First cycle, any sudgestions?

[manchestermuscle]

Hello people, im new to this board and about to order my first cycle. Have been
training for bout 3 years now and now is the time. Have been asking various people for their advice. Pretty certain that i want to cycle deca with sustanon but would like some opinions on how much per week i want to taking and for how long. Also want to advice about anti estrogen drugs. Wold be greatful for all your advice. Bearing in mind, that i have not done any proper juice before. Have used 1-test before but we all know how "good" that stuff is, if you take my sarcasm. Look forward to your tips!!

 

[LuvMuhRoids]

For a novice cycle you should try enanthate instead of sustanon. In my opinion sustanon is actually and advanced gear although it has been commonly used otherwise due to the popularity of the multi-esters in it. Its a common mistake to think it is better than other test base gear. If not done properly it will cause spikes in your blood levels and may be the cause of side affects and hinger proper gains. Sust at the least should be done E3D but actually is supposed to be administered ED for constant test levels.

Your system for a while is trying to adjust to this new introduction of test as its replacement. Your system has its own natural ability to level out the hormones and create balance. With sustanon spiked up and down levels this is difficult. Enanthate on the other hand is a single test ester and can be done once a week with constant blood levels through out the week thus less side affects better gains.

In my opinion maybe just a test cycle with no deca would be suggestable. Then move on to stacking. If not, that's ok. Here is what I would suggest for both depending on what you decide on gear.

1-10 sust250mg E3D
1-9 deca300mg
1-4 dbik 25mg ED

if you pick enanthate
1-10 enan 500mg
1-9 deca 300mg
1-4 dbol 25mg ED

if test by it self either sust or enanthate just take out the deca and do a 1-10 cycle. Then aftewards do PCT and move up in dosage or stack more gear. Come back here for another critique.

Also it takes both enanthate and sustanon about 4 weeks to kick in. A common method is to kick the cycle with dbol tabs in the beginning for about 1-4 weeks ED. Take about 25mg of dbol daily to sort of open the door before the enanthate or sust kick in. Youre not going to like training for the first 4 weeks not seeing any gains while the whole time injecting yourself thinking when is this stuff going to start working.

These are my opinions. Good luck, grow, and have fun.

 

[01dragonslayer]

For a novice cycle you should try enanthate instead of sustanon. In my opinion sustanon is actually and advanced gear although it has been commonly used otherwise due to the popularity of the multi-esters in it. Its a common mistake to think it is better than other test base gear. If not done properly it will cause spikes in your blood levels and may be the cause of side affects and hinger proper gains. Sust at the least should be done E3D but actually is supposed to be administered ED for constant test levels.

Your system for a while is trying to adjust to this new introduction of test as its replacement. Your system has its own natural ability to level out the hormones and create balance. With sustanon spiked up and down levels this is difficult. Enanthate on the other hand is a single test ester and can be done once a week with constant blood levels through out the week thus less side affects better gains.

In my opinion maybe just a test cycle with no deca would be suggestable. Then move on to stacking. If not, that's ok. Here is what I would suggest for both depending on what you decide on gear.

1-10 sust250mg E3D
1-9 deca300mg
1-4 dbik 25mg ED

if you pick enanthate
1-10 enan 500mg
1-9 deca 300mg
1-4 dbol 25mg ED

if test by it self either sust or enanthate just take out the deca and do a 1-10 cycle. Then aftewards do PCT and move up in dosage or stack more gear. Come back here for another critique.

Also it takes both enanthate and sustanon about 4 weeks to kick in. A common method is to kick the cycle with dbol tabs in the beginning for about 1-4 weeks ED. Take about 25mg of dbol daily to sort of open the door before the enanthate or sust kick in. Youre not going to like training for the first 4 weeks not seeing any gains while the whole time injecting yourself thinking when is this stuff going to start working.

These are my opinions. Good luck, grow, and have fun.

I concur. Excellent advice. IMO sustanon is a poor option for a first cycle. It needs to be injected at least 3xs/wk because of the short acting prop ester(EOD is ideal) as opposed to only 2xs/wk with the enth and deca and your results will be just as well. Not to mention that the pain from the prop may be a little too much for a first go. An enth/deca cycle would be great for a newbie to add some quality mass. The only changes I would make would to be to 1) possibly eliminate the dbol and 2) run the enth and deca one week longer. Dbol is very heptoxic and I usually don't suggest running it in a first cycle. Wait and see how your body reacts to anabolics before cycling the 'harsher stuff'. LMRs is correct in saying that the enth/deca will take appr. 4wks to start their effects. Thats why I would suggest running the test to wk11 and the deca to 10:

Wks 1-11 Test e 500mg/wk
Wks 1-10 Deca 3-400mg/wk

Anti-e throughout and as always clomid post-cycle. Satrt your clomid 2wks after your last shot of test at 300mg/1st day; 100mg/ED days 2-11; and 50mg/ED days 12-21. Train hard and eat clean. Good luck.

 

[LuvMuhRoids]

This is true. I was going to suggest 12 weeks orginally. I would also suggest possibly eliminating dbol also because it is 17c alkalated (liver toxic)and aromatizes into estrogen quickly but I didnt want him to get discouraged being a novice user. We know how common begginers begin to post a few weeks later they have fake gear and its not working...lol

If decided to do a 1-4 week dbol kick start drink plenty of water up to a gallon daily to flush the kidneys and keep it stimulated and some milk thistle would be suggestable to curb any toxicity to dbol.

Thanks for the concur dragon.

I concur. Excellent advice. IMO sustanon is a poor option for a first cycle. It needs to be injected at least 3xs/wk because of the short acting prop ester(EOD is ideal) as opposed to only 2xs/wk with the enth and deca and your results will be just as well. Not to mention that the pain from the prop may be a little too much for a first go. An enth/deca cycle would be great for a newbie to add some quality mass. The only changes I would make would to be to 1) possibly eliminate the dbol and 2) run the enth and deca one week longer. Dbol is very heptoxic and I usually don't suggest running it in a first cycle. Wait and see how your body reacts to anabolics before cycling the 'harsher stuff'. LMRs is correct in saying that the enth/deca will take appr. 4wks to start their effects. Thats why I would suggest running the test to wk11 and the deca to 10:

Wks 1-11 Test e 500mg/wk
Wks 1-10 Deca 3-400mg/wk

Anti-e throughout and as always clomid post-cycle. Satrt your clomid 2wks after your last shot of test at 300mg/1st day; 100mg/ED days 2-11; and 50mg/ED days 12-21. Train hard and eat clean. Good luck.

 

[manchestermuscle]

Cheers!

This forum seems to be the most informative forum i have been on. Only 2 replies and im already more confident about what im gonna be taking within the next couple of weeks. Cheers for the advice bout sust, this was a definate until now! Think i will def give the Dbol a miss at the mo. When i say first cycle, i mean first of many. I fully intend on using again as my goals are quite high. One question though. When u say to use anti estrogens thoughout, can you elaborate? was gonna get some Nolva just in case of sie effects. Is this the kind of stuff i should be doing throughout? If so, how much? and would this be every day? Bearing in mind that i am not the richest of dudes!!

 

[LuvMuhRoids]

It is usually suggestable to do 10mg of nolva through out a cycle to keep gyno in check and bloat down from estrogen build up. You should up the novla in PCT to 20mg while in clomid therapy. During PCT you will get whats called a estrogen backlash. I usually only use novla when I start to notice lumps under the nipple or soreness with swelling of the gland. I use 20mg daily until sides subside. Always keep nolva on hand if you are going to become a regular user of gear. More than once you will experience these gyno sides from gear.

This forum seems to be the most informative forum i have been on. Only 2 replies and im already more confident about what im gonna be taking within the next couple of weeks. Cheers for the advice bout sust, this was a definate until now! Think i will def give the Dbol a miss at the mo. When i say first cycle, i mean first of many. I fully intend on using again as my goals are quite high. One question though. When u say to use anti estrogens thoughout, can you elaborate? was gonna get some Nolva just in case of sie effects. Is this the kind of stuff i should be doing throughout? If so, how much? and would this be every day? Bearing in mind that i am not the richest of dudes!!

 

[MaxRep]

Manchester, what are your stats now as far as height/weight/Body Fat/experience?

I'm hoping you realize AAS usage makes up only 25% of the growth equation. Training, eating and rest make up 75% of your gains or lack of gains.

Good luck,
MaxRep

 

[manchestermuscle]

stats

Manchester, what are your stats now as far as height/weight/Body Fat/experience?

I'm hoping you realize AAS usage makes up only 25% of the growth equation. Training, eating and rest make up 75% of your gains or lack of gains.

Good luck,
MaxRep

Im well aware that aas cant make u a monster without first realising how to train and how to eat to grow right. Not sure what my body fat is but my height is 5'10"(im form england and still use this format) and weigh 13.5 stone. Im not ripped but my waist is 32". So im also not fat. Ive been training for about 2 years since i started again, but trained for about 3 years from when i was 16. I am obviously still learing alot, but feel that i can still benefit from aas. My other stats eg arms, chest are not known at present, but i can asure u i dont look like no pear!

 

[MaxRep]

Im well aware that aas cant make u a monster without first realising how to train and how to eat to grow right. Not sure what my body fat is but my height is 5'10"(im form england and still use this format) and weigh 13.5 stone. Im not ripped but my waist is 32". So im also not fat. Ive been training for about 2 years since i started again, but trained for about 3 years from when i was 16. I am obviously still learing alot, but feel that i can still benefit from aas. My other stats eg arms, chest are not known at present, but i can asure u i dont look like no pear!

13.5 stone is 188.6 pounds so at 5'10", your 32" waist sounds about right. Your stats also tell me your muscular development is in the beginning stages. Personally, I think you could go natural for a while longer, build a better foundation and be better off in the long run but most people want things now.

Having said that, keep it simple. You've got some good basic information that's been laid out for you and that's really all you need for quite some time. Now it's up to you to go out and make it happen.

Good luck,
MaxRep

 

[manchestermuscle]

arimidex? or novla?

Cheers for your help dudes! Just one more question on this thread. Been reading a thread bout Arimidex and novladex. Wondered if you guys also agree that Arimidex would be far better to take throughout the cycle than Nolvadex? Or am i just getting to far ahead of myself now?

 

[JoblessPhilosopher]

Ant-E's

A lot people use arimidex during a cycle to cut down on the estrogen side effects. Some people recommend femara over arimidex but it hasn't enjoyed as much widespread use as arimidex (yet). You'll want to have nolvadex on hand in case you start getting symptoms of gyno.

 

[manchestermuscle]

Get your point Jobless............

What i need to know is, if i do Arimdex, do i need to use Nolvadex?

 

[MaxRep]

What i need to know is, if i do Arimdex, do i need to use Nolvadex?

MM, no you don't need both. With your modest dosages of Dbol and Test, you probably won't need either. However, you do want one or the other on hand during any cycle. Be sure to understand the difference between them. Arimidex is an aromatase inhibitor and nolvadex is an estrogen blocker.

Good luck,
MaxRep

 

[AshMan2000]

MM, no you don't need both. With your modest dosages of Dbol and Test, you probably won't need either. However, you do want one or the other on hand during any cycle. Be sure to understand the difference between them. Arimidex is an aromatase inhibitor and nolvadex is an estrogen blocker.

Good luck,
MaxRep

I agree,with low doses you should not have run either during your cycle......
If I had to choose between the two I'd choose the nolvadex, Due to the negative effects of arimidex which include;lowering of good estrogen,negative impacts on HDL,reduced TRH production, and increased prolactin.............
Like the others said keep it simple a single ester test such as Cyp. or Enath. will be more than enough for your first cycle............