First cycle

[Smithmachineguyxxx]

Note: Please don't turn this thread into a flame fest, I already know the risks that I'm taking by running steroids at my current age. I also know everyone is going to suggest I do a test only cycle but I'm already set on doing this one.

Stats: 6' , 180lbs, 12-13% bf, been training for 4 years


Hello, I've been lurking around this and other steroid forums for a long time now. I'm a 21 year old male planning on starting my first cycle very soon.



I just wanted to know if my cycle plan is good to go or what could be done to improve it.

My physique goal is: 200lbs >10%bf, maybe 210 depending on how I look at 200



Cycle:

Dbol 40mg ED weeks 1-6 (kickstart)

Test e 600mg 1-14 weeks

Deca 400mg 1-12 weeks

Hcg 500UI/twice per week 2-12 weeks (stopping 3 days before the start of my PCT)

Aromasin 10-12.5mgs EOD (switching to ED if I start feeling gyno)

NAC 600mg ED for liver protection

Vitamin B6 200-300mg for prevention and 900mg if sides occur

PCT starting 3 weeks after last test e pin:

Clomid 100/100/50/50/50/50

Nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20

 

[JohnLong]

yeah you are too young.

i wouldnt use fuckin dbol or deca for a first cycle. you are just starting. i started my first cycle (sustanon) a month ago at 350/week and thats plenty imo. i would top at 500/week for a first time, thats usually a popular choice. i havent taken any of my aromasin, dont feel i need it. getting bloods done in 2 weeks to see where im at.
not sure if b vitamins will prevent side effects lol. you should use vitamin D3 (around 5000iu/day) imo.

my side effects have been very minimal. the worst has been anger. but that has only happened when driving. i've been a little bit more ruder to people while at work. i work as a butcher and it gets really fuckin annoying dealing with certain people you hate...especially when you see them all the time and have to help them lol.

 

[Smithmachineguyxxx]

yeah you are too young.

i wouldnt use fuckin dbol or deca for a first cycle. you are just starting. i started my first cycle (sustanon) a month ago at 350/week and thats plenty imo. i would top at 500/week for a first time, thats usually a popular choice. i havent taken any of my aromasin, dont feel i need it. getting bloods done in 2 weeks to see where im at.
not sure if b vitamins will prevent side effects lol. you should use vitamin D3 (around 5000iu/day) imo.

my side effects have been very minimal. the worst has been anger. but that has only happened when driving. i've been a little bit more ruder to people while at work. i work as a butcher and it gets really fuckin annoying dealing with certain people you hate...especially when you see them all the time and have to help them lol.

The B6 is to prevent deca gyno

 

[bjlw2009]

My first cycle was 12 weeks 500mgs test p 500mgs npp 50mgs Dbol (4wks) was awsome biggest ive ever looked but not the cleanest me personally I love bulking with Tren it piles on the size and keeps u lean

 

[Heavy Iron]

You will still have deca in your system when you start PCT. Just take test E 250mg (2xs per week) and that's it. Get bloods before you take anything. And why use an AI right off the rip when you have no idea how you respond to test? Get bloods 48hours after second pin on 6th week.

 

[cochino]

You're 21 and too young to run a cycle, but since you're gonna do it anyway, just go with test only 350-500 mg week, 10 weeks. Have an AI on hand, but don't use it unless you need it.
I can't help you on your pct, since I'm on trt.
Save the Deca and Dbol for later. Not sure why you or anybody else would want to run Dbol unless you are playing sports, because you won't keep the gains.
Athletes, at least in my day used Dbol in season only. Reason being because it gave you size and made you stronger, but only temporary. Once you come off, you lose both.

 

[JohnLong]

yeah like eje1990 and cochino said above: dont take your AI until you know you need it. gotta understand how your body reacts to test and the excess of estrogen

 

[rjx]

To hell with how old you are.

Why the fuck would you purposely / intentionally choose to take more drugs than what's needed? Why would you want to stress your organs, raise blood pressure, increase chance of gyno, thicken your blood, etc, for no good reason? You don't need all that to grow fast on a first cycle. You'll needlessly spend more more $$$ and your health will take a bigger hit than it should've. WE SHOULD TAKE THE MINIMAL AMOUNT OF DRUGS NEEDED TO ACHIEVE OUR REALISTIC EXPECTATIONS. <<<----- if you're going to try to cycle responsibly and not be another statistic.

3 compounds for a first cycle. If your blood pressure increases, you need to know which compound(s) is doing it. If you start getting gyno, you need to know which compound(s) is doing it. If your blood gets too thick, you need to know which compound(s) is doing it (that is if you're being responsible and getting blood work during the cycle). When you get bloated as fuck, you need to know which compound(s) is doing it. ONE OF THE GOALS FOR A FIRST CYCLE IS LEARNING HOW TO CONTROL ESTROGEN. You need to know what test sides feel like, you need to know what deca side feel like, you need to know what dbol sides feel like. How will you know what's doing what if your taking 3 drugs you've never taken? YOU WON'T.

Earlier in my post I touched on REALISTIC EXPECTATIONS. I don't think you have realistic expectations. You might gain 20-30 lbs. But your body fat % won't go down. And if you want to gain 20-30 lbs, you better learn how to run deca properly. 12 weeks is no bueno.

Speaking of gaining weight, one thing you didn't even mention, which is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, is your diet. The #1 anabolic is food. Not drugs.

I know we're all different. But when I was in my late teens, I was 212 (natural) at 12% and i'm 5'9. The reason I bring this up is because at your age, training experience, bf %, your diet could've been more spot on allowing you to be bigger at your current bf %. Get your diet and training more in check and enjoy your natural elevated test as a young 21 year old and start AAS after you've built a better foundation, and when your test levels are declining.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

I don’t know but some years earlier that was a classic first cycle , it is also now where I leave. But bro you won’t mess with deca yet you’re 21 don’t risk maybe you’ll have decka dick! In my opinion use eq. Or bulk slow a steady don’t blow up in one cycle

 

[EcpertRealistic]

Note: Please don't turn this thread into a flame fest, I already know the risks that I'm taking by running steroids at my current age. I also know everyone is going to suggest I do a test only cycle but I'm already set on doing this one.

Stats: 6' , 180lbs, 12-13% bf, been training for 4 years


Hello, I've been lurking around this and other steroid forums for a long time now. I'm a 21 year old male planning on starting my first cycle very soon.



I just wanted to know if my cycle plan is good to go or what could be done to improve it.

My physique goal is: 200lbs >10%bf, maybe 210 depending on how I look at 200



Cycle:

Dbol 40mg ED weeks 1-6 (kickstart)

Test e 600mg 1-14 weeks

Deca 400mg 1-12 weeks

Hcg 500UI/twice per week 2-12 weeks (stopping 3 days before the start of my PCT)

Aromasin 10-12.5mgs EOD (switching to ED if I start feeling gyno)

NAC 600mg ED for liver protection

Vitamin B6 200-300mg for prevention and 900mg if sides occur

PCT starting 3 weeks after last test e pin:

Clomid 100/100/50/50/50/50

Nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20

You are going to gain like 40 pounds with that cycle. If you only looking for 20 pounds you can make it happen with deca at 400 and test at 300 for 10 and 12 weeks respectively. Less shutdown, you can keep your gains much easier, less stretch marks after the steroids clear your system, less sides from AIs.

A better cycle to gain 20 solid pounds will be

Test at 200 for 10weeks
Deca at 300 for 8weeks
Adrol at 50 for 4 weeks

Only 12.5mg Aromasin every 4 days.

 

[Savagesteve]

Note: Please don't turn this thread into a flame fest, I already know the risks that I'm taking by running steroids at my current age. I also know everyone is going to suggest I do a test only cycle but I'm already set on doing this one.

Stats: 6' , 180lbs, 12-13% bf, been training for 4 years


Hello, I've been lurking around this and other steroid forums for a long time now. I'm a 21 year old male planning on starting my first cycle very soon.



I just wanted to know if my cycle plan is good to go or what could be done to improve it.

My physique goal is: 200lbs >10%bf, maybe 210 depending on how I look at 200



Cycle:

Dbol 40mg ED weeks 1-6 (kickstart)

Test e 600mg 1-14 weeks

Deca 400mg 1-12 weeks

Hcg 500UI/twice per week 2-12 weeks (stopping 3 days before the start of my PCT)

Aromasin 10-12.5mgs EOD (switching to ED if I start feeling gyno)

NAC 600mg ED for liver protection

Vitamin B6 200-300mg for prevention and 900mg if sides occur

PCT starting 3 weeks after last test e pin:

Clomid 100/100/50/50/50/50

Nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20

Over a gram a week? Really? This has deca dick and/or gyno written all over it. You need to know how your body responds to test before you go introducing other compounds.

 

[EcpertRealistic]

Over a gram a week? Really? This has deca dick and/or gyno written all over it. You need to know how your body responds to test before you go introducing other compounds.

Please stop giving advice and confusing people. You are the first one advising people to run high dosages of testosterone knowing test gains are soft and useless in bodybuilding

 

[grey]

Please stop giving advice and confusing people. You are the first one advising people to run high dosages of testosterone knowing test gains are soft and useless in bodybuilding

^ This man fucks goats. Disregard.

@OP your cycle is vastly overcomplicated for no reason.

 

[macabremitch]

if you’re set on this cycle than why are you asking if it’s go to go or needs improvement. you already know that first cycle should be test only since you’ve been lurking for awhile. you’re young you’ve got plenty of time just run testosterone and test the waters, recovery will be easier and after you bounce back you can introduce more stuff.

seems like you have a good base, the test alone will do wonders. don’t overkill shit man, your body will thank you.

 

[Savagesteve]

Please stop giving advice and confusing people. You are the first one advising people to run high dosages of testosterone knowing test gains are soft and useless in bodybuilding

You’re a troll and don’t know why I keep feeding you. You’ll never see me recommend high doses as I haven’t ran high doses myself. You’re a tool.

 

[Deleted member 59947]

Note: Please don't turn this thread into a flame fest, I already know the risks that I'm taking by running steroids at my current age. I also know everyone is going to suggest I do a test only cycle but I'm already set on doing this one.

Stats: 6' , 180lbs, 12-13% bf, been training for 4 years


Hello, I've been lurking around this and other steroid forums for a long time now. I'm a 21 year old male planning on starting my first cycle very soon.



I just wanted to know if my cycle plan is good to go or what could be done to improve it.

My physique goal is: 200lbs >10%bf, maybe 210 depending on how I look at 200



Cycle:

Dbol 40mg ED weeks 1-6 (kickstart)

Test e 600mg 1-14 weeks

Deca 400mg 1-12 weeks

Hcg 500UI/twice per week 2-12 weeks (stopping 3 days before the start of my PCT)

Aromasin 10-12.5mgs EOD (switching to ED if I start feeling gyno)

NAC 600mg ED for liver protection

Vitamin B6 200-300mg for prevention and 900mg if sides occur

PCT starting 3 weeks after last test e pin:

Clomid 100/100/50/50/50/50

Nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20

You're too young

You're too light

Aromasin dose is most likely too high

Clomid dose is most definitely too high

 

[JohnLong]

You're too young

You're too light

Aromasin dose is most likely too high

Clomid dose is most definitely too high

aromasin being too high as in the frequency or the amount?

 

[Savagesteve]

aromasin being too high as in the frequency or the amount?

Could be either really. Everyone is different and blood work will determine the ai needed. At 600 test I run that aromasin to keep e2 in check while some don’t need an ai at 5-600.

 

[JohnLong]

Could be either really. Everyone is different and blood work will determine the ai needed. At 600 test I run that aromasin to keep e2 in check while some don’t need an ai at 5-600.

OK thank you.. I'm not sure if I'll need my aroma. Is there any indicators I should take it besides blood work? Cuz I feel pretty good into week 5 without using it.

 

[Savagesteve]

OK thank you.. I'm not sure if I'll need my aroma. Is there any indicators I should take it besides blood work? Cuz I feel pretty good into week 5 without using it.

Week 5 should be plenty to get BW and see where your e2 is at. I wouldn’t rely on “feels” or “symptoms”.