First cycle thoughts

[Juiced4dayz]

Looking for thoughts on a first cycle from a few veterans and long time juicers as I've been researching for the past few months but because there is so much information and mixed opinions on things I'm still a bit undecided on pct and how to bounce back properly after this cycle .

Stats
84kg (185 pounds)
6ft or just about
Traning for 3 years hard and heavy 6 days a week
Bench 115kg 1rm
Squat 160kg 1rm
Deadlift 190kg
Db shoulder press 40 kilo dumbbells for 5rm
Been thinking about the cycle for a while now and trying to get as much info as I can to do this a safe as possible.
Will be getting pre cycle bloods and post cycle bloods couple weeks after pct

Proposed cycle
Test E 500mg
Wk 1-12 Might extend to 15 wks.
Also thinking about taking Anavar for the last 4 weeks as I've been wanting to try this oral and only planning to cycle this once and come off for a while with no intentions of another one for a good while ,
So maybe anavar.
Wk 8-12
hcg wk 4 or 6 till wk 12 ? 250ug twice week
Also confused on when is best to use hcg from reading the comprehensive guide to pct which is stickied on meso he recommends hcg during cycle but yet michael scally recommends blasting hcg for 20 days ? Also have read about swale hcg protocol might use this and thoughts or advice will be greatly appreciated
Also a bit undecided about best way to use nolva and clomid
Will start pct 3 weeks or 4 after last pin ?
Clomid 50/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20 ?
Or comid first for 2 weeks or so then add in nolva ?
Also will have arimdex on hand but also undecided on a dosage maybe .25 every other day or 3 days ...
Is this to much or to little don't want to crash estrogen and also don't want any nasty sides want this cycle to really have an effect on my physique
Any advice from long timers and veterans would be great thanks !

 

[SuperMaroid]

A beginner cycle should look like this:

12-15 weeks Test E or Cyp 500mg a week
HCG 500iu twice a week during cycle
AI taken when needed during cycle
PCT Nolva and Clomid 2-3 weeks after last shot

Make sure you have everything on hand before you start.

Save the Anavar for the future, Test only first cycle.

AI should only be taken when you have estrogen related sides. No point putting more drugs in your body when you dont need to.

HCG should be run entire time during the cycle.

Nolva and Clomid should be used together.

 

[goldprospector]

What is your age?
Keep Cycle at 12 weeks.
I personally think a first cycle should no more like 250 Test E E4D's. But an argument can be made for 500. If so I would use Cyp E7D
I don't think HCG should be used entire cycle ( its only a vanity issue, you will still be shut down no matter what size your nuts are). I would used 5000 iu's split equally for the last 4 weeks of the cycle so your nuts will be proper size and ready to start producing when the time comes.
Leave off Anavar.
Again, I don't like Clomid and Nolva together for PCT. Clomid makes a lot of guys turn into a crying bitch. I would use Nolva only for 4 weeks 40/40/20/20.

That is the first cycle of tons of people from years ago. It works and works great.

 

[Juiced4dayz]

What is your age?
Keep Cycle at 12 weeks.
I personally think a first cycle should no more like 250 Test E E4D's. But an argument can be made for 500. If so I would use Cyp E7D
I don't think HCG should be used entire cycle ( its only a vanity issue, you will still be shut down no matter what size your nuts are). I would used 5000 iu's split equally for the last 4 weeks of the cycle so your nuts will be proper size and ready to start producing when the time comes.
Leave off Anavar.
Again, I don't like Clomid and Nolva together for PCT. Clomid makes a lot of guys turn into a crying bitch. I would use Nolva only for 4 weeks 40/40/20/20.

That is the first cycle of tons of people from years ago. It works and works great.

What is your age?
Keep Cycle at 12 weeks.
I personally think a first cycle should no more like 250 Test E E4D's. But an argument can be made for 500. If so I would use Cyp E7D
I don't think HCG should be used entire cycle ( its only a vanity issue, you will still be shut down no matter what size your nuts are). I would used 5000 iu's split equally for the last 4 weeks of the cycle so your nuts will be proper size and ready to start producing when the time comes.
Leave off Anavar.
Again, I don't like Clomid and Nolva together for PCT. Clomid makes a lot of guys turn into a crying bitch. I would use Nolva only for 4 weeks 40/40/20/20.

That is the first cycle of tons of people from years ago. It works and works great.

I'm 21, will more than likely run the cycle for 12-15 weeks to get most benefit , will probably run nolva and clomid together but taper down doses the last week , yeah will use hcg last 4 weeks , had 1st pin yesterday hopefully feel the strength rising from week 2 onwards

 

[wedorecover]

Your to young for one and you need to do more reading .... 185 lb at 6ft you don’t need gear yet

 

[Juiced4dayz]

I appreciate your input but I've done plently of reading over the last few months and have already pinned yesterday so there is no turning back now

 

[Munky]

Your first cycle might be your last you might wanna stay on that's another thing to look at are you super obsessive with gear and training and looking good, I know lots of guys end up cruising and blasting especially once they see the fast gains , lots of guys are on all the time and deny they are on , none of my business but something to think over

 

[goldprospector]

I appreciate your input but I've done plently of reading over the last few months and have already pinned yesterday so there is no turning back now

Do you realize that you have at least 5 more years of none growth left? A typical male keeps growing up through the age of 26 to 28. A man get so much more width and thickness in his bones during that age.
If you do an AAS cycle now, you WILL stop all bone growth.

Most people spout age and maturity as why you should not do a cycle at your age, but maturity is only secondary, Bone growth is why you should not be doing it. Truly bro, research it, and reconsider.