First Cycle ever Test P and Test E

[irishchamp]

Yea man, especially with two serms, I bet most will say to drop to between 50 and 75mg. I think the high doses are really old school. Not that there's anything wrong with old school.
Plus you're cycle was only test e & p correct?
I think a standard test only pct would be:
Clomid: 50,50,25,25 or 75,50,25,25
With Nolva at 40,40,20,20 or even 20,20,20,20

 

[Beergut75]

I took EQ, test e&p. I like your pct much better and I don't have enough clomid for the way I'm running it. Your way would get me through without making another order.

 

[Beergut75]

For the record other than PIP at first I have had ZERO sides. No gyno, no acne, nothing. However my test was 238 when I started cycle so I had low t to begin with. I'm giving PCT a shot then I will get labs and determine if I have to go on TRT for the rest of my days.

 

[irishchamp]

Oh, OK. Still not a hardcore cycle.

I took EQ, test e&p. I like your pct much better and I don't have enough clomid for the way I'm running it. Your way would get me through without making another order.

How were your gains? I saw your before and current stats but when you look in the mirror do you see a transformation? You planning on posting any pictures?

For the record other than PIP at first I have had ZERO sides. No gyno, no acne, nothing. However my test was 238 when I started cycle so I had low t to begin with. I'm giving PCT a shot then I will get labs and determine if I have to go on TRT for the rest of my days.

 

[TaoPhD]

I'm taking 40mg tamoxifen and 150 clomid along with some tribulus terrestris and a few multi vitamins. I would LOVE to lower my clomid dose.

Dude, you should never have run clomid that high.

It should have been the standard 100/100/50/50
Tamox should have been 40/40/20/20.

 

[Beergut75]

Thanks for the help guys. I only ran it 2 days that high so I backed it off and should be good 2 go now.

I really appreciate the help.

 

[Bluehead]

Dude.... if you don't want to gain weight then why on earth are you using AAS? Try a better diet and more cardio. Your goals don't seem to be too hard to achieve. If it is a runners body you want to have, then be a runner. Good luck.

Listen to this guy.
Try going lower with the BF%, from my research i've seen many say that using gear on higher BF% makes controlling estrogen really hard.

My other advise OP is to take claire clenbuterol if you can find it or afford it, it'll help you burn fat. I haven't tried it myself as i'm low BF%, but a friend of mine uses it and he swears by it.

Cheers

 

[Beergut75]

Weight is 190 strength still the same. I seem very irritable for some reason on cycle I wasn't bad but now I'm grumpy?

The big problem is I ran out if Clomid yesterday and I ordered more but there is going to be a gap. I go busy doing other stuff and was not paying close enough attention to how much was in the bottle. Now I may have to go a couple of days without.

 

[Spyder]

Weight is 190 strength still the same. I seem very irritable for some reason on cycle I wasn't bad but now I'm grumpy?

The big problem is I ran out if Clomid yesterday and I ordered more but there is going to be a gap. I go busy doing other stuff and was not paying close enough attention to how much was in the bottle. Now I may have to go a couple of days without.

I thought you are a TRT guy?

 

[Beergut75]

I thought you are a TRT guy?

My T was 238 before my cycle so maybe I am. I wanted to try to come off of my cycle, do a PCT then get labs to see if in fact I am a TRT guy. It made sense to me not to take that path unless it was an absolute last resort. If my labs come back low I can just pin some test. It seemed to me that it was at least worth a shot.

 

[Spyder]

My T was 238 before my cycle so maybe I am. I wanted to try to come off of my cycle, do a PCT then get labs to see if in fact I am a TRT guy. It made sense to me not to take that path unless it was an absolute last resort. If my labs come back low I can just pin some test. It seemed to me that it was at least worth a shot.

Good luck I hope it works.

 

[Beergut75]

I am guardedly optimistic. I hate the thought of being dependent on any drug or substance for the rest of my life. It just doesn't sit well with me. I may be screwing with my hormones though by even trying PCT?

 

[Spyder]

I am guardedly optimistic. I hate the thought of being dependent on any drug or substance for the rest of my life. It just doesn't sit well with me. I may be screwing with my hormones though by even trying PCT?

You will either restart or not and it still may be in the low range. I do hope it works for you.

 

[lucabratzi]

Did u run bloods while on?

 

[Beergut75]

I did I was 1500 during cycle.

 

[flex001]

I did I was 1500 during cycle.

1500??? Do you mean GREATER than 1500? I hope so!! Looks like you were running 600 mg of Test E per week. Your numbers should've been over 3000!

 

[flex001]

What the hell is up with the quote feature?

 

[Beergut75]

The testing I got only measured up to 1500. I haven't found a way to get the exact count yet. Labcorp is the easiest way in my area to get labs.

 

[flex001]

Gotcha. So that means it was GREATER than 1500. Big difference from being 1500.

 

[Beergut75]

I'm really tried these days. I have been playing alot of Basketball for about 3 hrs a day hard intense games lots of sprinting. The next day I can barely work or even stay awake. My shoulder is hurting like a mother and no clue why. I haven't injured it or anything and never before did I really have issues.

Maybe it's in my head but I feel like my T is low again already. No morning wood or anything close to it. Zero libido to speak of and generally I just feel BLAH! My weight is 188 or so and dropping which is what I want. My goal is to get my weight, and bf% down to 175-180 before Aprill 11th.

What do you guys recommend for my next cycle? My goal will be to put on some weight this time. It seems like my body wants to be 195-200 which I don't mind as long as it's muscle not fat.

I have enough tren, sustanon, and test to run another cycle but not sure that is what I want to do. Is Dbol worth looking into?