First cycle - Test E + dbol

[testosterone_bro]

hello, fellas
I'll start my first cycle in 2~3 months, and would like the opinion of you guys about the protocol
about me:
age: 18
height: 1.85
pounds: 180
body fat: ~10%

1-10 Test E 500mg every week
2-10 HCG 500IU every week
6-12 Dbol 50mg every day

6-9 Anastrozole 0,5mg every other day
10-11 Anastrozole 0,5mg every 2 day
11-12 Anastrozole 0,5mg every 3 day

PCT:
13-17 L-Dopa ED
13-17 Vitamin E 1000IU ED
13-14 Nolva 40mg ED
15-16 Nolva 20mg ED

thanks!

 

[noah_k]

I think at 18 it's still too young, also considering 6'1"/180lbs. People don't just throw that around to be jerks either, there's very good reason for it. It's repeated everywhere too, so at this point you know it and choose to ignore it. But you're an adult and the choice is yours. But you're lean, presumably fit, and have plenty of room to grow the next few years, so why not make the most of it before jumping on AAS?

The cycle is also a little odd. Would make more sense to start with the oral, and 10wks is quite short for enanthate. I did nolva only for my first PCT and thought it was okay, but I'm convinced the others have it right when they say to pair nolva & clomid.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

hello, fellas
I'll start my first cycle in 2~3 months, and would like the opinion of you guys about the protocol
about me:
age: 18
height: 1.85
pounds: 180
body fat: ~10%

1-10 Test E 500mg every week
2-10 HCG 500IU every week
6-12 Dbol 50mg every day

6-9 Anastrozole 0,5mg every other day
10-11 Anastrozole 0,5mg every 2 day
11-12 Anastrozole 0,5mg every 3 day

PCT:
13-17 L-Dopa ED
13-17 Vitamin E 1000IU ED
13-14 Nolva 40mg ED
15-16 Nolva 20mg ED

thanks!

Don't do it man.. I know guys that cycled around your age and their natty test never can back.. You're only 18, you know you're not ready to commit to a lifetime of pinning..

 

[lightspan]

Noah hit the nail on the head. At 18, your natty test levels are as high as they will ever be. I realize someone probably told you, or you convinced yourself, that you're a "hard gainer." That is a myth. I recommend a cycle of "foodadrol." Seriously, eat more, lift heavier, you will put on mass. If you can't gain natty at 18, AAS will not fix the problem, and you will lose all your gains because you do not have a good base and don't eat enough. EAT BIG. Track your calories, figure out your bmr, then add 300 cals a day. If you're not gaining, add more.

At 35 this worked for me WITHOUT AAS, so at 18 it surely will work for you. If you must run AAS though, your cycle is pretty screwy, ending with dbol makes no sense, you are planning to ramp down your AI when you will probably need to ramp it up, dbol will give you estro sides and they will get worse the longer you take it. Use nolva and clomid for pct, and look into HCG. You need to do your homework.

Good luck. I hope you decide to wait.

 

[testosterone_bro]

Guys, I appreciate the tips and advices about the use of steroides in my age, but I believe that the story of "no return testosterone" is exaggerated. Ask you about these people who know that they have problems with steroids: What level of knowledge of diet and training they had? which steroids and dosages used? They were monitored with some blood tests? They made an effective post cycle therapy? There are many issues involved in this, and certainly, the most important: biological individuality.
About the dbol at the last weeks, I recommend that translate into some website and read this text made by Dudu Haluch: http://www.duduhaluch.com.br/porque-nao-fazer-kick-start-dudu/

The idea of the kick start and front load is to maximize the gains early in the cycle, where the breakdown of homeostasis is more violent. This is very effective, but the problem is that when you do that end up hormone levels stabilize soon. Just because you started with a greater amount of androgens in the first weeks and the rest of the cycle smaller doses will not be sufficient to make significant gains. Because gains from a cycle tend to stabilize at ~ 6-8 weeks (W. Llewellyn, Anabolics, p. 67) [4]. With practice the kick start and / or front load the tendency is that the gains to stabilize before, immediately after dose reduction, then I believe they can still be useful in short cycles (as discussed in the article itself front load, but most forget that part) [1].

Simple conclusion is:
'Never reduce the dose of anabolic hormones during a cycle with the aim of gains, you will be accelerating the process of homeostasis' - Dudu Haluch"

Again, thanks for the tips and advices!

 

[jabrel3]

First of all, don't do it bro. Im telling you this as someone who did their first cycle at age 18 and looking back its nothing I'm proud of and I wish I would have waited at least a couple more years. Not saying to wait until your 30, but holding off just a couple of years may greatly benefit you. I also understand though, that you may have made up your mind, and when I was in your shoes, it was hard to get any solid advice because many people just flame you because of your age and at the time I didn't care. If you are going to go out and run the cycle regardless of advice not to, I would say take the Dbol out and maybe lower the test dose to around 400mg. Your body will respond dramatically to your first cycle and therefore you won't need Dbol, if you have to have an oral swith it for anavar, much less toxic. Again, this is just my opinion, and my first and foremost advice is, do not run the cycle and wait a few years.

-Jabrel

 

[lightspan]

Well, I guess you're going to do what you're going to do. Good luck. Again, let me emphasize that without a solid base and having your diet locked in, you will lose any gains. You have to maintain that additional mass. At a minimum, figure out your diet (yeah, you do have to count calories and macros). Go look in the cycle log forum, virtually every cycle log has a detailed discussion of diet. AAS are not miracle drugs, diet is determinative.

First cycle: test e, 500 mg/week for 12 weeks. Lose the dbol. More is not better for a first cycle.