First Cycle ever, and a big Hello to ALL at MESO-Rx

[Dopa]

Hello everyone at MESO-Rx!!
Let me start of by firstly expressing my most positive feeling to the community that has been created here. Since almost 4 years ago I have been training hard to compete in proffesional tennis until I broke my ancle and had to drop for almost 7 months. Later on I got joint injuries in both my right elbow and shoulder and had to completly stop. Ever since then ive been trying to stay in shape (especially now and 2 years back). After those accidents Ive gained some serious wieght, but lost it almost 2 and a half y ears ago.

So, until now I have been working out reguarly, 3 times a week of weight lifting, + heavy cardio 1 time a week.. I run by my schedule where I cook, train, take suppliments, vitamins, amino acids, oils. Pretty much until now, i beleive i am stuck at the edge of my muscle growth. I am about 1.75m tall and weight 81 Kg. Let me be honest with you guys, im so godamn tired of going all out and still not seeing my self grow fruther. I began my interest in steroids about 4 months ago, have been comming to this site regularly and reading through all the posts (mostly about cycles and what is recommended etc).

I need your proffesional advice on how i should go about my situation, i feel that my motivation to pump muscle is decreasing with my little result.

One more thing, man, abdominal fat is a god damn killer, i mean, how can anyone explain this. I eat 5 times a day, consume on average 200-270 grams of protein per day. Since i train intensiley and have to do alot of walking during the days i train and dont I estimated that i need to consume about 2400-2700kcal per day. I never eat out, i cook at home healthy foods.

I have already planned my frist cycle, but before i go further i would honestly love to see a response from anyone that could tell im doing something wrong or could recommend a method to help my struggles.

thanks in advance guys
Dopa

 

[dennis]

Hello everyone at MESO-Rx!!
Let me start of by firstly expressing my most positive feeling to the community that has been created here. Since almost 4 years ago I have been training hard to compete in proffesional tennis until I broke my ancle and had to drop for almost 7 months. Later on I got joint injuries in both my right elbow and shoulder and had to completly stop. Ever since then ive been trying to stay in shape (especially now and 2 years back). After those accidents Ive gained some serious wieght, but lost it almost 2 and a half y ears ago.

So, until now I have been working out reguarly, 3 times a week of weight lifting, + heavy cardio 1 time a week.. I run by my schedule where I cook, train, take suppliments, vitamins, amino acids, oils. Pretty much until now, i beleive i am stuck at the edge of my muscle growth. I am about 1.75m tall and weight 81 Kg. Let me be honest with you guys, im so godamn tired of going all out and still not seeing my self grow fruther. I began my interest in steroids about 4 months ago, have been comming to this site regularly and reading through all the posts (mostly about cycles and what is recommended etc).

I need your proffesional advice on how i should go about my situation, i feel that my motivation to pump muscle is decreasing with my little result.

One more thing, man, abdominal fat is a god damn killer, i mean, how can anyone explain this. I eat 5 times a day, consume on average 200-270 grams of protein per day. Since i train intensiley and have to do alot of walking during the days i train and dont I estimated that i need to consume about 2400-2700kcal per day. I never eat out, i cook at home healthy foods.

I have already planned my frist cycle, but before i go further i would honestly love to see a response from anyone that could tell im doing something wrong or could recommend a method to help my struggles.

thanks in advance guys
Dopa

"a response from anyone that could tell I am doing something wrong "...Ok here's my response..Please do not use the Lords name in vain.Your diet and work out/cardio needs improvement.

 

[andysutils]

Hello everyone at MESO-Rx!!
Let me start of by firstly expressing my most positive feeling to the community that has been created here. Since almost 4 years ago I have been training hard to compete in proffesional tennis until I broke my ancle and had to drop for almost 7 months. Later on I got joint injuries in both my right elbow and shoulder and had to completly stop. Ever since then ive been trying to stay in shape (especially now and 2 years back). After those accidents Ive gained some serious wieght, but lost it almost 2 and a half y ears ago.

So, until now I have been working out reguarly, 3 times a week of weight lifting, + heavy cardio 1 time a week.. I run by my schedule where I cook, train, take suppliments, vitamins, amino acids, oils. Pretty much until now, i beleive i am stuck at the edge of my muscle growth. I am about 1.75m tall and weight 81 Kg. Let me be honest with you guys, im so godamn tired of going all out and still not seeing my self grow fruther. I began my interest in steroids about 4 months ago, have been comming to this site regularly and reading through all the posts (mostly about cycles and what is recommended etc).

I need your proffesional advice on how i should go about my situation, i feel that my motivation to pump muscle is decreasing with my little result.

One more thing, man, abdominal fat is a god damn killer, i mean, how can anyone explain this. I eat 5 times a day, consume on average 200-270 grams of protein per day. Since i train intensiley and have to do alot of walking during the days i train and dont I estimated that i need to consume about 2400-2700kcal per day. I never eat out, i cook at home healthy foods.

I have already planned my frist cycle, but before i go further i would honestly love to see a response from anyone that could tell im doing something wrong or could recommend a method to help my struggles.

thanks in advance guys
Dopa

your nearly 6ft tall, a 180lbs, you have the problem you cant gain any more muscle and your only eating 2700k a day? you not at the end of your muscle growth, your at the end of your nutrition, you need more cals than that at nearly a 180lbs, i eat 3800k a day and im only a 163lbs.

what is your natural weight and how much have you gained from lifting? your hacked off about fat you said and your tryig to gain more muscle? cant do both at the same time, which one you wanna do first?

 

[ULTIMATE WARRIOR]

I Think You Need More Than Just 2 Yrs Of Training.......you've Still Lot To Grow Naturally Bro....

 

[Dopa]

Sorry if i didn't sound to clear about my workout routine. Ive been working training in various ways since the age of 14, then at 18 years old i hit the dead end with a broken ankle. The training done was very strict, until I turned 18, training 5 times a week, 3-4 hours a day. It was exhausting as far as i could remember. However i got out of shape due to my injuries, gained some serious weight but im back on track now. I am just trying to see what I am doing wrong, i feel like i am really pushing my self out of my guts when i am training. At times it feels like i just don't have anymore more energy to give. I do stay tuned with nutrition, but perhaps andysutils is right, i should increase my calories. Probably thats why i feel so burnt out fast at the gym. But are you telling me if i was to increase my calories by at least another 1000kcal (providing that i keep on pushing my self hard enough) I would gain some more results? I have some friends here who just ordered their roids for the first cycle. It just 2 guys but they really don't like talking about it. Anyhow, i appreciate all your responses.

If you were to round up and give a starting date for starting AS, under what circumstances and age would you give?

I often see that ages 19,20,21 + seem to young, but i thought the body stop to develop by age 21?

At the moment, i do take creatine and NO for helping me with my workouts, which did help me get past some barries. I just can't express enough my interest in BB and AS. Im willing to go through it all to start gaining some serious wieght.

Thanks alot everyone, hope i didnt waste much of your time!

best of luck

Dopa

 

[andysutils]

first what you need to do bro is post your routine so we can see whats right and whats wrong about it, i sure hope you aint still training for 3-4 hours a day??????

more to the point, forget about AAS the situation your in cos i can tell you right now on 2700k a day and your current training flaws that your nowhere near ready for AAS and secondly, all the AAS in the world wont do jack shit for you because of what your doing right now, but ultimately you will make your own choice bro.

why do you take creatine if not for your workouts?

anyway, lets see your workouts and post your hwole diet daily inc: carbs, fats, protein, cals dude and then we can take it from there.

 

[musle mafia]

Bro I know how your feeling I got injured too and had to stop training for a while. Had numerous surgeries and but I have a crazy fast metabolism so I was dropping weight and training hurt my joints that were repaired. (both knees, right wrist, right shoulder, titanium in left collar bone, pins and screws in left ankle) I took Test and Deca my first cycle to help add fluid to my joints and help build muscle around my joints. This was actually sugessted by my trainer but I don't think your quite in the same situation for one I'm still competeing and I also follow a set diet but not a body builder diet but I can honestly tell you your not eating enough when I wanted to bulk and put on more weight I was eating almost 5000 cals a day and double my weight in grams of protein on a set schedule. If you want to get rid of your gut why are you only doing one day of cardio a week. I do 4 not including Martial Arts training which might as well be a cardio workout. It seems to me you want more muscle growth but want to loose your gut a the same time. Hard to do but you'll need much more cardio and a much bigger diet. Post your entire workout routine and your entire diet. Then you can get more help I'd try to work on that before you try a cycle.

 

[musle mafia]

Dude how old are you? I hope your not 21 because you might have stopped growing at 21 but your not fully developed a big misconception. If you are face it you have plenty of test in your system and you would be taking a unnessasary risk.

 

[Dopa]

Yo guys,
Sorry that i didnt respond for a while, i forgot to pay the bill for the internet. Anyhow, I REALLY APPRECIATE all your feedback, honestly it helps me alot.
To answere all your questions im gonna start with saying the basics that i never quite understood. Even back in the day, when i was placed under extreme hard training, 3-4 hours 7 times a week (id get lucky to get a break for 1-2 days eventaully), eating a planned diet by my trainer , i still could never get rid of the 2-3cm fat on my belly and the side. I just never got it, the rest of my body was dry frim, but that part it never got lost. Is this some sort of genetical shit ? I mean ive done much research about this and some doctors say it could be fat from extreme stress that cant be burnt off no matter how vigrously you train.

My diet as of today is pretty much as follows,

Carbs per day - about 400-600grams (these are only raw foods, high on fibre, dark pasta, wild rice etc)

Protein - 250-350 a day (including protein shakes, red meat, chicken, fish, beans, soya products)

Fat - here i had a hard time to estimate in grams, but in percent it would be about 20% out of the whole nutrition scene (this includes mostly unsaturated fats and about 5-7% of saturated).

I think i mentioned before that i never eat out, no fast food no bullshit, i cook myself 6-7 times a day, fresh foods.

At the moment i do take Creatine and Nitrous Oxide to help me peform more at the gym.

My training schedule is as follows:
I train 4 times a week, ussually every other day. Before each workout i do 20mins of cardio and i go to do my training routine. I ussaully lift in sets of 12, 3 sets in total. I try to do both insulation and compound training.

I think this should be about all, by the way, my age is 21 years.

Thanks once again guys i appreciatet all your time and help, stay cool and strong!

 

[LifeSize]

Yo guys,
Sorry that i didnt respond for a while, i forgot to pay the bill for the internet. Anyhow, I REALLY APPRECIATE all your feedback, honestly it helps me alot.
To answere all your questions im gonna start with saying the basics that i never quite understood. Even back in the day, when i was placed under extreme hard training, 3-4 hours 7 times a week (id get lucky to get a break for 1-2 days eventaully), eating a planned diet by my trainer , i still could never get rid of the 2-3cm fat on my belly and the side. I just never got it, the rest of my body was dry frim, but that part it never got lost. Is this some sort of genetical shit ? I mean ive done much research about this and some doctors say it could be fat from extreme stress that cant be burnt off no matter how vigrously you train.

My diet as of today is pretty much as follows,

Carbs per day - about 400-600grams (these are only raw foods, high on fibre, dark pasta, wild rice etc)

Protein - 250-350 a day (including protein shakes, red meat, chicken, fish, beans, soya products)

Fat - here i had a hard time to estimate in grams, but in percent it would be about 20% out of the whole nutrition scene (this includes mostly unsaturated fats and about 5-7% of saturated).

I think i mentioned before that i never eat out, no fast food no bullshit, i cook myself 6-7 times a day, fresh foods.

At the moment i do take Creatine and Nitrous Oxide to help me peform more at the gym.

My training schedule is as follows:
I train 4 times a week, ussually every other day. Before each workout i do 20mins of cardio and i go to do my training routine. I ussaully lift in sets of 12, 3 sets in total. I try to do both insulation and compound training.

I think this should be about all, by the way, my age is 21 years.

Thanks once again guys i appreciatet all your time and help, stay cool and strong!

The training you did when playing Tennis is different than the training you do now. Before you were probably eating enough but due to the high intensity work your body felt it needed to hold on to fat for an emergency - ie starvation. Your body cares about survival, not looking good - that's all in your head. My best friend is a long distance runner, he does 10miles daily if not more...he looks like he sits on the couch and plays xbox for a living.. He eats fine, not super clean but not crap either..

What are your goals? To heal? To put on weight? I'm sorry.. I glimpsed over twice and I don't know what you want...

200-250g of protein should be plenty.
90-100g of fat is more than enough
300-400g of carbs on non workout days
500-600g of carbs on workout days

If you eat as clean as you say you do you will probably have a hard time hitting carbs that high and still clean.. sweet potatoes, regular potatoes (red, yellow, gold, yukon, etc..), grits, oatmeal, rice, whole grain breads, skim milk (more protein and less fat means you can drink more), they say you should eat veggies (hah..)..

Those macros above put you at about 3600k/cal, if you manage your fat intake and consume wise carbs you will grow and stay hard and full all the time.. Switch your routine to something that is heavily dominated by compound/multi joint movements..

This is like a 30% increase in caloric intake.. alot really, so you might gain some fat at first, if you feel up to it break it down a little and work your way up to those numbers slowly to give your body time to adjust..

You don't need AAS right now.. You're better off with some B12 injections and traditional strength routine with cardio a few times a week.. If you eat and sleep, you will grow.

 

[andysutils]

i agree with lifesize with the AAS not needed and the B12, GET SOME IT WORKS, ive got about 10 amps of B12 on order now as ive decided against AAS again at least for this year.

B12 will make you feel like king kong and never have you away from the dinner table so i hear.

 

[LifeSize]

i agree with lifesize with the AAS not needed and the B12, GET SOME IT WORKS, ive got about 10 amps of B12 on order now as ive decided against AAS again at least for this year.

B12 will make you feel like king kong and never have you away from the dinner table so i hear.

You're buying the synthetic shit right? The one you shoot twice the first week then once every week after that for as long as you decide to be on it??

 

[andysutils]

You're buying the synthetic shit right? The one you shoot twice the first week then once every week after that for as long as you decide to be on it??

as far as i know it is yeh

http://www.normon.es/99_marcas.cfm?id=66

this aint where ive got it from though

 

[advanced-stealth]

Good post LifeSize.

The training you did when playing Tennis is different than the training you do now. Before you were probably eating enough but due to the high intensity work your body felt it needed to hold on to fat for an emergency - ie starvation. Your body cares about survival, not looking good - that's all in your head. My best friend is a long distance runner, he does 10miles daily if not more...he looks like he sits on the couch and plays xbox for a living.. He eats fine, not super clean but not crap either..

What are your goals? To heal? To put on weight? I'm sorry.. I glimpsed over twice and I don't know what you want...

200-250g of protein should be plenty.
90-100g of fat is more than enough
300-400g of carbs on non workout days
500-600g of carbs on workout days

If you eat as clean as you say you do you will probably have a hard time hitting carbs that high and still clean.. sweet potatoes, regular potatoes (red, yellow, gold, yukon, etc..), grits, oatmeal, rice, whole grain breads, skim milk (more protein and less fat means you can drink more), they say you should eat veggies (hah..)..

Those macros above put you at about 3600k/cal, if you manage your fat intake and consume wise carbs you will grow and stay hard and full all the time.. Switch your routine to something that is heavily dominated by compound/multi joint movements..

This is like a 30% increase in caloric intake.. alot really, so you might gain some fat at first, if you feel up to it break it down a little and work your way up to those numbers slowly to give your body time to adjust..

You don't need AAS right now.. You're better off with some B12 injections and traditional strength routine with cardio a few times a week.. If you eat and sleep, you will grow.

 

[Dopa]

Thanks for the post LifeSize.

I understand that the body really needs to keep some fat, but how the hell do many people manage to get so god damn ripped on the abs?

Sorry i did forget to mention my aim, which is primarly to gain mass. I really am ready to bulk up stack up and get bigger. Thats what I have been trying to do the past 2 years.

You say B12 injections, is that Vitamin B12? I was trying to get some reading done on this but as far as I read it said its mostly used to treat aneami. Im deffinatly going to take a look at this further.

Also, how long should one of my gym sessions be? is one hour a day fine? or should i go multiple times per day to the gym?

If this is the true case then i doubt i would have the energy to rip through as by the end of my frist session (about 45min to 1hour long) im already burnt out.

Thanks alot once again for all of your time!

 

[Dopa]

hey once again,
I was just reading up on Vitamin B12 injections and it sounds like an interesting compound to be used. If im not mistaken, B12 is supposed to increase the amount of erythrocytes thus increasing oxygen distribution around the body. So the result would be an increase in energy during work out? I also saw theres very little side effects directly linked to B12 injections. Have anyone of you actaully tried this and could certify that this works? Also, would any of you know if they cell B12 in liquid form in pharmacies or this is something i have to order online?

Im guessing if i was to inject this i would do it somewhere around the the area of the ass?

Btw, i was also recently reading about HGH and pituarty growth hormones. I mean they arent directly associated with roids. Would any of you recommend it or should i just stick with what has been mentioned and lay off this stuff and take my natural stamina to its maximum?

Also, what would be the ideal bodily environment to actaully take steroids?

THANKS once again and sorry for all the writing.

 

[andysutils]

hey once again,
I was just reading up on Vitamin B12 injections and it sounds like an interesting compound to be used. If im not mistaken, B12 is supposed to increase the amount of erythrocytes thus increasing oxygen distribution around the body. So the result would be an increase in energy during work out? I also saw theres very little side effects directly linked to B12 injections. Have anyone of you actaully tried this and could certify that this works? Also, would any of you know if they cell B12 in liquid form in pharmacies or this is something i have to order online?

Im guessing if i was to inject this i would do it somewhere around the the area of the ass?

Btw, i was also recently reading about HGH and pituarty growth hormones. I mean they arent directly associated with roids. Would any of you recommend it or should i just stick with what has been mentioned and lay off this stuff and take my natural stamina to its maximum?

Also, what would be the ideal bodily environment to actaully take steroids?

THANKS once again and sorry for all the writing.

theres a few guys who used it on here, im gonna be using it myself soon, think you may have to order it online depending which country your on, gonna inject mine in my quads.

 

[dennis]

About b12..I keep 50 mls chilling in my fridge year round.You can easily walk into any feed store that sells cattle/horse feed and get it there.(in the usa).No questions asked ever..use an insulin pin to inject sub q..anywhere on body..painless

 

[LifeSize]

About b12..I keep 50 mls chilling in my fridge year round.You can easily walk into any feed store that sells cattle/horse feed and get it there.(in the usa).No questions asked ever..use an insulin pin to inject sub q..anywhere on body..painless

How often do you inject though? And how many mg's per ml?

 

[Me Ted]

My training schedule is as follows:
I train 4 times a week, ussually every other day. Before each workout i do 20mins of cardio and i go to do my training routine. I ussaully lift in sets of 12, 3 sets in total. I try to do both insulation and compound training.

I think this should be about all, by the way, my age is 21 years.

Thanks once again guys i appreciatet all your time and help, stay cool and strong!

Stick to only a warmup before your weight routine. 20 min of cardio before weights 4 times a week is a waste and will affect your strength. Since you body will automatically go to your glycogen stores for energy first you definitely wanna hit cardio afterwards once your glycogen stores are depleted and all that is left for energy are your fat stores.

For cardio make sure you are going low intesity for 40-60 min or HIIT for 20-30 min

For your weights stick to your compound movements, stress movements like deadlifts and squats, especially if you haven't before. Keep the reps for your important (first) exercises of the day somewhwere between 5x5 and 4x8 and increase the reps as you go through your day. Something like
5x5 compound
4x6 compound
4x8 compound
4x8 isolation
4x10 isolation
4x10 isolation

Just some basics, but definitely where you want to start if you havent been already. Good luck bro