Gaining weight in a deficit on tren

[Icanteatanymorechicken]

According to calculator.net my body CURRENTLY needs 2,064 calories to maintain the weight I’m at right now. I’’ve been eating at maintenance or slightly below and creating a 500 calorie / day deficit through exercise. Usually elliptical work. By this method I’ve steadily dropped from 210lbs to 186.5, but since I added in tren ace @ 200 mg/wk on Thanksgiving the scale started moving in the opposite direction and I’m already back up to 191. I always weight myself in the morning on an empty stomach after I piss. Wondering if this could just be water or undigested food. I did play around with my gh doses and bump up to 6 units from 4 recently so maybe some retention there. After all the hard work and dedication I really don’t wanna go backwards or stalll. Any thoughts or advice?

 

[Streetfighter V4]

could be building muscle while losing fat tho, or gh water retention, or ur tren is test

 

[rexy]

Whilst it does sound like GH related retention or mislabelled Tren, my weight can fluctutate more than that increase in one day.

Have you increased salt intake or changed anything food-wise?

 

[Icanteatanymorechicken]

Whilst it does sound like GH related retention or mislabelled Tren, my weight can fluctutate more than that increase in one day.

Have you increased salt intake or changed anything food-wise?

I have upped my electrolytes so with that has come an extra gram of sodium. Can pretty comfortably rule out mislabeled tren, but will know for certain in the next couple weeks when hplc testing comes back.

 

[BP_6]

Well, technically if you are in a true deficit, you will be unable to net gain tissue mass weight. Recomp, possible, but no net overall tissue gain possible due to basic laws of matter and energy. That being said, either the calorie calculations are off, or there is water retention going on, or both. Most likely if you truly haven't changed anything food wise you have more glycogen and water storage going on.

 

[malfeasance]

According to calculator.net my body CURRENTLY needs 2,064 calories to maintain the weight I’m at right now. I’’ve been eating at maintenance or slightly below and creating a 500 calorie / day deficit through exercise. Usually elliptical work. By this method I’ve steadily dropped from 210lbs to 186.5, but since I added in tren ace @ 200 mg/wk on Thanksgiving the scale started moving in the opposite direction and I’m already back up to 191. I always weight myself in the morning on an empty stomach after I piss. Wondering if this could just be water or undigested food. I did play around with my gh doses and bump up to 6 units from 4 recently so maybe some retention there. After all the hard work and dedication I really don’t wanna go backwards or stalll. Any thoughts or advice?

You changed more than one thing, but you are asking us only about one thing.

hgh causes water retention. You just increased it 50%

Maybe the thread should have been titled, "I Bumped Up My Growth Hormone Dose by 50% All At Once And Gained Weight."

It's perfectly normal to add 4 pounds when increasing or starting growth hormone.

It's water, not fat.

I mean, geez, if you are tracking your calories accurately, you are hardly eating at 2000 calories. It's not your eating. Protein is hopefully most of those calories. If not, eat more protein.

No, the 200mg of tren is not causing you to go backwards or stall. For that matter, the hgh is not causing that, either.

Water drops off when you drop the watery compounds. Water is not fat.

 

[malfeasance]

I have upped my electrolytes so with that has come an extra gram of sodium. Can pretty comfortably rule out mislabeled tren, but will know for certain in the next couple weeks when hplc testing comes back.

LOL, yeah, even more water.

 

[Icanteatanymorechicken]

You changed more than one thing, but you are asking us only about one thing.

hgh causes water retention. You just increased it 50%

Maybe the thread should have been titled, "I Bumped Up My Growth Hormone Dose by 50% All At Once And Gained Weight."

It's perfectly normal to add 4 pounds when increasing or starting growth hormone.

It's water, not fat.

I mean, geez, if you are tracking your calories accurately, you are hardly eating at 2000 calories. It's not your eating. Protein is hopefully most of those calories. If not, eat more protein.

No, the 200mg of tren is not causing you to go backwards or stall. For that matter, the hgh is not causing that, either.

Water drops off when you drop the watery compounds. Water is not fat.

1,000 apologies your eliteness. I’m so sorry I angered you by not being more exhaustive and precise in titling my post. Thank you for pointing out what a fool I was to not acknowledge that I changed more than one variable, but was only asking about tren. I appreciate you driving home how dumb I am to not think it’s the growth hormone! oh wait… I did acknowledge that the GH could be the cause in the body of the post. Maybe that’s why I didn’t mention it in the title, because I already knew gh can cause water retention and could be the culprit of the weight gain, but was unsure if tren may have some mechanism of action I was unaware of that could also be causing me to gain weight in a deficit. On a serious note though, thanks for the input. Even if you did decide you wanted to be a B==D about it.

 

[TestyisBesty]

1,000 apologies your eliteness. I’m so sorry I angered you by not being more exhaustive and precise in titling my post. Thank you for pointing out what a fool I was to not acknowledge that I changed more than one variable, but was only asking about tren. I appreciate you driving home how dumb I am to not think it’s the growth hormone! oh wait… I did acknowledge that the GH could be the cause in the body of the post. Maybe that’s why I didn’t mention it in the title, because I already knew gh can cause water retention and could be the culprit of the weight gain, but was unsure if tren may have some mechanism of action I was unaware of that could also be causing me to gain weight in a deficit. On a serious note though, thanks for the input. Even if you did decide you wanted to be a B==D about it.

I’m still trying to figure out B==D.

Also ya better get some thicker skin if you plan on sticking around here long. You asked a question that you pretty much answered in your first post GH.

 

[Trenbolonetax]

I’m still trying to figure out B==D.

Also ya better get some thicker skin if you plan on sticking around here long. You asked a question that you pretty much answered in your first post GH.

That means dick, lol. Balls, shaft, and head!

 

[Icanteatanymorechicken]

I’m still trying to figure out B==D.

Also ya better get some thicker skin if you plan on sticking around here long. You asked a question that you pretty much answered in your first post GH.

Do I come across as thin skinned because I dish it back when people talk down to me like an idiot? If so, I’ll take my backbone over the thick skin.

 

[Grey Spartan]

Well, technically if you are in a true deficit, you will be unable to net gain tissue mass weight. Recomp, possible, but no net overall tissue gain possible due to basic laws of matter and energy

Uhhhhhhhhh no.

when you're in a caloric deficit, your body is in a state where it’s burning more calories than it consumes, which typically results in fat loss over time. However, muscle gain while in a deficit is still possible. Even in a deficit, the body can use fat as an energy source while simultaneously building muscle, albeit at a much slower rate than if you were in a caloric surplus.

"the basic laws of matter and energy", which are true in that muscle gain requires energy and resources. However, the law of conservation of energy does not mean you cannot gain muscle in a deficit. What it means is that you can still use the energy available (from fat stores) and, under the right conditions (such as resistance training, protein intake and drugs), build muscle while losing fat.

 

[Icanteatanymorechicken]

Uhhhhhhhhh no.

when you're in a caloric deficit, your body is in a state where it’s burning more calories than it consumes, which typically results in fat loss over time. However, muscle gain while in a deficit is still possible. Even in a deficit, the body can use fat as an energy source while simultaneously building muscle, albeit at a much slower rate than if you were in a caloric surplus.

"the basic laws of matter and energy", which are true in that muscle gain requires energy and resources. However, the law of conservation of energy does not mean you cannot gain muscle in a deficit. What it means is that you can still use the energy available (from fat stores) and, under the right conditions (such as resistance training, protein intake and drugs), build muscle while losing fat.

I’m hoping there’s at least a little bit of this going on!

 

[Trenbolonetax]

Well, technically if you are in a true deficit, you will be unable to net gain tissue mass weight. Recomp, possible, but no net overall tissue gain possible due to basic laws of matter and energy. That being said, either the calorie calculations are off, or there is water retention going on, or both. Most likely if you truly haven't changed anything food wise you have more glycogen and water storage going on.

Uhhhhhhhhh no.

when you're in a caloric deficit, your body is in a state where it’s burning more calories than it consumes, which typically results in fat loss over time. However, muscle gain while in a deficit is still possible. Even in a deficit, the body can use fat as an energy source while simultaneously building muscle, albeit at a much slower rate than if you were in a caloric surplus.

"the basic laws of matter and energy", which are true in that muscle gain requires energy and resources. However, the law of conservation of energy does not mean you cannot gain muscle in a deficit. What it means is that you can still use the energy available (from fat stores) and, under the right conditions (such as resistance training, protein intake and drugs), build muscle while losing fat.

I just reread both of y'all response. I think you're saying the same thing.

BP6: "Recomp possible, but no net overall tissue gain."

Grey Spartan: "Muscle gain in a deficit is possible....even in a deficit, body can use fat as an energy source while building muscle."

Y'all are both talking about reallocating stored calories to muscle gain e.g., recomping. I take "no net overall tissue gain" to mean muscle and fat, not just lean tissue.

Neither of you are talking about defying laws of thermodynamics as far as I'm concerned.

 

[BP_6]

Uhhhhhhhhh no.

when you're in a caloric deficit, your body is in a state where it’s burning more calories than it consumes, which typically results in fat loss over time. However, muscle gain while in a deficit is still possible. Even in a deficit, the body can use fat as an energy source while simultaneously building muscle, albeit at a much slower rate than if you were in a caloric surplus.

"the basic laws of matter and energy", which are true in that muscle gain requires energy and resources. However, the law of conservation of energy does not mean you cannot gain muscle in a deficit. What it means is that you can still use the energy available (from fat stores) and, under the right conditions (such as resistance training, protein intake and drugs), build muscle while losing fat.

I agree and I should clarify. What I was speaking of is an increase in the total amount of mass from all sources. Some of that excess fat can be used to create the calories to create the new muscle tissue. A recomp. However tissue from somewhere else has to be lost to be used for energy to create the new tissue in other areas. Hope that makes what I was trying to say clear.

 

[RomanMVP]

1,000 apologies your eliteness. I’m so sorry I angered you by not being more exhaustive and precise in titling my post. Thank you for pointing out what a fool I was to not acknowledge that I changed more than one variable, but was only asking about tren. I appreciate you driving home how dumb I am to not think it’s the growth hormone! oh wait… I did acknowledge that the GH could be the cause in the body of the post. Maybe that’s why I didn’t mention it in the title, because I already knew gh can cause water retention and could be the culprit of the weight gain, but was unsure if tren may have some mechanism of action I was unaware of that could also be causing me to gain weight in a deficit. On a serious note though, thanks for the input. Even if you did decide you wanted to be a B==D about it.

Yup, you're definitely on Tren...................

 

[Icanteatanymorechicken]

Yup, you're definitely on Tren...................

Lmao well at least we cleared up the other members concerns that it might have been test mislabeled as tren . Seriously though what kind of response should be expected to his snarky ass comment regarding the title? Tren or not, I’m not a doormat.

 

[Astartes]

1,000 apologies your eliteness. I’m so sorry I angered you by not being more exhaustive and precise in titling my post. Thank you for pointing out what a fool I was to not acknowledge that I changed more than one variable, but was only asking about tren. I appreciate you driving home how dumb I am to not think it’s the growth hormone! oh wait… I did acknowledge that the GH could be the cause in the body of the post. Maybe that’s why I didn’t mention it in the title, because I already knew gh can cause water retention and could be the culprit of the weight gain, but was unsure if tren may have some mechanism of action I was unaware of that could also be causing me to gain weight in a deficit. On a serious note though, thanks for the input. Even if you did decide you wanted to be a B==D about it.

This bugs me.

He called you out (rather politely) and gave you candid solid advice and what do you do? You give a well respected and veteran member grief and sarcasm.

Humble yourself a bit boy.

You come across as a snowflake and very defensive. Be a man and own it. He is right.

Side note, being a smart ass 15 year old doesn’t qualify as backbone. It just means you haven’t had your teeth knocked out.

 

[BigDadd7]

1,000 apologies your eliteness. I’m so sorry I angered you by not being more exhaustive and precise in titling my post. Thank you for pointing out what a fool I was to not acknowledge that I changed more than one variable, but was only asking about tren. I appreciate you driving home how dumb I am to not think it’s the growth hormone! oh wait… I did acknowledge that the GH could be the cause in the body of the post. Maybe that’s why I didn’t mention it in the title, because I already knew gh can cause water retention and could be the culprit of the weight gain, but was unsure if tren may have some mechanism of action I was unaware of that could also be causing me to gain weight in a deficit. On a serious note though, thanks for the input. Even if you did decide you wanted to be a B==D about it.

You should be thanking him for pointing out what a fool you are- he was correct.

 

[Icanteatanymorechicken]

This bugs me.

He called you out (rather politely) and gave you candid solid advice and what do you do? You give a well respected and veteran member grief and sarcasm.

Humble yourself a bit boy.

You come across as a snowflake and very defensive. Be a man and own it. He is right.

Side note, being a smart ass 15 year old doesn’t qualify as backbone. It just means you haven’t had your teeth knocked out.

In all honesty I really don’t care how long term or veteran a member is when they come at me sideways. Seniority is not a free pass to be a dick. There was nothing polite about his snarky remark about what the title should have been. You said he was right for calling me out… about what? The point that I already acknowledged in the body of my post? No, I haven’t had my teeth knocked out, but I have been humbled plenty of times across the 16 years I’ve spent training kickboxing and jiu jitsu along side some of the best fighters in the world. If you’re any good at math you should be able to figure out that makes me older than 15. Managed to keep my teeth through it all but shed plenty of blood on the mats, plenty of er visits, and even been on the operating table from it. Yeah I might be defensive, but I’m fine with that. I’m not fine with being disrespected though. That is a real snowflake. You can have humility without being expected to just sit back and take shots while someone tries to make you look stupid. You teach people how to treat you by what you allow from them BOY.