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I am looking to start my first cycle in a couple of months. I am going to be doing Test E & Dianabol.
Just want to know if I set this up good.
Stats: 175LBS, 10-12% body fat roughly.
Working on getting down to 165before starting the cycle.

Weeks
1-8: Test E pyramid style. 250mg/ml
(1)1/2 cc (2)1cc (3)1.5cc (4)2cc (5)2cc (6)1.5cc (7)1cc (8)1/2cc

Weeks 1-6: Dianabol 25mg/day
Weeks 1-6: Aromasin along side my cycle @20mg/day or 10mg/day?? (I have both Aromasin and Arimidex)
PCT: weeks 10-14
Nolva: 40/40/20/20
Clomid: 50/50/50/50 (ED)

Also, is nolva really necessary?
I also see guys running HCG after cycles, would it be a good idea to add some HCG after the cycle?
 
You are asking for a bad ride with your "pyramid" set up, your natty test will start to suppress the second foreign is introduced. your test numbers could be lower in week 3 then when you started. run 500 per week for 8 weeks then ptc. otherwise your body wont know what the fuck is going on and most likely might not get any gains, if you do it will only be from the dbol. and it looks like you are trying to do this with a total of 10ml spend the extra 50 and get a second bottle
 
Do3Gs said:
Age? Height? Training history? Diet? Regardless I personally would NOT go thru with the cycle how you have it laid out.
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Age: 27
Height: 5'10
Training for 6+ years
Diet: Right now I am cutting to mid-high 160s. And when I start the cycle I will be eating above my maintenance calories.
 
That "pyramid" plan is terrible. No need to reinvent the wheel. Lowering your dose near the end of the cycle when you'll be the most suppressed is a very unwise idea.

Edit: I don't mean to be "that guy," but 5'10" mid 160s is pretty skinny. You could make good gains with a cycle of food.
 
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Test_Subject said:
That "pyramid" plan is terrible. No need to reinvent the wheel. Lowering your dose near the end of the cycle when you'll be the most suppressed is a very unwise idea.

Edit: I don't mean to be "that guy," but 5'10" mid 160s is pretty skinny. You could make good gains with a cycle of food.
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Haha, I don't know where you are trying to go with that. That would mean you're calling a ton of people I see on social media let alone irl "Skinny" at their stage weight, when visually they look way above average and have a good set of muscle for weighing 165-170.
Also I don't know 100% what type of "Skinny" you mean. Anorexic type skinny? Skinny-fat? Scene skater kid with long hair skinny? Clarify that statement for me, please?
I may see where you are coming from though as you have probably been juicing for a while and assuming that you haven't seen the 160-170 figures for a while.
Take your 'advice' elsewhere.

Kind regards,
 
Duke Smith said:
I am looking to start my first cycle in a couple of months. I am going to be doing Test E & Dianabol.
Just want to know if I set this up good.
Stats: 175LBS, 10-12% body fat roughly.
Working on getting down to 165before starting the cycle.

Weeks
1-8: Test E pyramid style. 250mg/ml
(1)1/2 cc (2)1cc (3)1.5cc (4)2cc (5)2cc (6)1.5cc (7)1cc (8)1/2cc

Weeks 1-6: Dianabol 25mg/day
Weeks 1-6: Aromasin along side my cycle @20mg/day or 10mg/day?? (I have both Aromasin and Arimidex)
PCT: weeks 10-14
Nolva: 40/40/20/20
Clomid: 50/50/50/50 (ED)

Also, is nolva really necessary?
I also see guys running HCG after cycles, would it be a good idea to add some HCG after the cycle?
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- Why are you "pyramiding" your TT dose and complicating what which need not be?

- How do you intend to LOSE WEIGHT using those AAS which increase E-2 and therefore free water

- OBTAIN BASELINE labs (E-2, LH and TT at least) bc YOURE GOING TO NEED them to KNOW what effects these AAS are having on your E-2 and what dose should be used to better manage "bloat"

- One SERM should be more than adequate, and it should be Clomid since it has been well studied as a means of increasing gonadotropins

- HCG use is probably more helpful in those who have developed testicular atrophy, which is typically contingent upon the CYCLE DURATION and the "potency" of the AAS used.

- Finally AAS do NOT "cut the fat"! That is only acheived thru diet and exercise.
 
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Dr JIM said:
- Why are you "pyramiding" your TT dose and complicating what which need not be?

- How do you intend to LOSE WEIGHT using those AAS which increase E-2 and therefore free water

- OBTAIN BASELINE labs (E-2, LH and TT at least) bc YOURE GOING TO NEED them to KNOW what effects these AAS are having on your E-2 and what dose should be used to better manage "bloat"

- One SERM should be more than adequate, and it should be Clomid since it's evidence based

- HCG use is probably more helpful in those who have developed testicular atrophy, which is typically contingent upon the CYCLE DURATION and the "potency" of the AAS used.
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I understand the pyramid as I am not going to do that. I just wanted others opinions and advice on what I should change to make the cycle go as smooth as possible.
And negative on your second statement, I did not say lose weight while on AAS. I said lose weight prior to AAS.
 
Duke Smith said:
Haha, I don't know where you are trying to go with that. That would mean you're calling a ton of people I see on social media let alone irl "Skinny" at their stage weight, when visually they look way above average and have a good set of muscle for weighing 165-170.
Also I don't know 100% what type of "Skinny" you mean. Anorexic type skinny? Skinny-fat? Scene skater kid with long hair skinny? Clarify that statement for me, please?
I may see where you are coming from though as you have probably been juicing for a while and assuming that you haven't seen the 160-170 figures for a while.
Take your 'advice' elsewhere.

Kind regards,
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Your pyramid plan sucks....like the others said you will not like it nor is it anywhere close to optimal.
Post a pic cuz seriously 5 10 175 is not all tha big even in the natty world.
If you have been training for six years something is amiss with your diet or your program cuz if it were correct given your age and no physical problems you should be much larger.
 
Dr JIM said:
- Why are you "pyramiding" your TT dose and complicating what which need not be?

- How do you intend to LOSE WEIGHT using those AAS which increase E-2 and therefore free water

- OBTAIN BASELINE labs (E-2, LH and TT at least) bc YOURE GOING TO NEED them to KNOW what effects these AAS are having on your E-2 and what dose should be used to better manage "bloat"

- One SERM should be more than adequate, and it should be Clomid since it has been well studied as a means of increasing gonadotropins

- HCG use is probably more helpful in those who have developed testicular atrophy, which is typically contingent upon the CYCLE DURATION and the "potency" of the AAS used.

- Finally AAS do NOT "cut the fat"! That is only acheived thru diet and exercise.
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Duke Smith said:
I am looking to start my first cycle in a couple of months. I am going to be doing Test E & Dianabol.
Just want to know if I set this up good.
Stats: 175LBS, 10-12% body fat roughly.
Working on getting down to 165before starting the cycle.

Weeks
1-8: Test E pyramid style. 250mg/ml
(1)1/2 cc (2)1cc (3)1.5cc (4)2cc (5)2cc (6)1.5cc (7)1cc (8)1/2cc

Weeks 1-6: Dianabol 25mg/day
Weeks 1-6: Aromasin along side my cycle @20mg/day or 10mg/day?? (I have both Aromasin and Arimidex)
PCT: weeks 10-14
Nolva: 40/40/20/20
Clomid: 50/50/50/50 (ED)

Also, is nolva really necessary?
I also see guys running HCG after cycles, would it be a good idea to add some HCG after the cycle?
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To put it kindly your cycle is a clusterfuck. First cycle should be fukin test only. TEST ONLY!!! Even if I thought the d-bol was OK, only 4 weeks not 6. And like my boy Throwback said why are you so small? And you want to get smaller before you go on d-bol? Why?? If your really 10-12% there is no logic behind that. Also to short for test e cycle. Your also only hitting 500mg for 2 weeks. First cycle of test e. 400-500mg per week for 12 weeks. Simple as that.
 
I'm going to take a punt and say you proposed this pyramid set-up because you only have 1 bottle of test? If you can't get 2 bottles then you shouldn't be cycling
 
Dear broken records,

Yea no fucking shit it's a shit cycle no need to point out the obvious as others stated. Jesus Christ you fucking pricks can you not fucking read. As I stated I am not doing the fucking pyramid open your fucking eyes for fucks sake. Talking about how 175 is small HAHA.
And talking about posting a pic, I'll post a pic of my Dick you gay fuck, Let me give you some examples to look at. Christian guzman, Matt ogus, Daniel Hoang, etc. look around bitches, be open minded fuck tards not everyone is fucking 200+ pounds of muscle.

Kind regards
 
I came here for help, not to be ganged up and bashed on... I'll be taking my concerns and questions elsewhere pricks
 
The issue was you talking about how many people are 160 and big... I haven't been 160 since my sophomore year of high school. We had a gym in high school and I'm not sure we had many football or baseball players under 160. 160 was a small dude.
No one cares that you are small and 160.
They were trying to help and point you in the right direction until you got hostile and became SuperBitch.
There's nothing wrong with being small, we all start somewhere
 
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