First cycle advice on high bf%

[Sadiri]

Hey guys, been a long-time lurker and finally decided to man up, make an account, and make my first post.

I know the title is probably infuriating some guys already, but please bear with me.

I am a 24-year-old, D1 football d-lineman at an FCS program in the northeast. Seeing as my next season will be my last (and finding out way more guys in our league are on gear than I could have ever imagined), I've been studying and researching AAS for the last few months in order to do my first cycle this upcoming summer as efficiently and safely as possible.

My question would be regarding my high bf% and the use of AAS. Although I've been lifting for nearly a decade, and consider my strength level on the advanced side of the spectrum, at 6'4 265lbs, I'd say my bf% stands in the high 20s. I'm unable to cut weight due to the fact that it would greatly reduce my level of play on the field. I'm afraid of estrogen levels being impossible to manage, and the increased risks of other side effects (gyno, etc). Not sure if doing a 15-20 lbs natty cut to reduce bf% then starting a cycle would be of any help.

At the moment, thinking of running the following:
500mg of test E a week (Every 3.5 days), for 15 weeks.
20mgs Nolva, 25mg Clomid for 6-8 weeks.
Doing bloods before, during, and after cycle.

Any advice on my "unique" scenario will be greatly appreciated. Like I said before, my priority is to run a cycle as safely as possible, and if that means not running one at all then so be it, I respect the experience and knowledge of this forum too much to go against it lol.

 

[Jestopherson]

What's your goal for the cycle?

 

[Sadiri]

What's your goal for the cycle?

To increase my strength as much as possible.

 

[GuerillaPete]

Depends a lot if you guys get tested or not it would change the whole approach !
With your body fat you could recomp or cut but as you suggested the cut can negatively affect performance !
Test deca eq primo is a good performace enhancement stack.
500 mg of test on its own might be to little for you you are a big guy!
Whats your past Aas history? Last cycle?

 

[Jestopherson]

Depends a lot if you guys get tested or not it would change the whole approach !
With your body fat you could recomp or cut but as you suggested the cut can negatively affect performance !
Test deca eq primo is a good performace enhancement stack.
500 mg of test on its own might be to little for you you are a big guy!
Whats your past Aas history? Last cycle?

Nothing. It's his first cycle. 500 would provide a great boost paired with some tbol while eating at or just above maintenance

 

[Jestopherson]

To increase my strength as much as possible.

Eat at or slightly above maintenance and possibly add a dry oral like tbol or var towards the end for a finisher and final boost

 

[Sadiri]

Depends a lot if you guys get tested or not it would change the whole approach !
With your body fat you could recomp or cut but as you suggested the cut can negatively affect performance !
Test deca eq primo is a good performace enhancement stack.
500 mg of test on its own might be to little for you you are a big guy!
Whats your past Aas history? Last cycle?

Testing is not an issue at our school (smaller fcs, more academic-focused institution, therefore not a lot of attention/money being made on atheltics).

Although the cut would negatively impact performance, I can be a little underweight during the off-season. Just wanna make sure I come in next fall at around 265-75. More than that and I could start losing some agility/speed, and any less I'd just get thrown around by 300lbs lineman.

Have been told 500mg might be a small dose for my size but I'd rather be conservative since it would be my first ever cycle and experience with AAS. Was thinking of doing a 500mg cycle this winter, then access results and do another cycle during the summer, based on results from the winter.

 

[Jestopherson]

Testing is not an issue at our school (smaller fcs, more academic-focused institution, therefore not a lot of attention/money being made on atheltics).

Although the cut would negatively impact performance, I can be a little underweight during the off-season. Just wanna make sure I come in next fall at around 265-75. More than that and I could start losing some agility/speed, and any less I'd just get thrown around by 300lbs lineman.

Have been told 500mg might be a small dose for my size but I'd rather be conservative since it would be my first ever cycle and experience with AAS. Was thinking of doing a 500mg cycle this winter, then access results and do another cycle during the summer, based on results from the winter.

Well considering you don't produce 500mg of test naturally and you're able to maintain what you have naturally. 500mg would be a huge boost

 

[Ninjaturtle2020]

If I was trying to increase mass while reducing fat I'd take ~300mg testosterone and 25-50mg anavar/day.

I saw you plan for 15weeks, you could take anavar the last 6 or so.

 

[GuerillaPete]

500 test might give you high estrogen becouse you are high body fat also so you will need an ai witch can screw up a first cycle!
As much as many say for a first cycle take just test only i would say you would be better of with a combo of test deca primo or test deca mast
Deca is good for joints and allows you to train harder i would sugest 200-300 of this
Test should be your base to make you function and have good drive 300 mg would be a good starting point and gage from there
Primo a mild compound witch will benefit you overall with imunity,drive,conditioning.
A conservative dose of 300 would be enough.
You could switch the primo to EQ at 250-300mg per week
If its your last season and what to dominate i would start here:
300 test , 200 deca, 300 primo( maybe add eq)
This is 800 mg of total anabolics you are a big guy and i feel this would be the safest and yet a good performance stack!
Because its your first cycle many would say do test only and if you have time to play around this is a smart approach.
Starting with 500 than bumping to 750 mg mid way! You will have to watch the estrogen on this one and getting it to low WiLL impact performance ,drive and joints and ligaments in a negative way! Getting it to high will give gyno(bitch tits ) for some!
High bodyfat and high estrogen is bad stuff!

 

[GuerillaPete]

If I was trying to increase mass while reducing fat I'd take ~300mg testosterone and 25-50mg anavar/day.

I saw you plan for 15weeks, you could take anavar the last 6 or so.

Its hard to run on anavar tho…..

 

[Ninjaturtle2020]

Its hard to run on anavar tho…..

I did cardio fine but I'm not sure about the sports. He's already a high level athlete I can't imagine it hindering his performance. Especially with the extra glycogen and bs.

Though I have read people have issues running and or with cramps/pumps

 

[Perrin Aybara]

Run the 500mg of test and finish with Var the last 4-6 weeks. Have AI on hand and get bloodwork done. Even if you're already advanced on your lifts you will gain a lot of strength if you train and eat.

If you're wanting to come in the same weight or only 10lbs higher next year might be worth doing a little cut before the cycle, say to like 255lbs. You really want to eat and take advantage of the gear for max strength gains and recovery. Cutting after while natty would wipe out most of the strength gains. This is an off season cycle?

 

[Jestopherson]

500 test might give you high estrogen becouse you are high body fat also so you will need an ai witch can screw up a first cycle!
As much as many say for a first cycle take just test only i would say you would be better of with a combo of test deca primo or test deca mast
Deca is good for joints and allows you to train harder i would sugest 200-300 of this
Test should be your base to make you function and have good drive 300 mg would be a good starting point and gage from there
Primo a mild compound witch will benefit you overall with imunity,drive,conditioning.
A conservative dose of 300 would be enough.
You could switch the primo to EQ at 250-300mg per week
If its your last season and what to dominate i would start here:
300 test , 200 deca, 300 primo( maybe add eq)
This is 800 mg of total anabolics you are a big guy and i feel this would be the safest and yet a good performance stack!
Because its your first cycle many would say do test only and if you have time to play around this is a smart approach.
Starting with 500 than bumping to 750 mg mid way! You will have to watch the estrogen on this one and getting it to low WiLL impact performance ,drive and joints and ligaments in a negative way! Getting it to high will give gyno(bitch tits ) for some!
High bodyfat and high estrogen is bad stuff!

However deca(nandrolone) can increase e2 expression making sides hard to combat especially since it also aromatizes. Which is significant considering its his first cycle

So test/primo would be far better for a first go. Especially since he wants to pct off and not be cruising for several months.

 

[GuerillaPete]

However deca(nandrolone) can increase e2 expression making sides hard to combat especially since it also aromatizes. Which is significant considering its his first cycle

So test/primo would be far better for a first go. Especially since he wants to pct off and not be cruising for several months.

Deca 200-300 dont have to worry about that
600-900 maybe but never saw it just internet mambo jumbo i say!
I have trained for athletic performance deca is very good !
Only reason every athlete is not on low dose deca is its detection time of 2 years+
Pct is harder with deca true if that is considered !
Performance will drop with pct also

 

[Ninjaturtle2020]

Get a dxa scan too so you can track your body composition. It really puts things in perspective. I have my 3rd one tomorrow morning.

 

[Jestopherson]

Deca 200-300 dont have to worry about that
600-900 maybe but never saw it just internet mambo jumbo i say!
I have trained for athletic performance deca is very good !
Only reason every athlete is not on low dose deca is its detection time of 2 years+
Pct is harder with deca true if that is considered !
Performance will drop with pct also

400npp gave me limp dick. Insomnia, night sweats, anxiety, and early stage gyno. While running 400 mast with 0.5mg caber m/w/f. With 0.5mg adex m/w/f. Theres always outliers which is my reasoning for thinking it'd be a bad idea for a first go, but most of this shit is personal experience and we can both be right based off that. That's why we're here.

Up to op to decide what lines up with his goals. Can't argue that nandrolone is a good compound though

 

[Sadiri]

Run the 500mg of test and finish with Var the last 4-6 weeks. Have AI on hand and get bloodwork done. Even if you're already advanced on your lifts you will gain a lot of strength if you train and eat.

If you're wanting to come in the same weight or only 10lbs higher next year might be worth doing a little cut before the cycle, say to like 255lbs. You really want to eat and take advantage of the gear for max strength gains and recovery. Cutting after while natty would wipe out most of the strength gains. This is an off season cycle?

Yes, this would be an off-season cycle. Our season is currently ongoing but it will be done within a month. I have until next August to prepare. I'd ideally wanna start next season at 265. Afraid if I start the cycle at this weight id gain too much weight, even with a smart cycle and small defecit. I think the 10-15 lbs natty cut before the cycle is what i'll do

 

[Sadiri]

400npp gave me limp dick. Insomnia, night sweats, anxiety, and early stage gyno. While running 400 mast with 0.5mg caber m/w/f. With 0.5mg adex m/w/f. Theres always outliers which is my reasoning for thinking it'd be a bad idea for a first go, but most of this shit is personal experience and we can both be right based off that. That's why we're here.

Up to op to decide what lines up with his goals. Can't argue that nandrolone is a good compound though

Honestly just wanna keep it as simple as possible, especially since it's my first time using AAS. I'm sure later down the road I'd begin experimenting with certain compounds, but just wanna start with small steps. Test, var, and pct might be the most I'm willing to "diversify".

 

[GuerillaPete]

400npp gave me limp dick. Insomnia, night sweats, anxiety, and early stage gyno. While running 400 mast with 0.5mg caber m/w/f. With 0.5mg adex m/w/f. Theres always outliers which is my reasoning for thinking it'd be a bad idea for a first go, but most of this shit is personal experience and we can both be right based off that. That's why we're here.

Up to op to decide what lines up with his goals. Can't argue that nandrolone is a good compound though

How much test where you running?
Looks like crashed e2 and crashed prolactin to me!
Did you check this markers while having this problems you say?

Remember Broderick talking about this with football players they blast in the offseason to gain as much mass and strength as they can and than cruise in the season and try to maintain as long as possible then blast away next offseason .