First shot = nasty welt... is this a pip?

[TheDogSoldier]

29ga 1/2" needle, 100mg test enth/cyp mix in gso. New needle, wiped bottle and skin with alcohol. Subq straight into belly fat, pushed plunger slowly as possible. About 24 hours later it was inflamed. 48 hours is still inflamed but hardening up some under there, like a marble.
Have I totally missed something?

 

[T&H]

How many ML?

 

[TheDogSoldier]

1/3ml
It's at 300/ml concentration.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

1/3ml
It's at 300/ml concentration.

Pretty normal from my experience.
I just pinned .5ml last week subq (several times)
Nice big lump, sore, irritation (little bit itchy)
Literally a week and a half later.. it is down to 15% size and very little soreness.

I used Test E 250mg in GSO.

Lol, I know @Human_backhoe has a picture of his skinny self with the same redness.
If you ask him nicely he will post it, looks the same as yours.(hes on the same gear as me)
He actually hated subq so much that he switches to IM

This shit happens
I would recommend switching to IM, will still suck until your muscles arent as virgin.

In some areas where the fat is more extensive, you will see this reaction.

I'm also assuming the lump is wider horizontally than it is vertically.
Pretty standard.

Some guys try to pin in areas with less fat (leg fat etc) with good results.

Another thing you could try (If you're dead set on subq.. which I'm not a fan of)....
Get a bean bag, warm it up in the microwave.
Warm your oil
Inject
Sterilize
Apply the hot bean bag to the area and massage.

It will make the swelling and lumps BETTER and more tolerable.
But they arent going away.

keep us posted bro

 

[Jurgen]

Why subq and not im?? takes a little longer to absorb subq.

 

[Sworder]

You are going to get non stop PIP the first couple cycles. It will be even worse if you do it SubQ.

What surprised me my first cycle was:
1. The amount of and severity of PIP
2. The amount of food I could eat and grow.

If it is unbearable get sterile oil and dilute 1:1

 

[IncorrectName]

I had a similar experience on my first cycle. Pinned IM on my quad, but didn't put the needle all the way through. Which resulted in some of the oil going out of the muscle and under the skin. It was red likes yours, also itchy and it hurt a bit. Went away in a week.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

I had a similar experience on my first cycle. Pinned IM on my quad, but didn't put the needle all the way through. Which resulted in some of the oil going out of the muscle and under the skin. It was red likes yours, also itchy and it hurt a bit. Went away in a week.

Actually did that Monday.
Wasnt paying attention and needle wasnt empty.
Got some oil under the skin, injection spot looked like I got stung by a bee for about two days.

I can totally understand how this kind of stuff could concern new users.

Was also Qaud...
Just after I drowned a nerve in oil... didnt notice it in time.
PIP was nasty, I'm on a very unlucky streak lol

 

[TheDogSoldier]

Why subq and not im?? takes a little longer to absorb subq.

I figured it'd be better to be injuring fat than muscle. As far as the slower absorbing, that should lead to more stable levels.

 

[TheDogSoldier]

Could a different carrier oil be less reactive?
Would a larger ga needle be better?... I heard Dr Chrisler say that he had switched away from slin pin to 25 gator subq because the oil "jets" out of the slin pin and blasts through fast tissue.... Something to do with hydraulics and pressure...

 

[Dead]

Probly cuz u did subq

 

[Btcowboy]

Firstly I have never pinned SubQ so cant comment.

Something I have found IM, the worst part is breaking the skin after that you feel nothing unless you are near or hit a nerve which has happened to me a couple times. Yes until your used to it or if you have a reaction to it it can cause pip.

 

[Human_backhoe]

Firstly I have never pinned SubQ so cant comment.

Something I have found IM, the worst part is breaking the skin after that you feel nothing unless you are near or hit a nerve which has happened to me a couple times. Yes until your used to it or if you have a reaction to it it can cause pip.

Being newer I repeatedly make the mistake of not giving enough of a fuck when I hit a nerve . I just want it over with so I just continue till that barrel is empty haha. I expected pain coming into this. If you are not at the point of being able to accept some discomfort. ....don't do it. As long as you are clean and safe shouldn't be a problem .

 

[Btcowboy]

Being newer I repeatedly make the mistake of not giving enough of a fuck when I hit a nerve . I just want it over with so I just continue till that barrel is empty haha. I expected pain coming into this. If you are not at the point of being able to accept some discomfort. ....don't do it. As long as you are clean and safe shouldn't be a problem .

I think its subjective as to the person's pain tolerance. I can get close to the nerves as much as the muscle twitches like crazy and still pin, which generally happens for me on delts. I also had a direct hit on the nerve in my quad and let me tell you, I saw God lol.... if I am not happy with the first pin I will pull out move over a bit and pin again.

 

[Human_backhoe]

I think its subjective as to the person's pain tolerance. I can get close to the nerves as much as the muscle twitches like crazy and still pin, which generally happens for me on delts. I also had a direct hit on the nerve in my quad and let me tell you, I saw God lol.... if I am not happy with the first pin I will pull out move over a bit and pin again.

Probably a much better approach!

 

[TheDogSoldier]

So if I try IM, where's a good place to try it? I'm 15% body fat. Delts?

 

[TheDogSoldier]

^^^
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That is, with a 29ga 1/2"

 

[Human_backhoe]

So if I try IM, where's a good place to try it? I'm 15% body fat. Delts?

What is your weight? I'm not a big dude by any means and am using 25g 1 inch for delts

 

[Jurgen]

^^^
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That is, with a 29ga 1/2"

It will be hard to achieve IM with a 1/2”. Could try glute, quad or delt but at 15% bf quad or delt would be your best bet.

 

[Neewbiest guy]

So if I try IM, where's a good place to try it? I'm 15% body fat. Delts?

No man definitely go with your glutes first. Probably the safest place for a newbie to pin. I 'm still pretty new to this and have only ventured to my quad outside of glutes. You need to aim for your gluteus maximus to stay away from your sciatic nerves. You don't want to be hitting those either. You have a large area to pin going with your gluteus maximus. Also I would go with at least a 1" needle if not 1 1/2".

I think its subjective as to the person's pain tolerance. I can get close to the nerves as much as the muscle twitches like crazy and still pin, which generally happens for me on delts. I also had a direct hit on the nerve in my quad and let me tell you, I saw God lol.... if I am not happy with the first pin I will pull out move over a bit and pin again.

LOL I hit a nerve for the first time on Wednesday in my right quad....Holy Fuck! It was the most uncontrollable electric sort of shock I've ever had. My arm almost instinctively pulled the needle out instantly. Weirdest thing I've ever felt!