first cycle Enanthate, Dbol

[Samael]

Hello there.
Wanted to share with you my first cycle.
First my stats:
27 years, 174cm, weight before cycle: 75kg
Lifting: 3 years + martial arts since I was 14.

cycle: Testosterone Enanthate 250mg two times in week.
First 4 weeks dbol
1 week 20mg
2 week 40mg
3 week 40mg
4 week 20mg

I will run enanthate for 12 weeks, so far I am almost finished with first 10ml vial.
Enanthate is Asia pharma brand, dbol is Alpha pharm.
Now let me tell you, they are definetly good quality gear, I'm growing like crazy.

Its almost 5th week since I've started, my weight is 84kg.
Gained 9kg in 5 weeks.

I'll post some pictures with results

 

[chillz]

As long as your diets on point, you should be more than happy with the results.

 

[bickel29]

As long as your diets on point, you should be more than happy with the results.

Hey chillz - you have been a member here for NINE years and THIS thread is what motivated you to bang out your 2nd post?

Just busting yer balls bro...

 

[skywalk]

Hello there.
Wanted to share with you my first cycle.
First my stats:
27 years, 174cm, weight before cycle: 75kg
Lifting: 3 years + martial arts since I was 14.

cycle: Testosterone Enanthate 250mg two times in week.
First 4 weeks dbol
1 week 20mg
2 week 40mg
3 week 40mg
4 week 20mg

I will run enanthate for 12 weeks, so far I am almost finished with first 10ml vial.
Enanthate is Asia pharma brand, dbol is Alpha pharm.
Now let me tell you, they are definetly good quality gear, I'm growing like crazy.

Its almost 5th week since I've started, my weight is 84kg.
Gained 9kg in 5 weeks.

I'll post some pictures with results

Without front load, Test e kicks in at approx week 4 for me. Your gains are awesome, but I think you've been eating much more while on cycle, am I right? Also, dbol causes a shit load of water weight gain. Are you on any AI to minimize bloat? It could be causing some fake weight gains in the form of water weight.

Imagine the gains you will have from now onwards, now that it's started to kick in!

Edit: why are you tapering dbol? And 40mg seems high bro. If your stuff's legit, 20-30 ED is ample.

 

[DieYoungStrong]

President Obama does not recommend Asia pharma.

 

[bigstretch]

Good progress man. Expect to loose a little of the weight the next few weeks, but most of it will be water. I usually start feeling the test between weeks 5 or 6.
Are you using an AI on cycle? Keep your diet on point, train hard, and get enough sleep and you will be more than happy with the results.
What do you have planned for PCT?

 

[Dr JIM]

It should be obvious to all the OPs diet is definitely NOT on point.

Those with BF of this magnitude are awaiting miserable results because of the readily available aromatase for TT to E-2 conversion in SPITE OF an AI.

Fella you really need to reduce your BF considerably before you begin a cycle, IMO.

Moreover the aromatase issue is just one of several problems which confront those whom begin cycling with BF approaching 20%

Jim

 

[Dr JIM]

Hey solid suggestions SW, IMO!

 

[idmd]

It should be obvious to all the OPs diet is definitely NOT on point.

Those with BF of this magnitude are awaiting miserable results because of the readily available aromatase for TT to E-2 conversion in SPITE OF an AI.

Fella you really need to reduce your BF considerably before you begin a cycle, IMO.

Moreover the aromatase issue is just one of several problems which confront those whom begin cycling with BF approaching 20%

Jim

This guy has 20% BF? I see a six-pack (well ok a 4-pack) in those pics?

 

[Samael]

It should be obvious to all the OPs diet is definitely NOT on point.

Those with BF of this magnitude are awaiting miserable results because of the readily available aromatase for TT to E-2 conversion in SPITE OF an AI.

Fella you really need to reduce your BF considerably before you begin a cycle, IMO.

Moreover the aromatase issue is just one of several problems which confront those whom begin cycling with BF approaching 20%

Jim

20% BF? what you are talking about?:-D
Perhaps you didn't noticed six pack in there, I never had 20% of BF.
This is bulking cycle, I want to bulk on as much as I can, and then I 'll cut down to 5% of body fat after winter.

 

[Samael]

20% BF? what you are talking about?:-D
Perhaps you didn't noticed six pack in there, I never had 20% of BF.
This is bulking cycle, I want to bulk on as much as I can, and then I 'll cut down to 5% of body fat after winter.

Ok, if in this picture it is body with 20% BF, then be it.
I'll get it meassured just to be sure.
However, as I said, I'm quite strict about my diet, and I was not giving shit about diet before, now I take it seriously, and I want to gainas much as I can, before cutting cycle, that being said, it dosnt mean my Diet is not on point.
Keep in mind that this is just first month of cycle.

 

[Samael]

As long as your diets on point, you should be more than happy with the results.

thank you Chillz

 

[fit2beking]

Ok, if in this picture it is body with 20% BF, then be it.
I'll get it meassured just to be sure.
However, as I said, I'm quite strict about my diet, and I was not giving shit about diet before, now I take it seriously, and I want to gainas much as I can, before cutting cycle, that being said, it dosnt mean my Diet is not on point.
Keep in mind that this is just first month of cycle.

That is not 20% BF! No way! Good work man

 

[Samael]

Without front load, Test e kicks in at approx week 4 for me. Your gains are awesome, but I think you've been eating much more while on cycle, am I right? Also, dbol causes a shit load of water weight gain. Are you on any AI to minimize bloat? It could be causing some fake weight gains in the form of water weight.

Imagine the gains you will have from now onwards, now that it's started to kick in!

Edit: why are you tapering dbol? And 40mg seems high bro. If your stuff's legit, 20-30 ED is ample.

Yes Indeed there is some form of water weight gain definately.
I'm using however dbol just as a kickstart for first 4 weeks.
I'm using Tamoxifene to prevent excessive water retention and bloat.
Now I'm down to 20 ED, you are right, 40 is too much.

 

[Samael]

Good progress man. Expect to loose a little of the weight the next few weeks, but most of it will be water. I usually start feeling the test between weeks 5 or 6.
Are you using an AI on cycle? Keep your diet on point, train hard, and get enough sleep and you will be more than happy with the results.
What do you have planned for PCT?

Bigstretch I do expect to loose little of the weight, as well after I'll finish my cycle.
Using only tamoxifene on cycle.

Regarding PCT:
Nolva 20/20/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50
I'll start it after enanthate will clear out of system after last pin.

 

[Samael]

Here is a little comparison.
On left, couple of months before cycle, with 75 kg.
On right, first month while on cycle, 84 kg.
its 12 week cycle.
I would love to get to 90-95 kg and then cut it down in cutting cycle to 80-85kg,
with max 5% body fat.
My best BF % was 3%, with 80kg weight.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Sorry bro, that's not 5% BF. Not saying you look bad but that's not 5%, looks like at least 10-12%. 3% BF is almost impossible and even if you could achieve it for more than a few hours you'd be looking at some serious health issues.

 

[fit2beking]

Sorry bro, that's not 5% BF. Not saying you look bad but that's not 5%, looks like at least 10-12%. 3% BF is almost impossible and even if you could achieve it for more than a few hours you'd be looking at some serious health issues.

I agree but it definitely isnt 20% like it was stated earlier.

 

[Samael]

Sorry bro, that's not 5% BF. Not saying you look bad but that's not 5%, looks like at least 10-12%. 3% BF is almost impossible and even if you could achieve it for more than a few hours you'd be looking at some serious health issues.

NO no mate, a mis-understanding.
I want to achieve 5 % when I will be finishing my cutting cycle, later after winter.
This is bulking cycle, the comparison pictures you saw, they are recent.
I just mentioned that I've used to have 3%, at least thats what machine said in YMCA while I was in US
Perhaps It was wrong.

Here is for example when I had 80kg and was running just sustanon, nothing else. It was from pakistan, I don't even know if it was real or fake.
Got it from some stranger from university. lol.

 

[Dr JIM]

Does it really matter 15% or 20% NIMO.

Granted bloat could account for some of the less than "cut" appearance I observed.

Nonetheless most BB and lifters had a tendency to grossly underestimate their body fat and overestimate how "on point" their diet really is.

Jim