First cycle & PCT

[MONTANA69]

Hey guys

was thinking about doing my first cycle, been lifting for about 4 years. past year taking it very serious with my regimen as well as diet ETC ETC. I have been researching for a while now. I know i will be doing a TEST E cycle. 500 MG, 250 on Mon/thurs.

Now i have been researching PCT for a while now ( i'm very thorough when it comes to this type of shit, and want to be 100% comfortable and knowledgeable) On every thread regarding PCT every 3 replies there is a juice god who believes the guy above him is wrong and his PCT is the ONLY way or the RIGHT way. How can i get a definitive answer on what would be my BEST option when it comes to PCT. I'm not rich but money would not be an issue when it comes to this as i can just wait it out till i have all the necessary shit.

SOSA

 

[Dr JIM]

That’s like asking for a “definitive answer” on which AAS combo is the best for “gains”.

Good luck locating the scientific evidence for either bc it doesn’t exist!

Oh and since “researching” PED forums is little more than a pile of anecdotes try another approach such as searching the www for SERMS as medical therapy for infertility or hypogonadism bc THATS the basis for
a large portion of PCT data being cited
as evidence on boards.

 

[MONTANA69]

That’s like asking for a “definitive answer” on which AAS combo is the best for “gains”.

Good luck locating the scientific evidence!

i know there will not be one and only way.but isnt there a general consensus on the safest/best way to go about PCT on a test only cycle/

 

[Dr JIM]

NO!

IMO your first question should be has PCT been proven effective as a means of expediting HTPA recovery in folk with AIH (androgen induced hypogonadism)

NIMO

 

[MONTANA69]

NO!

IMO your first question should be has PCT been proven effective as a means of expediting HTPA recovery in folk with AIH (androgen induced hypogonadism)

NOPE!

thanks for ur help man, great guy!

 

[Dr JIM]

Although PCT may be usefuly in multi-drug higher dose regimens, if your relatively young and keep the TT dose low, as in no more than 500mg/wk, it’s hard to argue PCT makes much of a difference IMO.

 

[MR10X]

when i used PEDs back in the 80's i never did PCT because it was not really talked about. I was in my early 30's and never had an issue not recovering,even after using Deca which i stopped after finding EQ.

 

[goldprospector]

A lot of PCT is a mental and vanity issue. Again depending on your age. I did my first cycle at 38 years old after tons of research ( including places other than where juice gods reside). I felt at that age, PCT was necessary.
Also, have you ever thought about how people say stick with one compound on your first AAS cycle to see how your body reacts but then they tell you to throw in a minimum of three compounds during PCT? I never figured it out either.
Lastly, it is my opinion that you do NOT need to mix Clomid and Nolva. Clomid makes most men feel like a crying bitch and I don't like it at all. My body responds well to Nolva.

Way back when (15 or so years ago) First cycles were always 250 mg E5D (preferably Sust)
and two weeks after after your last injection, Nolva for four weeks at 40/40/20/20. This was a great first cycle for anyone. I gained over 25 pounds with this and recovered well. I stuck with one compound during cycle and one during PCT. Worked great.
Second cycle, added D-bol during cycle, then added HCG during PCT. I can honestly say the recovered "Feeling" did NOT happen any quicker with HCG, but my vanity was soothed a little because my nuts were back up to size quicker.
Not much advice, but more for you to consider anyway.

 

[MR10X]

I did a pct when i was 64 because i did 1500 mg a week of mutiple stuff.recocered just fine.....

 

[MONTANA69]

A lot of PCT is a mental and vanity issue. Again depending on your age. I did my first cycle at 38 years old after tons of research ( including places other than where juice gods reside). I felt at that age, PCT was necessary.
Also, have you ever thought about how people say stick with one compound on your first AAS cycle to see how your body reacts but then they tell you to throw in a minimum of three compounds during PCT? I never figured it out either.
Lastly, it is my opinion that you do NOT need to mix Clomid and Nolva. Clomid makes most men feel like a crying bitch and I don't like it at all. My body responds well to Nolva.

Way back when (15 or so years ago) First cycles were always 250 mg E5D (preferably Sust)
and two weeks after after your last injection, Nolva for four weeks at 40/40/20/20. This was a great first cycle for anyone. I gained over 25 pounds with this and recovered well. I stuck with one compound during cycle and one during PCT. Worked great.
Second cycle, added D-bol during cycle, then added HCG during PCT. I can honestly say the recovered "Feeling" did NOT happen any quicker with HCG, but my vanity was soothed a little because my nuts were back up to size quicker.
Not much advice, but more for you to consider anyway.

i appreciate that man. i'm starting to realize that this is something i will have to follow a "guidline" but also should try and see what works for me and my body. Also i am 25 if that makes any difference. Im thinking this is my cycle so far

TEST E 250 MG MON/THURS 1-12 W
ADEX .50 EOD 1-12
NOVA 15-18 40/40/20/20 ED

From what i have seen this should be fine. I will be getting bloods checked before and during too see whats going on and i guess go from there. I know this is a very moderate cycle so i think this should be okay to get my feet wet.

 

[D0017]

If fertility is a concern now, or in the future you should look into HCG DURING CYCLE.
I personally ran a test only 500mg 12 week cycle . Ran hcg @500iu/week.
Testes stayed full size until week 14. They were only slightly smaller for about 2 weeks .
Not only did they stay full, but they remained functional. ( producing sperm)

 

[luex]

Age? Stats? Goals? What exactly are you looking to get out gear?

 

[goldprospector]

If fertility is a concern now, or in the future you should look into HCG DURING CYCLE.
I personally ran a test only 500mg 12 week cycle . Ran hcg @500iu/week.
Testes stayed full size until week 14. They were only slightly smaller for about 2 weeks .
Not only did they stay full, but they remained functional. ( producing sperm)

Fertility does not have anything to do with testicle size during your cycle. Plenty of women have been impregnated while their men are on cycle without hcg.
Testicle size during cycle is a vanity issue.

 

[D0017]

Fertility does not have anything to do with testicle size during your cycle. Plenty of women have been impregnated while their men are on cycle without hcg.
Testicle size during cycle is a vanity issue.

1, never said size had anything to do with fertility.
2. Never said you couldn't be fertile without it.
Not exactly sure why you quoted my comment.

Do you disagree that he should read into hcg himself as I suggested?

 

[goldprospector]

1, never said size had anything to do with fertility.
2. Never said you couldn't be fertile without it.
Not exactly sure why you quoted my comment.

Do you disagree that he should read into hcg himself as I suggested?

You said if he had a concern about fertility, he should look into hcg during the cycle. So by implication, stated fertility was a problem that hcg would fix. I'm saying hcg does not apply to fertility. Nothing else.
If I offended, then please accept my apology.

 

[Dr JIM]

Sperm counts and motility are concordant at testicular volumes of less than roughly 30ml.

Jim

 

[EcpertRealistic]

Although PCT may be usefuly in multi-drug higher dose regimens, if your relatively young and keep the TT dose low, as in no more than 500mg/wk, it’s hard to argue PCT makes much of a difference IMO.

Bull crap, stop spewing DANGEROUS advice. 500mgs/week will shut anyone down hard and side effects from estrogen are highly probable if not monitored/controlled

You have screwed please of people already. Time to get your chit straight

 

[Eman]

side effects from estrogen are highly probable

Settle down, that's just your gyno talking.

 

[Dr JIM]

Bull crap, stop spewing DANGEROUS advice. 500mgs/week will shut anyone down hard and side effects from estrogen are highly probable if not monitored/controlled

You have screwed please of people already. Time to get your chit straight

Return to your bed on the PSYCH WARD!

 

[D0017]

You said if he had a concern about fertility, he should look into hcg during the cycle. So by implication, stated fertility was a problem that hcg would fix. I'm saying hcg does not apply to fertility. Nothing else.
If I offended, then please accept my apology.

There are an many studies and articles showing HCG as a commonly used male fertility drug. Shown to increase natural test levels, and sperm count.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_chorionic_gonadotropin

In the male, HCG injections are used to stimulate the Leydig cells to synthesize testosterone. The intratesticular testosterone is necessary for spermatogenesis from the sertoli cells. Typical uses for HCG in men include hypogonadism and fertility treatment.

Several vaccines against human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) for the prevention of pregnancy are currently in clinical trials.[31]