I was thinking of doing a high dose 100mg anavar cycle with a test base. Im an endurance athlete and just want to get stronger. I run and swim 3-5 miles and 1-2 miles respectively ed. Any extra mass would be counter productive. Is this an okay cycle? Any other recommendations or thoughts? Concerns?
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First cycle anavar. Help much appreciated.
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ANYONE who believes 100mg of Var QD is necessary for ANY cycle has either never used quality oxanadrolone, bought their Var on Eroids, worships bro lore, or has NEVER read the Meso home page discussion on it's appropriate use and dosage.
Hi mate this is a post I found on another forum, its pretty helpful - this is not my post, just forwarding it! 
MYTHS
Myth #1 - Anavar will not suppress the HPTA.
False. Anavar, used in adequate dosages, will shut you down. To what degree you experience side effects of suppression (loss of libido, lethargy) is entirely dependent upon the individual and the dosages used.
Myth #2 - Var is a weak anabolic, and is not effective unless stacked with a more androgenic compound.
This could not be further from the truth. At dosages of 40mg a day and higher, anavar is incredibly effective at adding water free LBM. At around day 6-7, increased vascularity should become apparent (assuming your oxandrolone is legitimate in its dosing), and strength gains should start appearing around day 14.
If used during a clean bulk, gains of 10-20 pounds are possible. If cutting, you will maintain weight, or even put on 5-10 pounds (depending on the rate of fat loss/severity of diet). You will keep all of your gains with proper PCT.
Myth #3 - Anavar will not require any type of PCT.
This is one ive never understood. It's a pretty commonly known fact now that var is a suppressive compound. So why is it that some individuals still refuse to make a small investment in some clomid/nolva....this is your testicular function we're talking about. That said, PCT required for var is not as "heavy" as PCT for, say, a test/eq cycle. 15-20 days @ 50mg clomid should be sufficient.
LIBIDO
The only real issue of concern that i have found when running anavar alone is slight libido suppression. Anavar is suppressive enough to where you WILL feel a difference in your sex drive (and not for the better ) when using 40+mg a day. There are three options to counteract this.
#1 - Tribulus + Avena Sativa - Trib at 4-7g a day and Avena Sativa at 3-4g a day tend to help prevent any loss in performance or ability to get it up. However, using effective dosages is going to end up being as or more expensive than options 2 or 3...but its your call.
#2 - Proviron - If hairloss is an issue in your choice to use anavar, then you may want to avoid this one. But 25mg ED proviron, starting after week 2, will keep you rock hard. And it will help to harden up your muscles too .
#3 - Maintenance Test Dosage - Finally, you could choose to use testosterone to keep your willy in shape. At a dosage of around 200mg, split bi weekly, everything should keep running smoothly. Also, this will contribute to your gains much moreso than than options 1 or 2. I would keep nolva onhand on the off chance that you are severely gyno prone. Bloating should not be an issue at this dosage.
BENEFITS
Anavar is a badass drug. This is why.
#1 - Vascularity
Oxandrolone will make you veiny as all hell. And quickly. Look out for brand new bulging forearms veins by around day 6. If you are following a cutting regimen, expect new spider webs in your chest, shoulders and quads by around day 21.
#2 - Pumps
When on var, the pumps are constant. Bored sitting in class/at work? Do some unweighted calf raises. After about three minutes, your calves will be ready to pop. Youll be doing something like drinking a cup of water, and after a minute of holding it, your bi will be completely full and pumped. You may have to cut some sets short in the gym due to the painful pumpage.
#3 - Strength
Even when cutting, you can expect new strength gains every workout after about day 14-21.
#4 - Fat Loss
Anavar has been shown to contribute to accelerated fat loss in both subcutaneous and visceral fat, concentrated effects in the abdomen and thigh area. And if youve used the drug, you can attest to this...if you cant sport the 6-8 pack look on var, its not gonna happen .
CYCLE
Anavar should be run @ at least 40mg a day to see all of the benefits it offers. Dosages upwards of 80mg have been shown to exhibit diminishing returns. Also, i cant imagine the intensity of the pumps at that kind of dosage.
Cycle #1
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Tribulus 5-8g ED Weeks 1-12
Avena Sativa 2-4g ED Weeks 1-12
Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11
Cycle #2
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Proviron 25mg ED Weeks 3-8
Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11
Cycle #3
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Test Prop 50mg EOD Weeks 1-8
Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11
If bulking, Test Enanthate could be substituted for prop, and 100mg could be injected every 3-4 days...however, this could cause more bloating, and complicate PCT timing.
LIVER PROTECTION
Anavar is a 17 Alpha Alkylated steroid, and is toxic. It has been shown to be less toxic than other orals, and is even used as liver treatment for recovering alcoholics. Still, i would limit my time using it to 8 weeks, 10 at the most.
It would be beneficial to you liver to use several different OTC supplements during, and perhaps after your cycle. A few preventive measures never hurt anyone .
1 - Milk Thistle
The classic liver protectant herb.supposedly works by blocking the entrance of harmful substances to liver cells, and hastening their expulsion. Make sure there is a high standardization of Silymarin
2 - R ALA
A powerful antioxidant
3 - NAC
Supports liver function and production of l-glutathione
4 - Vitamin C and E
Antioxidants
5 - LOADS of water
Helps to flush out your entire system
LIPID PROTECTION
Anavar isnt going to kill your cholesterol levels like some drugs (winny being one of the worst), but it may put your LDL/HDL profiles outside of the normal range. There are a few things that help, but as long as your not using 60+mg daily or running it for more than 10 weeks, i would just use flax...
1 - Flax Oil
Consuming lots of omega fatty acids promotes overall health, as well as helping to keep your lipid profile from becoming too bad.
2 - Policosanol
Used at 20mg daily to keep your HDL (good cholesterol) levels from crashing, and your LDL from becoming too high.
3 - Niacin
Preferably the flush free variety. If you wish, niacin can be used at 1-2g ED for a short period post-cycle to normalize HDL levels. Do not use for more than 7-14 days, as liver toxicity can be an issue when using those dosages of niacin for long periods of tim
MYTHS
Myth #1 - Anavar will not suppress the HPTA.
False. Anavar, used in adequate dosages, will shut you down. To what degree you experience side effects of suppression (loss of libido, lethargy) is entirely dependent upon the individual and the dosages used.
Myth #2 - Var is a weak anabolic, and is not effective unless stacked with a more androgenic compound.
This could not be further from the truth. At dosages of 40mg a day and higher, anavar is incredibly effective at adding water free LBM. At around day 6-7, increased vascularity should become apparent (assuming your oxandrolone is legitimate in its dosing), and strength gains should start appearing around day 14.
If used during a clean bulk, gains of 10-20 pounds are possible. If cutting, you will maintain weight, or even put on 5-10 pounds (depending on the rate of fat loss/severity of diet). You will keep all of your gains with proper PCT.
Myth #3 - Anavar will not require any type of PCT.
This is one ive never understood. It's a pretty commonly known fact now that var is a suppressive compound. So why is it that some individuals still refuse to make a small investment in some clomid/nolva....this is your testicular function we're talking about. That said, PCT required for var is not as "heavy" as PCT for, say, a test/eq cycle. 15-20 days @ 50mg clomid should be sufficient.
LIBIDO
The only real issue of concern that i have found when running anavar alone is slight libido suppression. Anavar is suppressive enough to where you WILL feel a difference in your sex drive (and not for the better ) when using 40+mg a day. There are three options to counteract this.
#1 - Tribulus + Avena Sativa - Trib at 4-7g a day and Avena Sativa at 3-4g a day tend to help prevent any loss in performance or ability to get it up. However, using effective dosages is going to end up being as or more expensive than options 2 or 3...but its your call.
#2 - Proviron - If hairloss is an issue in your choice to use anavar, then you may want to avoid this one. But 25mg ED proviron, starting after week 2, will keep you rock hard. And it will help to harden up your muscles too .
#3 - Maintenance Test Dosage - Finally, you could choose to use testosterone to keep your willy in shape. At a dosage of around 200mg, split bi weekly, everything should keep running smoothly. Also, this will contribute to your gains much moreso than than options 1 or 2. I would keep nolva onhand on the off chance that you are severely gyno prone. Bloating should not be an issue at this dosage.
BENEFITS
Anavar is a badass drug. This is why.
#1 - Vascularity
Oxandrolone will make you veiny as all hell. And quickly. Look out for brand new bulging forearms veins by around day 6. If you are following a cutting regimen, expect new spider webs in your chest, shoulders and quads by around day 21.
#2 - Pumps
When on var, the pumps are constant. Bored sitting in class/at work? Do some unweighted calf raises. After about three minutes, your calves will be ready to pop. Youll be doing something like drinking a cup of water, and after a minute of holding it, your bi will be completely full and pumped. You may have to cut some sets short in the gym due to the painful pumpage.
#3 - Strength
Even when cutting, you can expect new strength gains every workout after about day 14-21.
#4 - Fat Loss
Anavar has been shown to contribute to accelerated fat loss in both subcutaneous and visceral fat, concentrated effects in the abdomen and thigh area. And if youve used the drug, you can attest to this...if you cant sport the 6-8 pack look on var, its not gonna happen .
CYCLE
Anavar should be run @ at least 40mg a day to see all of the benefits it offers. Dosages upwards of 80mg have been shown to exhibit diminishing returns. Also, i cant imagine the intensity of the pumps at that kind of dosage.
Cycle #1
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Tribulus 5-8g ED Weeks 1-12
Avena Sativa 2-4g ED Weeks 1-12
Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11
Cycle #2
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Proviron 25mg ED Weeks 3-8
Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11
Cycle #3
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Test Prop 50mg EOD Weeks 1-8
Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11
If bulking, Test Enanthate could be substituted for prop, and 100mg could be injected every 3-4 days...however, this could cause more bloating, and complicate PCT timing.
LIVER PROTECTION
Anavar is a 17 Alpha Alkylated steroid, and is toxic. It has been shown to be less toxic than other orals, and is even used as liver treatment for recovering alcoholics. Still, i would limit my time using it to 8 weeks, 10 at the most.
It would be beneficial to you liver to use several different OTC supplements during, and perhaps after your cycle. A few preventive measures never hurt anyone .
1 - Milk Thistle
The classic liver protectant herb.supposedly works by blocking the entrance of harmful substances to liver cells, and hastening their expulsion. Make sure there is a high standardization of Silymarin
2 - R ALA
A powerful antioxidant
3 - NAC
Supports liver function and production of l-glutathione
4 - Vitamin C and E
Antioxidants
5 - LOADS of water
Helps to flush out your entire system
LIPID PROTECTION
Anavar isnt going to kill your cholesterol levels like some drugs (winny being one of the worst), but it may put your LDL/HDL profiles outside of the normal range. There are a few things that help, but as long as your not using 60+mg daily or running it for more than 10 weeks, i would just use flax...
1 - Flax Oil
Consuming lots of omega fatty acids promotes overall health, as well as helping to keep your lipid profile from becoming too bad.
2 - Policosanol
Used at 20mg daily to keep your HDL (good cholesterol) levels from crashing, and your LDL from becoming too high.
3 - Niacin
Preferably the flush free variety. If you wish, niacin can be used at 1-2g ED for a short period post-cycle to normalize HDL levels. Do not use for more than 7-14 days, as liver toxicity can be an issue when using those dosages of niacin for long periods of tim
Because Oxanadrolone has been approved for medicinal use for at least 40 years there are innumerable studies which support it's anabolic efficacy at doses of 10-20mg per day. Unfortunately when higher doses were attempted, LFTs became elevated necessitating discontinuation.
However it's also important to realize essentially all the experimental cohorts involved patients in relatively poor health AND who had a NEGATIVE nitrogen balance. So it's not to surprising the involved patients developed some degree of cholestasis even at recommended doses. (If interested Google oxanadrolone use in either, burn, CA, or AIDS patients)
Ergo since hepatic repairative mechanisms are not hampered by a suppressed immune system or nutrition the benefit BB and or lifters achieve should be considerably HIGHER at recommended doses. Indeed that is my experience in those consuming QUALITY Var.
The dose? NO MORE THAN 50MG / day and that's being generous!
jim
I'd stick with the Var only regime and only consider the addition of TT (at a dose of no more the 250mg/wk) after running the Var for no less than FOUR weeks.
10 weeks of var? I wouldnt go so long, even though it's not as harsh as other orals.
I'd go 5-6 weeks max on var if I were you.
Voltrader
New Member
There are but you are going to have to do some reading. Trust me it is here but from personal experience nobody is going to just tell you. Ask the right questions read the threads completely and I am very confident that you will be all right. I think what some vets find annoying is if you have read any threads at all you should know better than asking the question you asked. Just one new guy trying to help another.
5-6 weeks it is. thank you. And you're right asking outright is frowned upon. its just astro is going private or something and biologic is out. pep has their thing going on and getm is not really getting back to me right now after a purchase. Im still trying to sift through it all.
ranman32566
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The only Test u should use is Test P...U won't retain that much water
Kind of funny,,, people want to run Test..Which makes u retain water,,,but want to use a cutting drug like Anavar...Results,,,,,one cancels the other out=waste of time and money
Endurance= EQ+Winny+ 250 mgs Test,,,That should fix u right up
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mr "dr" notice how no one ever said NECESSARY ....i done 100mg anavar cycles and yea its not necessary, yet it has amazing effects - but steroids are not necessary to gain muscle in general at all ...so you mr "dr" are putting words in his mouth he never said
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i can safely assume i have done more grams of anaavr then 75% of members here ...i wouldnt waste my time with any anavar {oxadrolone} cycle of 50mg and up any less then 6 week cycle of it - just from my experiences ...i done 3-4 months of 50-75mg anaavr only cycle before with about 2 grams milk thistle a day and felt great ...looked great ..balls nearly normal ..no sexual problems ...and lean gains that just kept coming and coming -
id recommend starting at 50mg per day anavar for ist week or 2 then go to 75mg and stay there - cycle of 8 weeks and ull truly see the effects of anavar ...- again this is from my personal usage with this is im not talking from copy and pasting books or out of my ass like some "drs" on here
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welcome volt and your correct - some people hate it when they ask a question that has been talked about in 5 other threads in the ast already - but me personally like to explain and try and help new people with my personal experiences - if i never done it i wont try and tell you how to ue it other then what i have read and will tell you i never done it myself ...but with anaavr i done more grams then ost anyone i know on here as its my #1 favorite hormone
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If you run a small amount say 20mg nolvadex a day or eod along with any test it will kill off most of the water retention and any gyno you might get ...so there is a easy very cheap fix to your water problem right there
ranman32566
New Member
Or Adex .5 aweek...if that don't work up it little by little
Yea Flounder you've probably used more recreational drugs than all members combined on this forum but that doesn't mean your an expert in the use of recreational drugs.
Now with regard to all those TONs of Var you have used, I've no doubt they were UGL oxanadrolone, prob being sold by Flounder Labs Inc, and the quality is a huge question mark.
So while you said you did X amount of Var, chances are you really used only HALF of what you believed.
No one has to suggest close to 100mg is the optimal dose of Var Flounder it''s been mentioned previously on Meso and elsewhere.
Fact is your 75mg dose of "experience" is getting close!
Shit Flounder how do you even know it's Var your taking, experience? Right I forgot about your boastful "experiences".
Lastly once again Flounder stop the recs UNLESS you can underline any comment of mine where I even remotely imply, suggest or state exogenous roids are "necessary" for anabolism, (what did you have a once in a lifetime epiphany) lol!
Jim
Now with regard to all those TONs of Var you have used, I've no doubt they were UGL oxanadrolone, prob being sold by Flounder Labs Inc, and the quality is a huge question mark.
So while you said you did X amount of Var, chances are you really used only HALF of what you believed.
No one has to suggest close to 100mg is the optimal dose of Var Flounder it''s been mentioned previously on Meso and elsewhere.
Fact is your 75mg dose of "experience" is getting close!
Shit Flounder how do you even know it's Var your taking, experience? Right I forgot about your boastful "experiences".
Lastly once again Flounder stop the recs UNLESS you can underline any comment of mine where I even remotely imply, suggest or state exogenous roids are "necessary" for anabolism, (what did you have a once in a lifetime epiphany) lol!
Jim
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true but arimidex is not cheap at all and nolvadex is very low cost and better for this situation i think
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WHERE DID I MENTION RECREATIONAL DRUGS "DR"?
THE OXANDROLONE I USED HAS ALWAYS COME IN RAW CHEMICAL POWDER FORM FROM CHEMICAL PHARM FACTORIES WITH PAPERWORK ANALYSIS INCLUDED ...BUT MAYBE ITS ALL FAKE AND IM JUST GETTING SOMETHING THAT DOES AND GIVES THE EXACT SAME EFFECTS AND MUSCLE BUILDING / FAT LOSS/ PUMPS AND BACK PUMPS AS ANAVAR?
PLEASE BE HONEST HAVE YOU PERSONALLY EVER USED OXANDROLONE {ANAVAR} AT ALL? IF NOT PLEASE BE SMART ENOUGH TO NOT GIVE ADVICE ABOUT SOMETHING YOU HAVE NEVER EXPERIENCED YOURSELF AND ONLY KNOW WHAT YOU COPY AND PASTE OVER THE INTERNET
YOU ALSO FORGOT TO MENTION YOU ARE A "DOCTOR" AT THE END OF YOUR LAST POST WHEN YOU SAID "JIM" SO EVERYONE KNOWS YOU ARE A "DOCTOR"[
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THE OXANDROLONE I USED HAS ALWAYS COME IN RAW CHEMICAL POWDER FORM FROM CHEMICAL PHARM FACTORIES WITH PAPERWORK ANALYSIS INCLUDED ...BUT MAYBE ITS ALL FAKE AND IM JUST GETTING SOMETHING THAT DOES AND GIVES THE EXACT SAME EFFECTS AND MUSCLE BUILDING / FAT LOSS/ PUMPS AND BACK PUMPS AS ANAVAR?
PLEASE BE HONEST HAVE YOU PERSONALLY EVER USED OXANDROLONE {ANAVAR} AT ALL? IF NOT PLEASE BE SMART ENOUGH TO NOT GIVE ADVICE ABOUT SOMETHING YOU HAVE NEVER EXPERIENCED YOURSELF AND ONLY KNOW WHAT YOU COPY AND PASTE OVER THE INTERNET
YOU ALSO FORGOT TO MENTION YOU ARE A "DOCTOR" AT THE END OF YOUR LAST POST WHEN YOU SAID "JIM" SO EVERYONE KNOWS YOU ARE A "DOCTOR"[
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