First Cycle [Tbol Only][Valkyrie]

Ko-Ala

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Hi guys,

As the title states, this is my first AAS cycle. Please keep in mind that English is my 3rd language, so i'll do my best comprehension wise ! :)
Sooo, 1st cycle, oral only = Tbol. I chose to do an oral only not because i'm afraid of needles, but because i want to get a feel of AAS, so i'm starting softly, with a mild steroid cycle. Maybe sometime next year i'll do a Test + oral cycle... i'll see.

Right now i'm in the 4th week of my cycle, so i'll include in this first post the updates of Week 1,2, and 3.

When I started my cycle i was sitting at 85-85.5 kgs. Right now (week 4 i'm at 90.5 kgs).

DIET :

Maintenance (at 85.5 kgs) was at 3'200-3'300 kcal. Macros were : 320 carbs, 90 fat, 230 protein.

During my cycle it's like this : 3'800-4'000 kcal. Macros : 400-450 carbs, 100 fat, 280-300 protein.

My diet can vary, but it consists mainly of :

- Whole wheat bread
-Slices of chicken/turkey breast
- turkey/chicken breast
- Pasta or mashed potatoes
-White rice
-Mashed apples
-Fruits
-Green veggies
-oat flour

Supplementation : Oméga 3-6-9, liv.52, taurine, magnesium, multivitamins, pre-workout, whey protein, BCAA's

CYCLE :

Goal : Gain quality mass and strength, and keeping most of it post-cycle.. ;)


Week 1->2 : 40 mg Tbol + 6 liv.52 (liver protection) / day (START : 3 November)
Week 3->6 : 50 mg Tbol + 6 liv.52 (liver protection) / day

PCT : Day 1 (1 day after last Tbol tab) : 100 mg Clomid + 40 mg Nolva
Day 2->22 : 50 mg Clomid + 20 mg Nolva

Only "problem" : During my 2nd week of PCT i'll be in my home country on vacations, i'll keep hitting the gym 5 days a week, the only thing that'll change is my diet, it'll be a bit more fatty...

Otherwise, I just did a blood test, mid-cycle, i'll post up the results here when i get them... And my 2nd blood test will be in january, a couple of weeks post-cycle, to see if everything went back to normal !

TRAINING :

Stats : Bench : 90 kgs x 1 ; Deadlift : 200 kgs x 1 ; Squat : 135 kgs x 1

Monday : Chest-Biceps (normally i do triceps, but i recently changed)
Tuesday : Back-Triceps ( """""""""""""""")
Wednesday : Shoulders-Traps
Thursday : Legs-Calves
Friday : Chest-Arms
Sat-Sun : Rest

Arms and Chest being my weak muscles i work them 2x a week...

There's everything to know about my cycle. I'll post weekly updates mainly consisting of cycle feels, side effects, problems etc.. and MAYBE a before and after pic (privacy wise...).

Thank you all for reading my post, I'll try and reply to every message, and i'm all ears for advice/questions :)


Weekly Updates :

Week 1 (3 nov - 10 nov) : Starting weight 85.5 kgs, Now : 87.0 kgs Caloric increase from 3'300 to 3'800 made my weight go up, i don't think it's because of the Tbol.. as it takes about 2-3 weeks to kick in :)
No strength gains, no significant change in muscle mass either. Some headaches, nothing bad.

Week 2 (10 nov - 17 nov) : Weight 10 nov : 87 kgs, now : 88.0 kgs. Bodyfat has not increased, i don't feel fatter or more muscular than last week.
However i feel a bit stronger. I hit 205 kgs x 1 rep on my deadlift last week.

Week 3 (17 nov - 24 nov) : Weight 17 nov : 88.0 kgs, now : 90 kgs. Bodyfat hast slightly increased. I'm more muscular, i'm getting some commentaries from a few people in the gym.. saying that i'm looking fuller. Strength is coming well... i FINALLY got my 3 plates last week (140 kgs x 1).

Sides : lower back pumps are horrible ! I had to stop my dealifts at 180 kgs because of them...

On monday (23rd nov) my pump was different, it was borderline painful... chest and biceps were really really pumped...

Diet has not moved ... 3'800-4'000 kcal.


I'm now at the middle of my 4th week... today i almost got 150 kgs x 1 rep on squats... Almost :/


Next update will be tuesday 1st december ! :)
 
Why dont you just do a simple 500mg week TestC or E cycle instead?

@Dr JIM @Docd187123 would you please help him. Im not one for giving advice with oral only cycles.
 
Why dont you just do a simple 500mg week TestC or E cycle instead?

@Dr JIM @Docd187123 would you please help him. Im not one for giving advice with oral only cycles.

As I said before, i want to get a feel of AAS by starting a mild oral only cycle, and sometime next year i'll do a 500mg/week Test E cycle. Also, it's kind of a hassle to hide vials and syringes from my parents.. since i still live with them

You do realize I'm not a doctor right lol?

OP: I'm not a fan of an oral only cycle. And liver protection is a waste of your money.

Why would it be a waste of money ? Tbol and other oral AAS have a 17-alka... molecule that is very toxic on the liver, and everybody takes a liver support whilst on a oral cycle.




Anyways, just got back my blood test results.. i'll post them up tomorrow
 
Why can't you post them now?

Also a lot of liver protection is a waste because it's like other supplements they don't do jack shit.

You are doing an oral only cycle because you can't handle needles, well you shouldn't do aas in my book. Oral only cycles are not ran long enough in my opinion to hold gains, that's why they are usually used with injectables and usually long esters.

You are almost done with this cycle so no point in getting info about oral only cycles, next time do an actual cycle.
 
As I said before, i want to get a feel of AAS by starting a mild oral only cycle, and sometime next year i'll do a 500mg/week Test E cycle. Also, it's kind of a hassle to hide vials and syringes from my parents.. since i still live with them

You have larger issues if you're cycling in your parent's house. That's fucked up. If you're not living on your own or paying rent why would you do that to your parents?

Why would it be a waste of money ?

Bc the way to treat AAS related hepatotoxicity is to stop taking the offending compound/s. There is no supplement cure regardless of what supplement manufacturers would have you believe.

Tbol and other oral AAS have a 17-alka... molecule that is very toxic on the liver, and everybody takes a liver support whilst on a oral cycle.

Beer is toxic on the liver, do you or anyone you know take a liver supplement when you or they drink?
 




Here are my blood results. Test is very low. Sorry but the results are in french as i Live in a french country :/
 
Why can't you post them now?

Also a lot of liver protection is a waste because it's like other supplements they don't do jack shit.

You are doing an oral only cycle because you can't handle needles, well you shouldn't do aas in my book. Oral only cycles are not ran long enough in my opinion to hold gains, that's why they are usually used with injectables and usually long esters.

You are almost done with this cycle so no point in getting info about oral only cycles, next time do an actual cycle.

Hey, last night I wasn't home so I couldn't post them... I just posted them up now.
As I said, I'm not afraid of needles, if I were I wouldn't have been able to handle the blood test from last week... I guess for the holding of gains we'll just have to see after my PCT ?
Thanks for your input.

You have larger issues if you're cycling in your parent's house. That's fucked up. If you're not living on your own or paying rent why would you do that to your parents?



Bc the way to treat AAS related hepatotoxicity is to stop taking the offending compound/s. There is no supplement cure regardless of what supplement manufacturers would have you believe.



Beer is toxic on the liver, do you or anyone you know take a liver supplement when you or they drink?

Hey man, I don't see why living in my parents house has anything to do with an AAS cycle ? That's not fucked up in any way in my opinion. I have a job, i'm studying at university (college), I pay for my own things (food, gas etc..) i have a car that i paid for, insurance etc.. etc...

I rarely drink alcohol BTW.

Thanks for your input :)

@Ko-Ala Refer to the two posts above if you wonder why "???" ^^^^

Yup, thanks !
 
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