First time poster / First cycle

[SBD2100]

Thank you to everyone who has made such a contribution to this board. I learn something new every time I log on. I am a competitive powerlifter and am starting my first cycle this weekend. I am a little confused about what dosages I should run and I am looking for a little insight.

I have read both CME and Anabolics 2004 and both Rea and Llewellyn recommend mild cycles with low dosages as beginner stacks but it seems most everyone here recommends a more aggressive 1st time cycle. Any insight into this would be appreciated.

I plan on doing the following cycle:

wk1-10: Test E. @ 250mg/wk
wk1-10: Deca @ 200mg/wk
wk1-4: D-bol @ 20mg/day

Is this too mild for a beginner cycle? My current training is focused on getting stronger and losing a little bodyfat. As a powerlifter, I am not as worried about gaining size.

Also, is PCT an absolute necessity at these low dosages? I do have access to arimidex if needed.

Finally, I am 32 yrs. old, at 235lbs. with ~18% bodyfat. I compete at 220lbs.

Thanks in advance for the help. Also, if any powerlifters want to post their current cycles, I would be more than interested in hearing them, as most of the gear conversation is bodybuilding related.

 

[SBD2100]

bump for any opinions.

 

[Starkraven]

its too mild but then again you are using 3 compounds so you can never tell which one is giving you the best results or which ones are giving you side effects. here is the solution:

week 1-10: 250-500mg test E per week with 10mg nolva ed
PCT

 

[Tank01]

I have read both CME and Anabolics 2004 and both Rea and Llewellyn recommend mild cycles with low dosages as beginner stacks but it seems most everyone here recommends a more aggressive 1st time cycle. Any insight into this would be appreciated.

Actualy everyone here usualy recomends semi mild cylces... Only a few people recomend using super high doses for your first cycle.

I plan on doing the following cycle:

wk1-10: Test E. @ 250mg/wk
wk1-10: Deca @ 200mg/wk
wk1-4: D-bol @ 20mg/day

Is this too mild for a beginner cycle? My current training is focused on getting stronger and losing a little bodyfat. As a powerlifter, I am not as worried about gaining size.

Ok, everything is too low.. if you are dead set on doing these three compounds then at least increase everything by double... so 500mg test/week 400mg deca/week and 40mg dbol ed. Also increase the cycle length to 12 weeks just to get the most out of the two long acting esters you have in there.

But... I personaly would recomend different drugs for your cylce. Why not go with Test Enanthate, Tren Enanthate, and Dbol or Drol for the first 4 weeks... I think that would be much more tailored to your lifting style. Tren and Test both increase your strength greatly.. so does the Drol... but you'll be using that only for the first 4 weeks to kickstart everything. Im not sure why you have the deca in there... unless its to help out your joints... in which case thats a good idea.. If that is the case then just do Deca, Test E, and Abombs (for the first 4 weeks)... that should be good for you.

Also, is PCT an absolute necessity at these low dosages? I do have access to arimidex if needed.

Yes PCT is a necessity if you want to keep most of what you gain. Here is a PCT schedual:

PCT for cycles 8-16wks:
Day 1-30- .25mg L-dex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva

Before you start that PCT schedual you can also run HCG at 500iu-1000iu per day for 10 days to kick start your gonads into producing test and enlarging to their normal size.... so... a PCT with that would look like this

PCT for cycles 8-16wks:
Day 01-10: HCG 500iu-1000iu ed, Arimidex @ .25-.5mg ed, Nolva 40mg ed
Day 11-40- .25mg L-dex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva

This PCT is what I do after every cycle more or less.

Finally, I am 32 yrs. old, at 235lbs. with ~18% bodyfat. I compete at 220lbs.

Thanks in advance for the help. Also, if any powerlifters want to post their current cycles, I would be more than interested in hearing them, as most of the gear conversation is bodybuilding related.

Hope that helps, Im a bodybuilder though so getting some input from fellow powerlifters... good luck bro

later

 

[Tank01]

I also forgot to mention that durring any version of the above cycles I mentioned you should be running Either femara or Arimidex @ half of their respective doses EOD or ED.. whichever is best... also run 20-40mg nolvadex ed. This will help counter estrogen related sides

later

 

[SBD2100]

thanks for the help

Thanks for the help guys. I appreciate everyone who took a moment to someone who is begining to learn their way. Given that I already Test E., Deca and D-bol on the way, and the advice I have already received, I'll was thinking of doing the following.

WK 1-12 Test E. 500mg/wk
WK 1-5 Deca 400 mg/wk (it is already on the way and I wanted to run it to give my joints some relief).
WK 1-4 D-Bol 40mg/ed
WK 6-12 Tren E. 75 mg/eod (I originally stayed away from Tren because I thought it would be a little harsh for the 1st cycle. Is it OK to start it mid cycle or should I include it earlier?)

I'll run the PCT to keep my strength gains but I really don't want to run any ancilliaries mid-cycle unless I start getting estrogen-sides, I want to take full advantage of the strength gains that come along with increased test and estrogen levels. Am I wrong in this thinking?

Also, A little more about my background. I've been training for 17 years and am 5'7. I'm pretty strong for my size but the gains have been coming a little slower than I would like. My lifts are: Squat 660lbs, Bench 455lbs, dead 635lbs. My diet is pretty clean but I think my total calories are to high when training naturally. Protein intake is 250-300g/day.

 

[SBD2100]

5 weeks of deca is a waste bro. If that is all you have dont do it. You can replace it with the tren. If all you have is what you posted, I would do the test and dbol in the begining. When the dbol is done, start the tren. Again, not the best thought out plan, but it can work. 75 mg of tren EOD is very low and not sufficeint IMO. I feel you need to re-think your cycle bro. You have a half ass cycle with low dosages and a half ass plan. No offence my friend.

Again I think you are better off with a test only cycle, or maybe add the dbol with it. Save your other AAS for the future and you will need more for higher dosages. You should take some type of ancillaries during the cycle. If you want the minimum, take only 25 mg of dex ED.

No offense taken. At first, my powerlifting partners all said all I need is 250 mg of Test/wk and D-bol to start the cycle. Then I read CME and Anabolics 2004 while reading this board. CME and Anabolics 2004 confirmed the low dosages for beginners but reading the personal experiences on the board, I began to doubt the effectiveness of the lower dosage cycles.

 

[Texas Ranger]

No offense taken. At first, my powerlifting partners all said all I need is 250 mg of Test/wk and D-bol to start the cycle. Then I read CME and Anabolics 2004 while reading this board. CME and Anabolics 2004 confirmed the low dosages for beginners but reading the personal experiences on the board, I began to doubt the effectiveness of the lower dosage cycles.

SBD, take BigKarch's advice and keep it simple. He knows his shit. Test(500mgs/wk)/Dbol(30mgs/day) is a GREAT first cycle along with Arimidex@25mg ED and will be conducive to your goals as a powerlifter. Good lifts, by the way!!!

 

[SBD2100]

Thanks again for the help. Bigkarch, I've decided to keep it simple and run a test/dbol cycle. 500mg/wk of Test E. for 12 wks and 30mg/day of d-bol for 4-5 wks. I'll also run L-dex @ .25 mg ed and do the proper PCT as outlined previously. I'll keep everyone informed of how it is working out.

 

[freak]

SBD, BigK gave you good advice. This is your first cycle and you may gain more out of this one then any others you do later. It wont take much.
I'm a firm believer in more is not always better. Some newbies try to gain their progress by using more steroids- than a well planned eating and lifting regimin.
Anybody who cannot gain a little more strength and muscle mass on 500mgs a week of test e or c, does not have their eating and lifting program down.