First cutting cycle after a few years off

[WannaBeBIG]

So I got hit hard by the pandemic and haven't stepped into a gym in over two years. I got fat! fattest I've ever been. A change was needed.

For my 5th cycle (First one in 3 years) I have cutting as the goal as I am sitting at 26% bodyfat when I used to walk around at 9% 185lbs a few years ago. I'm now 225lbs and 5'7" for reference.

I am on legit TRT at 150mg/week Test but the last year and a bit where I saw the most fat gain I was really bad with doing my injections, sometimes going a month between shots. I also lost access to my endo so my HCG and AI scripts ran out and I wasn't able to get them refilled. I'm meeting with a new Endo in a couple weeks to get back on track with HCG and estrogen control.

For the last two years I haven't tracked my macros after doing it for like ten years and ate well with meal kits 3x/week and UberEats :burgers and pizza a couple times a week. Clearly it added up.

A month ago I said enough is enough and made up a solid meal plan with a caloric deficit of around 450 calories per day with no deviation or cheat meals. It's similar to how I used to eat a few years ago so it all feels familiar.

A few weeks ago I started going back to the gym and have only been able to get there a couple times due to poor mental health. Aside from the exercise I have a pretty sedentary home life which I'm trying to address with potential daily 1hr weight-vest walks with my dog but I have a lot of trouble leaving the house so the walks are a goal in progress.

Two weeks ago I began 500mg/week Test E with a frontload and am thinking about adding in other compounds to aid in fat loss. I'm still somewhat muscular and muscle memory will come back after a few months in the gym so I want to aid the process along in every way possible.

My primary goal is fat loss with muscle retention.

Right now I want to dial in the cycle while watching the weight come off from diet and exercise alone and add an ECA stack when it stalls, then switch from ECA to Clen when the ECA stalls. While doing this keep working on my mental health so I can get out of the house to workout more times per week. I prefer LISS so trying for the weight-vest walks working up to 7x/week for 1hr each should add some more lost calories and aid in recovery like when I used to use it during some cycles of 5/3/1 when I was a powerlifter a decade ago.

I work from home so right now all I care about is getting my body back to the shape it used to be in. I'm finally motivated and have definitely noticed an improvement to my depressive symptoms this week.

I have Test E, Mast E, EQ, Tren Ace on hand but I'm open to some suggestions on maximizing fat loss when it comes to additional compounds. I also have clen on hand too but I've never used it so I want to see if its even needed on top of the AAS.

I'm leaning toward adding the Mast E into the mix at 500mg/week and MAYBE add Tren at a low dose since I lean out so well with it but haven't touched it in six years after it caused a relationship breakdown due to jealousy. I'm hesitant with the Tren since I don't want to hurt my current relationship. If I do add it in it'll be probably low like 30mg/day and maybe slowly test tolerance for mental sides up to 50mg/day max.

I've never touched orals but I'm intrigued by Anavar and Winstrol but hesitant to go down the orals road.

I like the idea of Primo but don't know how much to run and if it would even be worth it to bother running it alongside Mast or solo with Test.

Any constructive suggestions or insight is more than welcome.

Thanks in advance guys!

 

[WannaBeBIG]

Got impatient with myself and made the decision to run 400mg/wk Mast E with 140mg/wk Tren A and ramp up from there to 350mg/wk.

I frontloaded Mast E yesterday prior to my regular injections planned for today with 1g. I'm probably going to drop Aromasin this week and maybe next so I don't crash E2 too badly.

I'm going to ride this out for 10 more weeks and see where I end up at the end.

 

[EJ1739]

So I got hit hard by the pandemic and haven't stepped into a gym in over two years. I got fat! fattest I've ever been. A change was needed.

For my 5th cycle (First one in 3 years) I have cutting as the goal as I am sitting at 26% bodyfat when I used to walk around at 9% 185lbs a few years ago. I'm now 225lbs and 5'7" for reference.

I am on legit TRT at 150mg/week Test but the last year and a bit where I saw the most fat gain I was really bad with doing my injections, sometimes going a month between shots. I also lost access to my endo so my HCG and AI scripts ran out and I wasn't able to get them refilled. I'm meeting with a new Endo in a couple weeks to get back on track with HCG and estrogen control.

For the last two years I haven't tracked my macros after doing it for like ten years and ate well with meal kits 3x/week and UberEats :burgers and pizza a couple times a week. Clearly it added up.

A month ago I said enough is enough and made up a solid meal plan with a caloric deficit of around 450 calories per day with no deviation or cheat meals. It's similar to how I used to eat a few years ago so it all feels familiar.

A few weeks ago I started going back to the gym and have only been able to get there a couple times due to poor mental health. Aside from the exercise I have a pretty sedentary home life which I'm trying to address with potential daily 1hr weight-vest walks with my dog but I have a lot of trouble leaving the house so the walks are a goal in progress.

Two weeks ago I began 500mg/week Test E with a frontload and am thinking about adding in other compounds to aid in fat loss. I'm still somewhat muscular and muscle memory will come back after a few months in the gym so I want to aid the process along in every way possible.

My primary goal is fat loss with muscle retention.

Right now I want to dial in the cycle while watching the weight come off from diet and exercise alone and add an ECA stack when it stalls, then switch from ECA to Clen when the ECA stalls. While doing this keep working on my mental health so I can get out of the house to workout more times per week. I prefer LISS so trying for the weight-vest walks working up to 7x/week for 1hr each should add some more lost calories and aid in recovery like when I used to use it during some cycles of 5/3/1 when I was a powerlifter a decade ago.

I work from home so right now all I care about is getting my body back to the shape it used to be in. I'm finally motivated and have definitely noticed an improvement to my depressive symptoms this week.

I have Test E, Mast E, EQ, Tren Ace on hand but I'm open to some suggestions on maximizing fat loss when it comes to additional compounds. I also have clen on hand too but I've never used it so I want to see if its even needed on top of the AAS.

I'm leaning toward adding the Mast E into the mix at 500mg/week and MAYBE add Tren at a low dose since I lean out so well with it but haven't touched it in six years after it caused a relationship breakdown due to jealousy. I'm hesitant with the Tren since I don't want to hurt my current relationship. If I do add it in it'll be probably low like 30mg/day and maybe slowly test tolerance for mental sides up to 50mg/day max.

I've never touched orals but I'm intrigued by Anavar and Winstrol but hesitant to go down the orals road.

I like the idea of Primo but don't know how much to run and if it would even be worth it to bother running it alongside Mast or solo with Test.

Any constructive suggestions or insight is more than welcome.

Thanks in advance guys!

Body Recomposition
I have had no time to bulk and then cut this year. I was about 94kg/207lbs and had 4 months out the gym from a hand injury. I am/was fat. I find the best way to build muscle and drop fat. is just to eat the amount of calories that you eat when you are at your perfect weight and size. So, I was eating loads of shit probably 3-4000kcals a day. Now I am eating 2500kcal with 800mgs of test 400 (rather than 400 Test, 400 Tren) as I know this is what I eat when I am lean as fook and have decent amount of size... it is then just a waiting game as you slowly recomp your body. As you are not slowly decreasing calories it is good to have a 2 day refeed to maintenance, every 3-4 weeks. I know this way I can and am building mass and the weight is slowly dropping off. Tbh I was eating about 3000 calories for the first month to get more size on quicker. I may or may not have the size I want, but it's sure as hell better than nothing.
How many kcals are you eating just out of interest?

Never thought about using a weighted vest as I do a lot of walking when cutting - so thanks, as I will get one of these.

Sorry to hear about your mental health brother. I think most of us are suffering at the moment. As someone who has screwed up their relationship (the love of my life) in the past with Tren from cheating. I would probably give this a miss. You said yourself it affects you and if you are already suffering with your mental health, I would be cautious. I am not taking Tren this year because I am stuck in a bad position, that is going to be difficult to get out of and I know I will turn into a prick haha. When I have suffered in the past I used to wear a baseball cap to hide under. I do this as well if I do not want to be bothered in the gym.

 

[WannaBeBIG]

Thanks for sharing @Elliott! Your way of dieting to recomp is absolutely effective and when I was a personal trainer in the past I would always say "eat for the body you want, not the one you have" similar to what you're describing. I think it would be possible to recomp on this cycle but really my goal is to lose 15% bodyfat while preserving muscle. I've got about 30lbs to lose and wanted to do it in 4 months or so but I think it will take longer than that as even with my large caloric deficit I'm potentially only going to lose about a pound and a half a week if I'm diligent with my meals ( I struggle with appetite so eating is a chore)

Jim Wendler the creator of the 5/3/1 powerlifting program is a huge proponent of weight vest walks for conditioning. Counts as LISS cardio and is good for the heart and with the added load of a vest it's challenging for the muscles, especially the upper back/traps/abs. Back when I was a powerlifter I worked up to 45lbs for an hour a day and was able to stay very lean despite eating like shit and being an alcoholic. I'd say if you can handle the time commitment it will pay off enormously!

I'm 2 weeks into the Tren up to 210mg a week and so far so good!

My goal of losing weight was shortsighted and based on nothing important. What matters is my bodyfat percentage and although I've been on cycle for 3 weeks and in a calorie deficit for a month I've gained 5lbs and dropped 4% bodyfat. Not what I was expecting when checking out the scale and bf device but it's really too soon to tell if this cycle will lead to some muscle gains too vs just preserving it.

 

[EJ1739]

Yes, I totally agree it takes much longer to lose that damn fat haha. Yeah, I always start to see satisfyingly visible results around the 8-12 week mark when trying to drop fat. I know I shouldn't, but I will use DNP this year maybe twice for 10-14 days at a time. It has always done wonders for me in the past. I remember when I was 17 my gym buddy, also 17 who was juiced up to his eyeballs said "Eat for the body you want, not the one you have". Great, but simple explanation for your goals.

I am defo going to try these weighted vests. I am trying to think logically here, it means that I wont have to do as much walking to get the same results, as I now have a daughter so time is limited. I have always loved walking for cardio, I remember doing 51 miles over 6 days a few years ago, it may have been during lockdown. It was so therapeutic walking around my town and through the forests and fields etc, with the heatwave.

I have a question as you are/were a power lifter. I have always trained to be a body builder, but I have had an obsession to shoulder press 140kg using dumbbells for years. I am not by any means super strong, but I do feel that I am slightly stronger than the average body builder who takes things pretty seriously, I am 5"9 and was about 231lbs/105kg a bit of it was fat, maybe 10kg/22lbs. I was up to 65kg dumbbells either side and strangely able to get them up myself, I think because they were very long old school weights, like what Ronnie C uses in his old videos, when balanced on my knee there was less distance to get them up as the grips were higher. I was off work on Furlough because of COVID and I was eating absolute shit! Massive Chinese takeaways every night (to the point where I would ring and know exactly what my order was) and drinking 3/4 of a litre of vodka every night for about a month waking up with hangovers, 3 shits every morning in the space of an hour, so bloated I could hardly breathe. My strength went through the roof and I was only on 4-600mgs of test. I never made it to 70kg either side as they then re-shut gyms. I was so pissed as I was so close to that 140kg dumbbell shoulder press, I train alone but I even asked my buddy to come along to film it when the time was right, so that I had proof. Now my question is why when I am stuffing my face with shit and drinking stupid amounts for such a long time was I able to lift that weight? It felt like if I drank the night before I would be able to lift more?

 

[WannaBeBIG]

Weighted vests are awesome. It's like you became fatter overnight and have to drag the weight on your frame around the block a few times. It's humbling so I always tell people start low and slow, just like a new exercise.

Yes, I totally agree it takes much longer to lose that damn fat haha. Yeah, I always start to see satisfyingly visible results around the 8-12 week mark when trying to drop fat. I know I shouldn't, but I will use DNP this year maybe twice for 10-14 days at a time. It has always done wonders for me in the past. I remember when I was 17 my gym buddy, also 17 who was juiced up to his eyeballs said "Eat for the body you want, not the one you have". Great, but simple explanation for your goals.

I am defo going to try these weighted vests. I am trying to think logically here, it means that I wont have to do as much walking to get the same results, as I now have a daughter so time is limited. I have always loved walking for cardio, I remember doing 51 miles over 6 days a few years ago, it may have been during lockdown. It was so therapeutic walking around my town and through the forests and fields etc, with the heatwave.

I have a question as you are/were a power lifter. I have always trained to be a body builder, but I have had an obsession to shoulder press 140kg using dumbbells for years. I am not by any means super strong, but I do feel that I am slightly stronger than the average body builder who takes things pretty seriously, I am 5"9 and was about 231lbs/105kg a bit of it was fat, maybe 10kg/22lbs. I was up to 65kg dumbbells either side and strangely able to get them up myself, I think because they were very long old school weights, like what Ronnie C uses in his old videos, when balanced on my knee there was less distance to get them up as the grips were higher. I was off work on Furlough because of COVID and I was eating absolute shit! Massive Chinese takeaways every night (to the point where I would ring and know exactly what my order was) and drinking 3/4 of a litre of vodka every night for about a month waking up with hangovers, 3 shits every morning in the space of an hour, so bloated I could hardly breathe. My strength went through the roof and I was only on 4-600mgs of test. I never made it to 70kg either side as they then re-shut gyms. I was so pissed as I was so close to that 140kg dumbbell shoulder press, I train alone but I even asked my buddy to come along to film it when the time was right, so that I had proof. Now my question is why when I am stuffing my face with shit and drinking stupid amounts for such a long time was I able to lift that weight? It felt like if I drank the night before I would be able to lift more?

Honestly man nothing about powerlifting in my experience has given me the knowledge to answer that question for you. I have a suspicion that you would have indeed been slightly stronger if you were eating well and not drinking like a fish lol, but your poor eating and drinking habit wasn't going to sabotage your gains all that much.

I've known many people over the years who built impressive physiques or could run miles and miles but were full blown alcoholics or ate junk food almost every day. I think we're pretty adaptable creatures and exercise is just a physical stressor and even with your drinking and eating your body could handle the stress and still perform well.

I know a lot of powerlifters who do a lot of overhead work to supplement their Bench gains and most stick to overhead press with a barbell and do some pump work with lower weight dumbbells. Think about the lift you want and the weight you're obsessed with 140kg. You're not far off from that so gains could come from muscle growth, CNS efficiency, or technique to get you to your goal. If you really want to get your shoulder press up there, you need to specialize in that exercise for several weeks to bust through that plateau of yours.

Check out this article Shoulder press program

 

[WannaBeBIG]

So I'm on the fence today about quitting this cycle way early. I'm into week 3 and the last couple days I've had a mid-day headache so today I pulled out my BP cuff and took a couple readings.

I had had 4 coffees, Had been vaping, and was pretty anxious about an appointment in the afternoon but I still checked my BP and it was 155/85.

I am calling my GP in the morning to make a virtual appointment to get on a blood pressure medication since I am not happy with that number at all. I've always had higher blood pressure around 130-140/80 but I think it runs higher these days because of my anxiety disorder and the coffee/vaping addictions. I am pretty concerned it's so high

I really don't want to quit this cycle but I might go back to the drawing board and try again once I'm already well on my way with the fat loss done at TRT levels.

Fuck

 

[Ryu82]

Keep us updated.

Honestly, I would drop the tren as it can be rough on BP, keep the test and mast lol and add in something for your BP. See if that does it.

 

[WannaBeBIG]

Keep us updated.

Honestly, I would drop the tren as it can be rough on BP, keep the test and mast lol and add in something for your BP. See if that does it.

Yeah I’m definitely dropping the tren starting tomorrow and dropping dose of test and mast starting Sunday when I pin next. I’m thinking 300 test 200 mast. Almost half the dose I started with but it might help in the short term?

 

[Ryu82]

It will help and is a start. You could even go 200/200 for that nice 1:1

Hopefully you get it sorted out.

 

[TrenTrenTren]

Jealousy on Tren? Never experienced it. For me, it was the opposite. I just focused on getting so much pussy, that jealousy didn't have time to take root in my mind

 

[WannaBeBIG]

Jealousy on Tren? Never experienced it. For me, it was the opposite. I just focused on getting so much pussy, that jealousy didn't have time to take root in my mind

I've read about jealousy a lot in terms of Tren cycles and I think Tren just enhances insecurity already in a relationship. I know for me in the past with high dose Tren I got very jealous but I also didn't feel like I was in a secure relationship. Thankfully now I am in a solid relationship so jealousy might be just a problem with the past. My biggest fear was of course the shorter fuse that comes with higher doses. My last blast six years ago I was almost arrested for road rage and there is of course some fear there that my old anger issues would come back after all these years.

So I thought a lot on my doses last night and I'm just going to play it safe and go back to my TRT protocol of 150mg/wk. Dropping the Mast and switching from Aromasin back to Arimidex and regroup to plan to do this same blast in the future with better accommodations for my health

 

[EJ1739]

I've read about jealousy a lot in terms of Tren cycles and I think Tren just enhances insecurity already in a relationship. I know for me in the past with high dose Tren I got very jealous but I also didn't feel like I was in a secure relationship. Thankfully now I am in a solid relationship so jealousy might be just a problem with the past. My biggest fear was of course the shorter fuse that comes with higher doses. My last blast six years ago I was almost arrested for road rage and there is of course some fear there that my old anger issues would come back after all these years.

So I thought a lot on my doses last night and I'm just going to play it safe and go back to my TRT protocol of 150mg/wk. Dropping the Mast and switching from Aromasin back to Arimidex and regroup to plan to do this same blast in the future with better accommodations for my health

Tren does the opposite for me, I turn into a cheating bastard and will fuck and do fuck as many girls as possible. I cannot focus on anythinggg. My sex drive no matter how many times I bang or tug, I get no relief.

I also get road rage horrendously! I also get roid rage but mainly when protecting or sticking up for people. It defo fucks with me but only in terms of anger.

 

[WannaBeBIG]

So it's been ten days since I dropped my dose to just 150mg/wk Test E only and haven't seen an improvement in my blood pressure. Had a meeting with my doctor yesterday and he didn't seem to concerned about average of 155/90 over the past couple weeks.

He said it's likely a combination of all the caffeine/nicotine/ADD medication and microdosing psilocybin coupled with high anxiety thats causing the high BP.

So no medication yet. He's having me log 4 BP readings daily for a month until our next appointment. We'll reevaluate end of March. I'm leaning toward just going on a medication to help lower it since I have an ongoing intake for an esketamine clinic to get my depression under control finally after years of suffering and they will pause the medical portion if I'm at all hypertensive and make me wait for treatment until it lowers.

Right now I'm taking about 5g of fish oil a day and think I'll introduce some black seed oil to see about lowering it without meds. I know exercise is the best thing but that's not a silver bullet that works quickly either.

Fuck

 

[EJ1739]

If it makes you feel any better I have had about 20 readings all around this reading on both arms(194/119). I know it is ADD meds plus Test 400 plus a few other things. I have possibly been peaking at this during the day for the last 6 months... (face palm).

No anxiety, as you can see my heart rate is 76 and I was at my desk. Got my colleague to have a go, came back all normal ranges for her. it has been about an hour and it has come back down to 151/86 (still high).

Time to start taking life a bit more seriously and get this sorted. Glad I went out to get a new monitor for £35 - the same price as a vial of gear.

I am glad the new generation are more about getting into shape rather than mass monsters, but I do think health and regularly checking as many markers as possible on a weekly basis, should be part of a bro science prescription when taking gear. Regardless, of this being mainly to do with ADD meds, some of it will be the gear.

FYI - I know how serious this is.

 

[Mondo54]

When you say your taking 1g a week. I’m confused. If 1ml = 10mg. And 1000mg to make 1g. So this adds up to like a IV drip of juice. Lol. Can you explain 1g. Or is it 1000mg of X compound. If so a 200mg of Deca would be 5cc a week 1 vial every 2 weeks.

 

[WannaBeBIG]

When you say your taking 1g a week. I’m confused. If 1ml = 10mg. And 1000mg to make 1g. So this adds up to like a IV drip of juice. Lol. Can you explain 1g. Or is it 1000mg of X compound. If so a 200mg of Deca would be 5cc a week 1 vial every 2 weeks.

Sorry man I'm failing to see what exactly you're referring to. I only referenced 1gram of gear once and that was for frontloading Mast E. Now if you're talking about total mg of the compounds that I was running it was pretty close to a gram total with 500mg Test E, 400mg Mast E and 210mg Tren A. Is that what you're talking about?

Deca is usually dosed at 300mg/ml so I don't even know where you came up with 5cc equalling 200mg. Is pharma Deca dosed at 40mg/ml or something? If so, it's news to me!

If it makes you feel any better I have had about 20 readings all around this reading on both arms(194/119). I know it is ADD meds plus Test 400 plus a few other things. I have possibly been peaking at this during the day for the last 6 months... (face palm).

No anxiety, as you can see my heart rate is 76 and I was at my desk. Got my colleague to have a go, came back all normal ranges for her. it has been about an hour and it has come back down to 151/86 (still high).

Time to start taking life a bit more seriously and get this sorted. Glad I went out to get a new monitor for £35 - the same price as a vial of gear.

I am glad the new generation are more about getting into shape rather than mass monsters, but I do think health and regularly checking as many markers as possible on a weekly basis, should be part of a bro science prescription when taking gear. Regardless, of this being mainly to do with ADD meds, some of it will be the gear.

FYI - I know how serious this is.

Take the wrist measurements with a grain of salt as wrist devices will usually throw a higher sys/dia number by 10 points. Your number is probably closer to 184/109. Still that's really fucking high!

Are you on vyvanse? Ritalin? My estrogen control was on point for my cycle so I know it wasn't causing high BP due to bloat or anything but how was your estrogen at 800mg Test? Hows your stress levels typically? Do you have sleep apnea?

 

[EJ1739]

Sorry man I'm failing to see what exactly you're referring to. I only referenced 1gram of gear once and that was for frontloading Mast E. Now if you're talking about total mg of the compounds that I was running it was pretty close to a gram total with 500mg Test E, 400mg Mast E and 210mg Tren A. Is that what you're talking about?

Deca is usually dosed at 300mg/ml so I don't even know where you came up with 5cc equalling 200mg. Is pharma Deca dosed at 40mg/ml or something? If so, it's news to me!


Take the wrist measurements with a grain of salt as wrist devices will usually throw a higher sys/dia number by 10 points. Your number is probably closer to 184/109. Still that's really fucking high!

Are you on vyvanse? Ritalin? My estrogen control was on point for my cycle so I know it wasn't causing high BP due to bloat or anything but how was your estrogen at 800mg Test? Hows your stress levels typically? Do you have sleep apnea?

Yes, I have sleep apnea that is treated due to the shape of the inside of my mouth, doesn't matter what weight I am. I have been using a CPAP for about 8 years. Stress levels are on and off. I can only get Nolva at the moment so I am taking 0.5 every day and occasionally 1mg as I am not sure if its real, my face feels a bit bloated around my eyes. Yes, although I am limiting my Elvanse/Vyvanse and Ritalin as I am now back out on the road for work and don't need it as much when I am meeting clients etc.

I tried the wrist BP monitor in the evening and found out that it needs to be level with your heart (which it was at this reading). Even, resting it on my lap gave me an extra 20 on my Systolic, compared to resting my arm at heart level... bit shit really! Keeping an eye on it as evenings seem to be pretty normal around 120/80, but during the day it seems to be higher which is probably caused by the stimulants.

 

[WannaBeBIG]

Yes, I have sleep apnea that is treated due to the shape of the inside of my mouth, doesn't matter what weight I am. I have been using a CPAP for about 8 years. Stress levels are on and off. I can only get Nolva at the moment so I am taking 0.5 every day and occasionally 1mg as I am not sure if its real, my face feels a bit bloated around my eyes. Yes, although I am limiting my Elvanse/Vyvanse and Ritalin as I am now back out on the road for work and don't need it as much when I am meeting clients etc.

I tried the wrist BP monitor in the evening and found out that it needs to be level with your heart (which it was at this reading). Even, resting it on my lap gave me an extra 20 on my Systolic, compared to resting my arm at heart level... bit shit really! Keeping an eye on it as evenings seem to be pretty normal around 120/80, but during the day it seems to be higher which is probably caused by the stimulants.

I use a CPAP too and think it's a great tool for sleep since BP can raise while we sleep significantly with apnea. By Nolva do you mean Arimidex? I haven't seen Nolva sold in such low doses before. Bloating can definitely cause BP issues. How's your salt/potassium intake like, especially while on the road for work?

I'm sure dropping your dose of ADD meds will help lower your BP a bit. I'm on 50mg Vyvanse and I really should have tracked in Aug when I started taking it since I suspect most of my BP issues are stemming from its use. It's been a few weeks since I stopped my blast and have been consistently ran 155/100 since yesterday when I logged a 135/80. I have a feeling my BP may be lowering finally but it was only one reading so I don't know how it will trend into today moving forward. I'm still wanting to jump back on blast so after my bloodwork Tuesday I'm going to restart my cycle and address the BP with medication at the end of the month. I'm going to ask for a script for Telmisartan at 40mg and do more cardio to keep BP moving in the right direction.

I can see how you're getting lower readings in the evening as thats probably when your ADD meds are starting to wear off. What is your BP like when you first wake up in the morning before Coffee, Meds etc?

 

[EJ1739]

I use a CPAP too and think it's a great tool for sleep since BP can raise while we sleep significantly with apnea. By Nolva do you mean Arimidex? I haven't seen Nolva sold in such low doses before. Bloating can definitely cause BP issues. How's your salt/potassium intake like, especially while on the road for work?

I'm sure dropping your dose of ADD meds will help lower your BP a bit. I'm on 50mg Vyvanse and I really should have tracked in Aug when I started taking it since I suspect most of my BP issues are stemming from its use. It's been a few weeks since I stopped my blast and have been consistently ran 155/100 since yesterday when I logged a 135/80. I have a feeling my BP may be lowering finally but it was only one reading so I don't know how it will trend into today moving forward. I'm still wanting to jump back on blast so after my bloodwork Tuesday I'm going to restart my cycle and address the BP with medication at the end of the month. I'm going to ask for a script for Telmisartan at 40mg and do more cardio to keep BP moving in the right direction.

I can see how you're getting lower readings in the evening as thats probably when your ADD meds are starting to wear off. What is your BP like when you first wake up in the morning before Coffee, Meds etc?

Sorry, Tamoxifen/Nolva at 10mg per day. They are 20mg tabs that I snap in half. I have started taking them every other day and haven't really noticed a difference.

As I am cutting/recomping - I eat nothing but white rice, white potato's, Chicken, Salmon, Beef, Banana, Broccoli and Blueberries + A multi-vitamin 2500 cals per day - weight isn't changing but I am defo getting bigger which means the recomp is working. I sprinkle a bit of salt on every meal, maybe a pinch full. I am drinking a lot of water though between 2-4 litres per day. I am also extremely strict, if the food doesn't go into My Fitness Pal, I do not eat it. I am obsessed with tracking everything when cutting.

Yes, defo, my blood pressure is a lot lower when the Vyvanse is wearing off. I do think I need something to keep it lower though with meds. Do you find when the Vyvanse wears off you get cranky? I had a bad day the other day that I can only compare to when I have had a really bad/ragey day taking 600mgs of Tren and 1000mgs of test. Stopped taking the Vyvanse and the next day I was fine... it legit felt like I was on Tren.