol and disregard their diet and training bc she showed us her belly button ring? Idk brother...aint my style, and I'm no prude in regards to pushing it hard.

...coming from a dude that frequently takes a higher amount of risk in regards to his own body than most guys around here could justify. It's just my .02.

@Sarah10 I apologize to derail your thread, no disrespect towards you intended but when we talk about "harm reduction" in regards to PED education for users it's biased to not ask you the same questions we would ask another user regardless of gender or physical appearance imo. If it makes you feel any better I bet you will be one bad bitch when you hit 30.

carry on
 
@TANGO.ECHO.KILO you are right I have made some assumptions from her previous accomplishments. I'm assuming she has a good grasp on diet as bikini devision is not simply starve yourself to look skinny for sure and for her needs from her AVI it looks like she also has a fairly good grasp on training for her needs having won 3 bikini comps as well. Virillization at 10mg var daily isn't a huge issue as var is incredibly mild but she will undoubtably have issues with her period being irregular if at all yes. Facial structure issues and clit enlargement with var isn't much of an issue from all the research I've done and acne is person by person basis just like test for men. Not trying to argue at all man give made very valid points and I am now curious of her diet and macro breakdown and her training ragime. Did a bunch of research for my last girlfriend on anavar, ultimately decided against it for her as she just wanted to look better at the beach in general (which would have been a hard feet to do 10/10 man lol) but if you are going into a show it does have its purpose. I'm sure we shall both be given a wealth of information from @GearGodess when she pokes her head in again and we can straighten things out a bit.


PS legal drinking age in Canada is 19 so she could indeed buy me a beer ;)
 
RodgerThat said:
PS legal drinking age in Canada is 19 so she could indeed buy me a beer ;)
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Everybody knows Canadian beer IN Canada is the best. The stuff they give us isn't the same. Ive had more than a few fun nights with a gut full of molson walking back to my hotel in a northern blizzard than I'd care to admit.

Trukker what's your point?

While I respect TEK's views i dont agree with them in whole. Dude is a legit caring dude with alot to offer here but this big brother stuff I see exhibited around here gives me gas.

How young is too young? When is the time right? I never did like the idea of a TEENAGER using AAS or anything related. I never touched the stuff till i was 30 so maybe im a little biased. Also too be honest I never liked the idea of women using AAS. The female body is a beautifull thing. Over masculization is an abomination to me and any side effect from their use is too much to bare. I understand anavar is "mild" would I encourage my wife to use it? Not if it changes a tiny little hair on her awesome body!

I think she said 3, 1st place finishes at big shows and a step towards a pro card? Ya that's proof she's got it...

While I don't necessarily agree with young AAS use I never see people blast arnold, ferrigno or any other BB/PL/sports figure for their use that helped them to their goals. These folks all started very young. Way younger than her...and we all know risk is involved. No risk no reward.

Well ill see ya down the road rubber ducky

Trukker out:cool:
 
Alright boys...here is my 2 cents...which may turn into 4. Lol

First, the reason why I jumped in was simply due to the fact that she competes. 20 years old...yea a little early but she's also competed and won several times. There are also many females younger than her and taking much harsher compounds. Now she wants pro card. That shows me, she accepts the simple fact of what it takes to be pro in this sport and is wanting it for the long run. Most girls in the bikini, including where I started, end up going to figure anyway. And thats a great category and there is nothing manly about us... Im a typical girly girl except with a toned body. And how you look on stage vs everyday is a little different. Im sorry but a natural competitor has no chance in the pro world. Most use anyway and hope they aren't tested.

She did give us her stats and she has done some research plus she's here for guidance. From my experience, girls with her stats and history and current appearance would be fine with mild var at 20mg. I hate to say it but women are a lot more aware of their bodies then men so she will know when to back off or stop. And to address the fake var...yes it's possible but with a girl her size, she'd be getting insane pumps and probably cramps if it was dbol since that is the most common compound used to fake var. I certainly hope she has a trusted source. But she's also not someone off the street but someone surrounded by people in this lifestyle so I'm going to assume it's good to go. Plus she's a smart girl, she will know and feel if something is off. That's the difference between men and women... very tiny things we pick up on and early. And the possible sides she may get are not necessarily bad ones. I can go in detail if you wish on how you notice the very initial changes in the sides that were listed. Also for the other compounds I suggested, those will not damage her. She just needs to ask questions. If I wasn't interested in helping her succeed then I wouldn't have mentioned the things I did. My first experience with clen, Albuterol, ECA, T3 were when I was 17... and 20 years later I'm still fine and still a girl...

And truthfully, if your girlfriend or wife would like to venture into the aas or fat burners such as clen/Albuterol , T3, etc... why not... you're allowed to improve your bodies, why wouldn't you want then to do the same...so they can look and feel better... you really don't have to compete to take them... there are mild choices that someone who has a healthy lifestyle with clean diet and hard training that could benefit from... in reality, if we feel good about ourselves then you will benefit more from it too... BUT I'm not saying to put a girl on gear, no matter how mild if she doesn't know what the gym is or doesn't eat properly...
 
GearGodess said:
Alright boys...here is my 2 cents...which may turn into 4. Lol

First, the reason why I jumped in was simply due to the fact that she competes. 20 years old...yea a little early but she's also competed and won several times. There are also many females younger than her and taking much harsher compounds. Now she wants pro card. That shows me, she accepts the simple fact of what it takes to be pro in this sport and is wanting it for the long run. Most girls in the bikini, including where I started, end up going to figure anyway. And thats a great category and there is nothing manly about us... Im a typical girly girl except with a toned body. And how you look on stage vs everyday is a little different. Im sorry but a natural competitor has no chance in the pro world. Most use anyway and hope they aren't tested.

She did give us her stats and she has done some research plus she's here for guidance. From my experience, girls with her stats and history and current appearance would be fine with mild var at 20mg. I hate to say it but women are a lot more aware of their bodies then men so she will know when to back off or stop. And to address the fake var...yes it's possible but with a girl her size, she'd be getting insane pumps and probably cramps if it was dbol since that is the most common compound used to fake var. I certainly hope she has a trusted source. But she's also not someone off the street but someone surrounded by people in this lifestyle so I'm going to assume it's good to go. Plus she's a smart girl, she will know and feel if something is off. That's the difference between men and women... very tiny things we pick up on and early. And the possible sides she may get are not necessarily bad ones. I can go in detail if you wish on how you notice the very initial changes in the sides that were listed. Also for the other compounds I suggested, those will not damage her. She just needs to ask questions. If I wasn't interested in helping her succeed then I wouldn't have mentioned the things I did. My first experience with clen, Albuterol, ECA, T3 were when I was 17... and 20 years later I'm still fine and still a girl...

And truthfully, if your girlfriend or wife would like to venture into the aas or fat burners such as clen/Albuterol , T3, etc... why not... you're allowed to improve your bodies, why wouldn't you want then to do the same...so they can look and feel better... you really don't have to compete to take them... there are mild choices that someone who has a healthy lifestyle with clean diet and hard training that could benefit from... in reality, if we feel good about ourselves then you will benefit more from it too... BUT I'm not saying to put a girl on gear, no matter how mild if she doesn't know what the gym is or doesn't eat properly...
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I haven't run in to you much 'round the board but what I've read and seen you are a great asset to the small female following we have here. Glad to have you here. A great addition!
 
gr8whitetrukker said:
I haven't run in to you much 'round the board but what I've read and seen you are a great asset to the small female following we have here. Glad to have you here. A great addition!
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Thank you. I have been around then I was away for a bit but I'm back. I'm on several different boards... I've also used to get pm's from people with questions and responded that way... but I've come to the conclusion that it's better to get it all posted in threads so the other females or men with questions can read for themselves. There truly isn't enough females sharing their experiences due to the simple fact that we used to be judged for using gear as it's so male dominated, so we keep to ourselves. I personally don't care. I'd rather help and share then have women confused or their men put them on bad and inappropriate cycles...or worse, forbid them cause they think they will look manly...
 
GearGodess said:
Alright boys...here is my 2 cents...which may turn into 4. Lol

First, the reason why I jumped in was simply due to the fact that she competes. 20 years old...yea a little early but she's also competed and won several times. There are also many females younger than her and taking much harsher compounds. Now she wants pro card. That shows me, she accepts the simple fact of what it takes to be pro in this sport and is wanting it for the long run. Most girls in the bikini, including where I started, end up going to figure anyway. And thats a great category and there is nothing manly about us... Im a typical girly girl except with a toned body. And how you look on stage vs everyday is a little different. Im sorry but a natural competitor has no chance in the pro world. Most use anyway and hope they aren't tested.

She did give us her stats and she has done some research plus she's here for guidance. From my experience, girls with her stats and history and current appearance would be fine with mild var at 20mg. I hate to say it but women are a lot more aware of their bodies then men so she will know when to back off or stop. And to address the fake var...yes it's possible but with a girl her size, she'd be getting insane pumps and probably cramps if it was dbol since that is the most common compound used to fake var. I certainly hope she has a trusted source. But she's also not someone off the street but someone surrounded by people in this lifestyle so I'm going to assume it's good to go. Plus she's a smart girl, she will know and feel if something is off. That's the difference between men and women... very tiny things we pick up on and early. And the possible sides she may get are not necessarily bad ones. I can go in detail if you wish on how you notice the very initial changes in the sides that were listed. Also for the other compounds I suggested, those will not damage her. She just needs to ask questions. If I wasn't interested in helping her succeed then I wouldn't have mentioned the things I did. My first experience with clen, Albuterol, ECA, T3 were when I was 17... and 20 years later I'm still fine and still a girl...

And truthfully, if your girlfriend or wife would like to venture into the aas or fat burners such as clen/Albuterol , T3, etc... why not... you're allowed to improve your bodies, why wouldn't you want then to do the same...so they can look and feel better... you really don't have to compete to take them... there are mild choices that someone who has a healthy lifestyle with clean diet and hard training that could benefit from... in reality, if we feel good about ourselves then you will benefit more from it too... BUT I'm not saying to put a girl on gear, no matter how mild if she doesn't know what the gym is or doesn't eat properly...
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Thank you for this.. I really appreciate your knowledge and support. I feel as if the other men are assuming I am uneducated and naive willing to put a bunch of random substances in my body without really caring about my health. I am aware of what I am doing and have done A LOT of research on anavar and personally know people that have years of experience with AAS and seeked out advice from them and was sure to find a reliable source to get my anavar from and I am sure it is not fake. I am hear for support and to learn and share my experience. Not be judged for my decisions. I know what I am doing to my body and I'm very cautious of my health. I have big goals and I know what it takes to reach them and I am willing to do it. But with caution and care for myself. And your right women are a lot more aware of their bodies. I always know if something is off. So far my first week on var has been great. And no sides.
 
Sarah10 said:
Thank you for this.. I really appreciate your knowledge and support. I feel as if the other men are assuming I am uneducated and naive willing to put a bunch of random substances in my body without really caring about my health. I am aware of what I am doing and have done A LOT of research on anavar and personally know people that have years of experience with AAS and seeked out advice from them and was sure to find a reliable source to get my anavar from and I am sure it is not fake. I am hear for support and to learn and share my experience. Not be judged for my decisions. I know what I am doing to my body and I'm very cautious of my health. I have big goals and I know what it takes to reach them and I am willing to do it. But with caution and care for myself. And your right women are a lot more aware of their bodies. I always know if something is off. So far my first week on var has been great. And no sides.
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Yes... we are all here for you... and if you have questions or concerns... just ask....

And the boys will not judge... I'll put them in their place I promise.

I guess it's simply because they see a young attractive woman and have the stereotyped woman on steroids image in their head... and don't want you to become that... in a weird way, they are looking out for you... big brother type of a way... that annoying controlling big brother pain in our ass... hehehe
 
Sarah10 said:
Thank you for this.. I really appreciate your knowledge and support. I feel as if the other men are assuming I am uneducated and naive willing to put a bunch of random substances in my body without really caring about my health. I am aware of what I am doing and have done A LOT of research on anavar and personally know people that have years of experience with AAS and seeked out advice from them and was sure to find a reliable source to get my anavar from and I am sure it is not fake. I am hear for support and to learn and share my experience. Not be judged for my decisions. I know what I am doing to my body and I'm very cautious of my health. I have big goals and I know what it takes to reach them and I am willing to do it. But with caution and care for myself. And your right women are a lot more aware of their bodies. I always know if something is off. So far my first week on var has been great. And no sides.
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I dont think anyone is questioning you, it was more a question of why we tend to give younger males a hard time when it comes to PEDs and not females.

We all know its your body, but for the most part we all watch out for eachother. Its like a family around here. And like your regular family theres good (like having eachothers back), and bad (like getting on eachothers nerves, arguing, and walking in on mom and dad roleplaying cops and robbers).

Hopefully youll stick around (along with @GearGodess, @HolRog28, and some others) so we can build up our female membership and get different POVs. Plus we need women for the intermural steroid softball team against the other forums.
 
Stick around meso for awhile and you'll see a post with younger kids asking for advice on there cycle and you'll understand completely why some of the above was said. I see posts about first cycles and PCT that quite often look like a trainwreck waiting to happen. So with that in mind it's common around here to tell someone a little younger to be very careful. What sets you apart is you seem a lot smarter and experienced so I think you'll be just fine.

Plus very few guys on here are knowledgeable in regards to females cycling, I myself always tag gear godess and now you can understand why from her quality posts.
 
GearGodess said:
Yes... we are all here for you... and if you have questions or concerns... just ask....

And the boys will not judge... I'll put them in their place I promise.

I guess it's simply because they see a young attractive woman and have the stereotyped woman on steroids image in their head... and don't want you to become that... in a weird way, they are looking out for you... big brother type of a way... that annoying controlling big brother pain in our ass... hehehe
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Hahaha thanks!! Yeah I see how they are just looking out. But yeah got annoyed lol
 
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