For the fellow chemists - is there non 17α-alkylated Oxandrolone?

[Test_Subject]

Short answer... yes injectable anavar exists. Even in aqueous suspension for sub q.

Injectable anavar is just regular anavar in an injectable solution or suspension. The solute hormone is still 17a modified.

Same goes for injectable superdrol, dbol, anadrol, winstrol et al.

 

[Test_Subject]

I think there's a missed opportunity here. What if we had derivatives for Winstrol or Anadrol which are not 17α-alkylated? Why no one is talking about this? This is a simple modification to these steroids that could easily yield a superior product (liver health wise).

Alkylation alters the properties of a steroid as well as helping the hormone bypass the liver. For example, superdrol is alkylated (methylated specifically) masteron. Superdrol is immensely more potent than drostanalone and literally the only difference between the two is the methyl group addition at the 17th carbon position.

Taking away the 17a modification doesn't necessarily give you a kinder steroid with the same effects as the orally-potent version.

 

[Elistheman]

Alkylation alters the properties of a steroid as well as helping the hormone bypass the liver. For example, superdrol is alkylated (methylated specifically) masteron. Superdrol is immensely more potent than drostanalone and literally the only difference between the two is the methyl group addition at the 17th carbon position.

Taking away the 17a modification doesn't necessarily give you a kinder steroid with the same effects as the orally-potent version.

Yes, i have agreed on that on the previous page,still you and i don't know the effects of these un-synthesized derivatives.

 

[Test_Subject]

Yes, i have agreed on that on the previous page,still you and i don't know the effects of these un-synthesized derivatives.

If they were a marked improvement over existing compounds, I'm more than certain that they'd be readily available.

I find it hard to believe that in the 75 or so years that steroids have been around nobody has thought of this and tried it.

 

[Elistheman]

If they were a marked improvement over existing compounds, I'm more than certain that they'd be readily available.

I find it hard to believe that in the 75 or so years that steroids have been around nobody has thought of this and tried it.

Well this why i opened this thread so people who have seen, read, or heard of any use could share what they know.

 

[RunTrenFckTens]

Look at the address bar. It says thinksteroids. Well I think more scientific topics are welcome better then repeating topics about tren or people not knowing how to eat. We need to encourage thinking more and repeating less.

Yes, but how many people on Meso do you think have a PhD or Masters, let alone an undergraduate degree majoring in O Chem. Organic Chemistry is not a course I enjoyed in University at all haha it's fucking hard and that was barely diving into it. The thing I enjoyed most was making a banana smelling ester.

IMO it would be pragmatic to ask elsewhere and then share that knowledge here, rather than constantly dismissing people who have minimal knowledge on the topic.

 

[Elistheman]

Yes, but how many people on Meso do you think have a PhD or Masters, let alone an undergraduate degree majoring in O Chem. Organic Chemistry is not a course I enjoyed in University at all haha it's fucking hard and that was barely diving into it. The thing I enjoyed most was making a banana smelling ester.

IMO it would be pragmatic to ask elsewhere and then share that knowledge here, rather than constantly dismissing people who have minimal knowledge on the topic.

I agree but sometimes there are surprises.

 

[KL8209]

While I do agree it's unlikely that it's never been done it may have just been kept underground or private. It could be because it's good or bad or somewhere in between. Doesn't hurt to ask questions though and I find the idea of this interesting.

 

[Dthcore]

Injectable anavar is just regular anavar in an injectable solution or suspension. The solute hormone is still 17a modified.

Same goes for injectable superdrol, dbol, anadrol, winstrol et al.

What do the solutions consist of? Im looking to make injections for everything you just stated and would appreciate the heads up.

 

[Elistheman]

What do the solutions consist of? Im looking to make injections for everything you just stated and would appreciate the heads up.

Guaiacol, BA and oil of choice from what i know.

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

You would be basically making a designer steroid at that point. Making a drug that acts identical to anavar but is not anavar. You would have get in touch with a real chemist who deals with making these compounds. Which isn't as farfetched as you think but you would have to travel to China and bribe some folks haha!
I didn't read every bit but removing the alkylation would make it some unknown drug with unknown effects. Would be fucking awesome if they sold anavar base or something like that!