First Cycle, Seeking Advice

[Thesauceboss]

Lol haha dont do fucking juice you lazy pussywhipped bitch boy.
"Snap city reject looking mother fucker"
Id be ashamed if i posted that i am too lazy to gain 4 lbs naturally and had to take AAS to do so. Pathetic as fuck. Take a look at the crossfit and gay pride forums. People will be much more understanding over there.

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[Jerkthamerk]

Clomid and nolvadex should be all you will need along with an Ai to fight the estrogen rebound when coming off test. Only use it if need be (start seeing tits or excess water). You never wanna kill your estrogen off completely.

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It's fine if you want to give advise but atleast make sure you personally have experience. Being 19yo I would hope that most of the things you are recommending are from research, and that's all well and good. Many of the things you have read don't have study's to back them but are believed to a high degree among many bbrs. Just cool the jets on advice, bashing; advice, bashing. One or the other.

Also there's no such thing as estro rebound.

 

[Thesauceboss]

It's fine if you want to give advise but atleast make sure you personally have experience. Being 19yo I would hope that most of the things you are recommending are from research, and that's all well and good. Many of the things you have read don't have study's to back them but are believed to a high degree among many bbrs. Just cool the jets on advice, bashing; advice, bashing. One or the other.

Also there's no such thing as estro rebound.

Lol ive got personal experience
, speaking what works for me. Now i dont see any reason this dude needs to run gear for 4 or 5 fucking pounds.

It's fine if you want to give advise but atleast make sure you personally have experience. Being 19yo I would hope that most of the things you are recommending are from research, and that's all well and good. Many of the things you have read don't have study's to back them but are believed to a high degree among many bbrs. Just cool the jets on advice, bashing; advice, bashing. One or the other.

Also there's no such thing as estro rebound.

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[Jerkthamerk]

Lol ive got personal experience
, speaking what works for me. Now i dont see any reason this dude needs to run gear for 4 or 5 fucking pounds.



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Believe me I do not agree with his original planned cycle either. But it is only possible to gain around 20lbs of actual muscle in a whole year. Obviously that number fluctuates person to person. Most AAS users only cycle 2-3 times per year max. If you quickly do the math it comes out to around 10lbs per cycle that you would actually be able to keep when all is said and done. Whether the bulk was gained on the first cycle or not. If you take into account the small stature of some bbrs this number could drop.

Now while I do think that 5lbs is not a very good goal to set I don't think he's that far off from what someone would end up keeping after pct on a very light cycle. Probably would be closer to 8-10.

Also it doesn't sound like a lot but 10lbs of muscle on a smaller stature man would be much more than noticeable.

 

[ScabbyJr]

Thanks for your comments. I appreciate your restraint, but I am interested to hear your insight. I assume you mean by 'doing too much' you mean trying to bulk and cut in the same cycle? The logic behind that plan is based on a four-week training period. I know from previous injury that I can lift intensely for four weeks before I need a deload (or risk reawakening tendonosis). Instead of deloading right away (and wasting three weeks of ester in my system), my thought was to reduce my workload to three days of reverse pyramid on the Big Three while cutting, which was the point of the Anavar.

As I think this all through more, maybe the best approach for first wading into the water is just a three week Test P cycle (perhaps 80mg EOD) timed with weeks 2-4 of my lifting program. Those are the weeks I usually see best progress. Then immediately afterward start PCT while switching to maintenance and deload.

Again, my key goals are 4-5 lbs lean gain and HPTA safety. As long as the delta on mass gain is in my favor (gain-to-loss during PCT) and I'm managing my risk well, I am cool with that. Even if I don't hit 4 lbs first cycle, if I recover well I can repeat until I get there. It also means I won't be ripping any t-shirts in 12 weeks which would likely get noticed by colleagues and clients (not to mention my wife!).

At your age just find a trt doc who will put you on 150-200 mg of test c a week. All your looking for is 5 pounds? On 200 a week I put on 15 in about 4 months.

 

[Thesauceboss]

Believe me I do not agree with his original planned cycle either. But it is only possible to gain around 20lbs of actual muscle in a whole year. Obviously that number fluctuates person to person. Most AAS users only cycle 2-3 times per year max. If you quickly do the math it comes out to around 10lbs per cycle that you would actually be able to keep when all is said and done. Whether the bulk was gained on the first cycle or not. If you take into account the small stature of some bbrs this number could drop.

Now while I do think that 5lbs is not a very good goal to set I don't think he's that far off from what someone would end up keeping after pct on a very light cycle. Probably would be closer to 8-10.

Also it doesn't sound like a lot but 10lbs of muscle on a smaller stature man would be much more than noticeable.

At his frame and build it isnt all that bad but, seeing as its his first cycle, and he would have virgin receptors, id save cycling only until he is ready for a decent jump in weight. I would just run a cycle of SARMS and hcg throughout to achieve that 4 or 5 pounds if he wants a little boost or shortcut.

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[Oldschool]

Believe me I do not agree with his original planned cycle either. But it is only possible to gain around 20lbs of actual muscle in a whole year. Obviously that number fluctuates person to person. Most AAS users only cycle 2-3 times per year max. If you quickly do the math it comes out to around 10lbs per cycle that you would actually be able to keep when all is said and done. Whether the bulk was gained on the first cycle or not. If you take into account the small stature of some bbrs this number could drop.

Now while I do think that 5lbs is not a very good goal to set I don't think he's that far off from what someone would end up keeping after pct on a very light cycle. Probably would be closer to 8-10.

Also it doesn't sound like a lot but 10lbs of muscle on a smaller stature man would be much more than noticeable.

I really think you are jerking the merk WAY TOO HARD.
Why slice a good cycle up into a bunch of numbers?
Train and Eat Hard.
Pin a little.
Simple.

 

[Big_paul]

I'm pretty close to my genetic max without risking injury to overtraining (keep in mind my age guys!).

Bullshit.

 

[Thesauceboss]

Take a look at kevin levrone

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[Jerkthamerk]

I really think you are jerking the merk WAY TOO HARD.
Why slice a good cycle up into a bunch of numbers?
Train and Eat Hard.
Pin a little.
Simple.

I'm not sure what your talking about. I completely agree with you. I do not think its a good plan. Just saying that someone his size on a light cycle would in fact probably only gain 10 or less actual pounds of lean muscle mass that is kept. He said half of that so I wasn't really defending him on that either. I think it would be hard for someone that is short and has a small base to get anywhere near 15-20 lbs on a light cycle.

 

[Thesauceboss]

All training and diet dependant. Maybe if he eats the amount a rabbit does, i could see that being harder to achieve. I know a few people of shorter size and stature that have gone from 155lbs up to mid 180's in one cycle of test only and have kept mostly all the lean muscle gains and just loose the water and fat.

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[Throwback]

All training and diet dependant. Maybe if he eats the amount a rabbit does, i could see that being harder to achieve. I know a few people of shorter size and stature that have gone from 155lbs up to mid 180's in one cycle of test only and have kept mostly all the lean muscle gains and just loose the water and fat.

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Im a good example of that....147 to 191 first cycle test only....kept 16-18 lbs.
My avi is at 168....yesterday after almost another year and a half i was 194.

 

[newtothegame999]

You sure make a lot of excuses. Might as well tattoo pussy on your forehead.

Newsflash Asshole, not everyone share the same goals as you. GFY!

 

[Thesauceboss]

Newsflash Asshole, not everyone share the same goals as you. GFY!

If you dont wanna get big and only gain a couple pounds then dont fucking juice. You sure take offence to common sense . Drink a couple more loads from your boyfriend, thatll be all you need.

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[newtothegame999]

Thanks to those who provided useful insight. Gear does seem to offer the potential I am looking for and probably the best strategy for me (considering travel, etc.) is a longer cycle of Test E at the lower end of performance levels. If I do give this a shot, I'll wait until after new year when my travel schedule tames down and give my arm a few more months of rehab so I can up my intensity and fully benefit from the gear.

SARMs are interesting but judging from logs and a lot of posts on forums, the risk-reward seems pretty limp (very minor gain potential versus the unknown long-term effects and HPTA suppression). With gear the performance, sides and risks are very well researched and established.

SERMs seem like a potential option for an experiment. Gain potential seems low compared to other options, but with a low risk it may be worth a short. It may offer better potential than OTC test booster supplements (DAA, tribulus, etc.) and just give enough bump to advance my goals.

 

[Trapmonster]

Lol ive got personal experience
, speaking what works for me. Now i dont see any reason this dude needs to run gear for 4 or 5 fucking pounds.



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Kid compared to most on this board you don't know shit. Pipe down, take a seat back and learn. Don't go around giving advice on shit you have no experience on just because you researched it. Let the vets chime in

 

[Trapmonster]

All op needs to do is diet and exercise. Diet diet diet diet! That being key. If you don't want to put forth the effort on something that can be done naturally within 3 month period, then this isn't for you.