Well tren and adrol give you gyno in different ways than the other PEDs you've been taking: progesterone, prolactin, debatable metabolites and aren't necessarily alleviated by the same ancillaries.
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First cycle (progress) of many to come…
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PinIt2WinIt
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I’ve got some caber heading my direction to help (if needed) with that stuff. Planning to get blood work done here soon as well.
Clyde
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Yep, I'm all about some experimentation these days. So much variety available compared to when I used to use gear 20 years ago. I'm just getting back into things after no workouts or gear since then.
Looking forward to how you respond and feel on tren. I'll honestly pass on it at my age now though. I may try some anadrol over very limited time frame, as in a few times a week for a pre-workout. I recently tried some halo. Not overly impressed at this point with limited testing. Then again, halo being the most often faked oral, I figure less than 50% chance it's even actually halotestin.
I'm thinking possibly how one responds to gear may be largely influenced by their natural hormone levels before using. If someone naturally has pretty high total and free T, good T to E ratio, good insulin sensitivity, etc they may respond less to using smaller amounts of gear than someone on the opposite end of optimized natural levels.
Being 59, I respond pretty well and feel great on just a low dose T at this point! Looking forward to adding in, testing some primo, masteron, etc.
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PinIt2WinIt
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Yeah there’s not really a ton of compounds I really want to experiment with. A lot of stuff that isnt beneficial for my goals at least as of right now and for the distant future. I feel like there’s a lot of things that take tons of education and making sure you’re good and have a lot of thing on hand before you even think about using. Stiff like GH and insulin etc.
But you bring up a good point…there are SO many variables between each individual and their unique body down to the compound and which batch you get. I think there’s a general idea of what each thing does it just a depends on all the other stuff on how well it works or doesn't work. At the end of the day we’re all just experimenting and passing on what we gathered from our cycles to each other hoping we can get the results we’re all looking for. Lol
PinIt2WinIt
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10 weeks….
As of last night my weight was at 207.8lbs. My diet has been kind of fucked the last week or so because I’m currently moving…so eating at home and meal prepping was pretty much non existent while eating out and hitting up McDonald’s or Taco Bell etc was becoming normal. Other than that training didn’t stop at all. Went from training in my home gym to training in the base gyms or a buddies barbell gym.
I haven’t changed any of the gear I’m using at all. Running 500 test/week, 400 tren/week, and 100 anadrol/day. Strength is going up steadily everyday I’d say…I’ve been pretty fortunate and haven’t had much sides either. Slight increase in irritability which I felt more the first few days of tren. After that it kinda of went away…Now I’m just horny as fuck nonstop banging my wife like a rabbit haha. Had some weird thoughts like wanting to have sex with her mom and then one time had this weird desire for her to suck on my fingers which was only one time. I’ve had some weird pain or something usually in my forearms…like a ligament/tendon pain it feels almost like a bicep tendinitis. I’m 99.9% sure it’s when my water consumption drops below a gallon or so a day. When my water intake is solid I don’t feel it. Also hair growth has drastically gone up…my facial hair grows fast as fuck and my chest hair as well.
Pumps in the gym are fucking gnarly right now especially lower back pumps on squat or deadlift days lol. To the point where I need to stop and do something else so I don’t look like an idiot sitting down nonstop trying to stretch my back and whatever to make it go away. Taurine helps it like 25%…almost unnoticeable on some days. Other than that I have about 4 more weeks of this blast before I cruise. Looking forward to seeing how this last month goes.
As of last night my weight was at 207.8lbs. My diet has been kind of fucked the last week or so because I’m currently moving…so eating at home and meal prepping was pretty much non existent while eating out and hitting up McDonald’s or Taco Bell etc was becoming normal. Other than that training didn’t stop at all. Went from training in my home gym to training in the base gyms or a buddies barbell gym.
I haven’t changed any of the gear I’m using at all. Running 500 test/week, 400 tren/week, and 100 anadrol/day. Strength is going up steadily everyday I’d say…I’ve been pretty fortunate and haven’t had much sides either. Slight increase in irritability which I felt more the first few days of tren. After that it kinda of went away…Now I’m just horny as fuck nonstop banging my wife like a rabbit haha. Had some weird thoughts like wanting to have sex with her mom and then one time had this weird desire for her to suck on my fingers which was only one time. I’ve had some weird pain or something usually in my forearms…like a ligament/tendon pain it feels almost like a bicep tendinitis. I’m 99.9% sure it’s when my water consumption drops below a gallon or so a day. When my water intake is solid I don’t feel it. Also hair growth has drastically gone up…my facial hair grows fast as fuck and my chest hair as well.
Pumps in the gym are fucking gnarly right now especially lower back pumps on squat or deadlift days lol. To the point where I need to stop and do something else so I don’t look like an idiot sitting down nonstop trying to stretch my back and whatever to make it go away. Taurine helps it like 25%…almost unnoticeable on some days. Other than that I have about 4 more weeks of this blast before I cruise. Looking forward to seeing how this last month goes.
Deezznutzz
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Do you have any labs yet? I was curious to see how bad Tren message up your blood work.
Verysleepy2k8
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First cycle running test and dbol, swaps to anavar ups test lowers test then runs anadrol and tren??
What in the actual fuck am I reading here mate this sounds like you want the godlike body instantly and are just throwing all sorts of drugs at it to try and achieve it.....
Your liver is going to be fucked. 3 orals back to back with tren added etc without ever having experience in bloodwork, estro management... Etc etc.
Saving anavar for cruise? Lol. So your going to blast and mini blast then prob blast again after 3 weeks.
My advice: drop the orals and all other compounds except test. Your liver needs a break, your BP is always elevated, and run just test for the remainder.
Then take your time off and learn how to dial in your e2 on cruise if at all needed, then for your next blast, perhaps then add in ONE new compound at a time so you know the differences.
Good luck regardless but this is retarded. You've done your orals past a normal amount of time, back off. Save tren etc for when you actually have mastered each compound.
What in the actual fuck am I reading here mate this sounds like you want the godlike body instantly and are just throwing all sorts of drugs at it to try and achieve it.....
Your liver is going to be fucked. 3 orals back to back with tren added etc without ever having experience in bloodwork, estro management... Etc etc.
Saving anavar for cruise? Lol. So your going to blast and mini blast then prob blast again after 3 weeks.
My advice: drop the orals and all other compounds except test. Your liver needs a break, your BP is always elevated, and run just test for the remainder.
Then take your time off and learn how to dial in your e2 on cruise if at all needed, then for your next blast, perhaps then add in ONE new compound at a time so you know the differences.
Good luck regardless but this is retarded. You've done your orals past a normal amount of time, back off. Save tren etc for when you actually have mastered each compound.
PinIt2WinIt
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Lmao traps are flexed a little. Neck is larger though because I do neck work consistently. Height and weight standards in the military are retarded…at 5’11 my max is 197. To counter that unless you have a small waist around belly button you’re going to need a larger neck.
PinIt2WinIt
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Nah man relax…just reading and hearing what different people do etc. I’m not running anything other than a low dose test for a cruise. I ran the different compounds to see how I would react. Test and dbol did absolutely nothing for me…may as well take Creatine. I was able to get anavar and gave that a try for a short bit as well as anadrol.
Call it what you want but i found out what shit works for me and in what way. I’m not going to waste my time running test and one oral for 6 weeks and getting barely noticeable results or if any. Another thing to note is I haven’t had any wild estrogen side effects.
Not trying to argue with you at all I get what you’re saying…but when you estro management maybe I’m lucky but I haven’t had to deal with it. If you read anything rather than skim through and get the wave tops of every post then you would know that my BP has actually improved since I STARTED using any gear.
But hey man to each their own. I’ve learned a lot and what works for me well. I don’t plan on running really much of anything other than the shit I’ve already tried. I’m not a body builder by any means and I’m not trying to do this professionally etc. I want to get strong as fuck, compete a few times, and have fun. Maybe adjust dosages in the future to really dial shit in but that’s it.
PinIt2WinIt
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Week 12:
Current weight is 209#’s exactly. Feeling like I’m getting a little more muscular or dropping some fat…either way I’m happy with it. Just moved to another state so my diet was a little fucky for a little bit but now I’m back on track again. Haven’t tested out my maxes in a while…switched gears and started doing a more muscle building type of program (sets of 10 on squats/bench) Did notice today that I pr’d on a front squat…hit 315 for 5! Did 275 for 3 and then 315 for 3 and felt like on my last set I had some more gas in the tank so hit it for five. My old max for front squat was 315 for a hard three. This was also after doing 15x2 for speed pulls with 225. Other than that bench weight is feeling lighter as well. I’ve got a week left then I’ll start my cruise. Only reason is because I’ve got about a dose of tren left and a couple more amps of test that I just want to finish off nothing crazy.
Current weight is 209#’s exactly. Feeling like I’m getting a little more muscular or dropping some fat…either way I’m happy with it. Just moved to another state so my diet was a little fucky for a little bit but now I’m back on track again. Haven’t tested out my maxes in a while…switched gears and started doing a more muscle building type of program (sets of 10 on squats/bench) Did notice today that I pr’d on a front squat…hit 315 for 5! Did 275 for 3 and then 315 for 3 and felt like on my last set I had some more gas in the tank so hit it for five. My old max for front squat was 315 for a hard three. This was also after doing 15x2 for speed pulls with 225. Other than that bench weight is feeling lighter as well. I’ve got a week left then I’ll start my cruise. Only reason is because I’ve got about a dose of tren left and a couple more amps of test that I just want to finish off nothing crazy.
Damn, those shoes look like platforms.
PinIt2WinIt
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I didn’t even notice that until you said that hahaha. I think it’s just the mirror angle or something. Regular ass vans nothing crazy. I’m already 5’11 not trying to be any taller lol
PinIt2WinIt
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Lol was running tren at 400mg the last 4 weeks.
PinIt2WinIt
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Last update of this cycle… week 13.
About to pin my last 250mg of test tomorrow. Last pin of tren was on Sunday. Body weight is at 210.6#’s as of just now. Haven’t maxed out been doing a hypertrophy period in my training. So what I can tell you is at the beginning of my cycle I think I could hit 225 on bench for 3 maybe 4? Just hit 225 for 11 on Monday night. Hit squats yesterday…315 for 3x10. My first set I think I could have easily done 15 with potentially grinding out 20. Before cycle I was up to around 250ish for a set of 20. Every now and then I’ll do a challenge set and see what kind of weight I can hit for 20 reps. So all in all I’m pretty pumped. Going to start my cruise get bloods done like a smart person and until my shit looks good I’ll start my next blast. I’ll be doing 500mg/wk of test and 300-400mg/wk of NPP. In addition to that I’m going to start getting 300g of protein per day. I think I’ll see some solid results with that. Until next time!
About to pin my last 250mg of test tomorrow. Last pin of tren was on Sunday. Body weight is at 210.6#’s as of just now. Haven’t maxed out been doing a hypertrophy period in my training. So what I can tell you is at the beginning of my cycle I think I could hit 225 on bench for 3 maybe 4? Just hit 225 for 11 on Monday night. Hit squats yesterday…315 for 3x10. My first set I think I could have easily done 15 with potentially grinding out 20. Before cycle I was up to around 250ish for a set of 20. Every now and then I’ll do a challenge set and see what kind of weight I can hit for 20 reps. So all in all I’m pretty pumped. Going to start my cruise get bloods done like a smart person and until my shit looks good I’ll start my next blast. I’ll be doing 500mg/wk of test and 300-400mg/wk of NPP. In addition to that I’m going to start getting 300g of protein per day. I think I’ll see some solid results with that. Until next time!
Deezznutzz
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Any blood work on all these drugs? Something sounds bunk or under dosed. Maybe the test is weak ? You took a shit ton of gear and barely gained any weight. Diet is way off or bunk gear. I have poor genetics but got way better results off my last 4 cycles and never took half the shit you did. What was your max test levels? Maybe you switched up the cycle too much.Maybe my 2 years on 200 trt helped me out more though. On these 12 week cycles I only ran the orals 8 weeks.
1. 400 test 50 dbol 12 weeks
2.500 test 50 anavar 12 weeks
3.500 test 50 anavar/50 winstrol 12 weeks
4. 600 test 50/winstrol /50 anavar 12 weeks
1. 400 test 50 dbol 12 weeks
2.500 test 50 anavar 12 weeks
3.500 test 50 anavar/50 winstrol 12 weeks
4. 600 test 50/winstrol /50 anavar 12 weeks
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PinIt2WinIt
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No I’m a retard…procrastinated and here I am. Lol. Live and learn. But dude the big thing that really pissed me off was I literally didn’t gain an ounce of weight or strength on four weeks of dbol. From 30mg a day going up to 50mg per day the last week. I don’t think my diet was too bad honestly…was it perfect without imperfections? Nah. But I was eating in a surplus for sure tracking literally every single thing I put in my mouth. Fluctuated between 3200-3400 calories a day.
Program is solid too…didn’t change it whatsoever kept going hard and sleeping good. Maybe I did switch up too much? But at the same time the test was ALWAYS in my system. Only things that changed were the orals and then adding tren at the end. The tren I could actually feel. Like I could feel that shit while I was pinning. Also noticed strength and energy literally skyrocket. The anavar I took did the same…my maxes went up after just 3 weeks of anavar. But who knows… the test was from Driada. I’ll start pinning low dose test from GL on Monday. We’ll see if I notice any changes switching to their stuff. Also going to increase my protein intake and lower my carbs slightly just because I feel like I get a little fat when my carbs get high.
Deezznutzz
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Test may have been weak. Always get labs so you can spot that. Like 400 a week puts me at 2525 test and 500 a week over 3500.Anavar is easy to spot because I get vascular. Veins you can see from the wrist pop out all the way up to your shoulders.Dbol was probably fake too. I gained 25 pounds on dbol mostly water but the scale moved and dbol is the only steroid I took that family and friends asked if I was on steroids so dbols obvious lol.
PinIt2WinIt
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Yeah man exactly! I posted it on his thread saying it didn’t do anything and he was wondering why also…lol I figured dbol wouldn’t be faked since it’s so cheap and easy? Idk…won’t go back to their shit though. It’ll be good to be on this cruise and getting bloods done with just having 200mg a week in my system from GL’s stuff. See what everything looks like etc. I was like maybe I just don’t respond to dbol??? Lol I’m not over exaggerating either. I didn’t gain an ounce! Super let down from that. Fuck it though man love and learn. Life goes on!
