GE-TM E-Meth "Primo"

No it sounds like they have had an identical experience as myself, period.

And just like Hercules made BioLogics look much less than GTG, a resaler did the same thing to GETM.

Is any of this unfamiliar territory with ANY UGL NOT!

The difference is how they Handle their own misjudgememts and oversights.,
 
So it's okay if they sell fake UGL primo. As long as the HG line is g2g??

Sounds logical to me.:rolleyes:

There is no confirmation on that yet. I think your eagerness is making you careless. Letting nature take its course in logical. If the primo is bunk, you'll get your chance to trash getm. If it's legit, well... I guess it will suck to be you.;)

CBS
 
Stretch no disrespect I hear you have an awesome line of gear that hopefully I will get to try in the future. The primo from ge-tm has not been legitimately tested as of yet so I think everyone needs to give David time to get to the bottom of these couple complaints.
 
Now wait CBS I didn't "trash" BioLogics when Herc made them look bad. :)

Ah shucks Stretch wouldn't do that anyway he has proven he's above reproach
as a clean cut and honest rep from BioLogics.

(I only stated there was an issue of joint and several liability which some believed was remarkable enough to suggest culpability on their behalf.)

Excellent point about Stretch overlooking the FACT GETM has only been accused of selling mislabeled gear, their is NO proof to date, and it certainly was not an deliberate attempt to scam others as a manufacturer,

These are the very reasons Stretch is NOT a viable candidate to lead the GETM CRUSADE, lol!
 
There is no confirmation on that yet. I think your eagerness is making you careless. Letting nature take its course in logical. If the primo is bunk, you'll get your chance to trash getm. If it's legit, well... I guess it will suck to be you.;)

CBS

I just don't see why Ge-TM seems to be ignoring the issue on the forum. I certainly wouldn't handle it this way.

But the complaints/complainers sound credible to me. That's what I think. They're either good liars, or honest guys.

Shamrock's post was a dismissal of the complaints. A minimization of the complaints. And the type of post that would lead more guys to order from them.

Did Shamrock say that he ordered Primo and has some way of knowing that it was legit? No. If he had, I wouldn't have made my previous post. Just because the inexpensive, or HG products he purchased were legit, says NOTHING about the complaints that have been levied on Ge-Tm recently.
 
These are the very reasons Stretch is NOT a viable candidate to lead the GETM CRUSADE, lol!

Then you pay for it Jim. I would love to step back and let one of the other vets do what I am proposing to do. But if none of them will...then I will.
 
Oh please Stretch. I am aware of THREE complainers and not one of em has posted ANY proof, yet you "believe them to be credible"
(I wonder why, lol)

I believe you said you could maintain as an unbiased "rep" when evaluating the competition.

Moreover all three purchased their AAS from a resaler. (I'm not saying GETM is not responsible if a resaler screws with their products because THEY ARE.

What's most important here is the issue of INTENT because if they knew or should have known AAS were being delivered from a production line, less the anabolic agent I will be all over their ass and completely dissociate myself from them.

But I've known these guys almost TEN years and they have NEVER been involved in such duplicitous activity.

I'll put it this way GETMs integrity, honesty, and commitment to selling quality AAS is as GTG as BioLogics and David's devotion and credibility is every bit as solid as yours Stretch .


Jimmy
PS

How many did HERC have Stretch, let's not overlook that "glaring comparison".

How long after Hercs complaints began rolling in did you recognize they could not be trusted?

Moreover how long did you wait before you became an active participant by informing others Herc was F...ing people?

Did you ever even bash Herc on Meso Stretch?

UNBIASED BULLSHIT!

Jimmy
 
Oh please Stretch. I am aware of THREE complainers and not one of em has posted ANY proof, yet you "believe them to be credible"
(I wonder why, lol)

I believe you said you could maintain as an unbiased "rep" when evaluating the competition.

Moreover all three purchased their AAS from a resaler. (I'm not saying GETM is not responsible if a resaler screws with their products because THEY ARE.

What's most important here is the issue of INTENT because if they knew or should have known AAS were being delivered from a production line, less the anabolic agent I will be all over their ass and completely dissociate myself from them.

But I've known these guys almost TEN years and they have NEVER been involved in such duplicitous activity.

I'll put it this way GETMs integrity, honesty, and commitment to selling quality AAS is as GTG as BioLogics and David's devotion and credibility is every bit as solid as yours Stretch .


Jimmy
PS

How many did HERC have Stretch, let's not overlook that "glaring comparison".

How long after Hercs complaints began rolling in did you recognize they could not be trusted?

Moreover how long did you wait before you became an active participant by informing others Herc was F...ing people?

Did you ever even bash Herc on Meso Stretch?

UNBIASED BULLSHIT!

Jimmy

lmfao
 
My post history clearly shows that I hate Ge-Tm. I have discussed this privately with numerous members, and they will all tell you that I clearly state; I have no reason not to like them, I just don't.

I find this statement interesting, Stretch. When you say "you don't know why you hate them", are you being honest, even with yourself? I'm not saying you're being dishonest but it is a bit unusual to feel that strongly and not no why. If you truly don't know, I suspect if you spend some time examining the origins of that feeling, you might be surprised at what you find.


So now, I am going to attack this a different way. Watch this. If you liked Ge-TM and they are selling crap gear, you are gonna hate that Jim questioned my motives.


Will these results also be questioned?

The answer to that question is an unequivocal yes. You know what your true motives are but there will be some people that question the results AND your motives as a source- guaranteed. Whether questioning your motives is right or wrong is neither here nor there. That is the reality of the world we live in.

I don't care whether you go through with the test or not, it makes no difference to me. Only you can make that decision. We all have to pick our battles in life so if you think the potential rewards outweigh the potential repercussions, have at it.


I just don't see why Ge-TM seems to be ignoring the issue on the forum. I certainly wouldn't handle it this way.

I don't either. Hopefully they'll address this sooner rather than latter.

But the complaints/complainers sound credible to me. That's what I think. They're either good liars, or honest guys.

You're impatient, young grasshopper. It is irrelevant how credible they sound. The only thing that matters is the evidence and thus far, that has been notably absent. Wait for the evidence.

Shamrock's post was a dismissal of the complaints. A minimization of the complaints. And the type of post that would lead more guys to order from them.


Did Shamrock say that he ordered Primo and has some way of knowing that it was legit? No. If he had, I wouldn't have made my previous post. Just because the inexpensive, or HG products he purchased were legit, says NOTHING about the complaints that have been levied on Ge-Tm recently.

That's true, he didn't say he used their primo but Shamrock has been here since 2011 and has 200+ posts. IOW, he has a history on Meso that can be judged and that is what I've been advocating with regard to people rating sources.

No, he didn't mention primo but he said he's spent 5 grand over the 5 years he's dealt with getm and is pleased with their service. That amounts to a solid endorsement, IMO. It's certainly worth infinitely more than the reviews a few brand new members with single digit post counts - no matter how credible they sound.

MHOO, YMMV, etc., etc.

CBS
 
I find this statement interesting, Stretch. When you say "you don't know why you hate them", are you being honest, even with yourself? I'm not saying you're being dishonest but it is a bit unusual to feel that strongly and not no why. If you truly don't know, I suspect if you spend some time examining the origins of that feeling, you might be surprised at what you find.

I believe the reason is because Ge-TM showed up on the scene while I was still working with SF. And at the time, the two biggest stresses in my life were Dr. Jim and BB69.

SF was the only real source operating on Meso at that time. Then Ge-TM showed up and both the guys that were blasting me, jumped in with reviews and positives for Ge-Tm and that caused this sense of "competition".

Then I posted some information questioning Ge-Tm and the fact that they didn't reveal that the gear, which was being reviewed by Vets, was all given to the Vets for free. I felt this was dishonest, and I asked Ge-Tm on several occassions to come clean, all of my questions were ignored. The bitterness from all that just never left.

That's the reason.

The answer to that question is an unequivocal yes. You know what your true motives are but there will be some people that question the results AND your motives as a source- guaranteed. Whether questioning your motives is right or wrong is neither here nor there. That is the reality of the world we live in.

I don't care whether you go through with the test or not, it makes no difference to me. Only you can make that decision. We all have to pick our battles in life so if you think the potential rewards outweigh the potential repercussions, have at it.

It won't happen. I won't put my reputation on the line to have people tell me I cheated the test. I would do the 2nd version of the test. But I don't have volunteers to accept the Primo, and run it. So, if the community doesn't want to know the truth, I can't really force it on them, can I?





You're impatient, young grasshopper. It is irrelevant how credible they sound. The only thing that matters is the evidence and thus far, that has been notably absent. Wait for the evidence.

True. I am extremely impatient. And my bitterness towards Ge-Tm probably distorts my logic. I am fully aware of that, and I attempt to hold my emotions in check while analyzing the complaints of members. The subconscious is a powerful thing though.
That's true, he didn't say he used their primo but Shamrock has been here since 2011 and has 200+ posts. IOW, he has a history on Meso that can be judged and that is what I've been advocating with regard to people rating sources.

No, he didn't mention primo but he said he's spent 5 grand over the 5 years he's dealt with getm and is pleased with their service. That amounts to a solid endorsement, IMO. It's certainly worth infinitely more than the reviews a few brand new members with single digit post counts - no matter how credible they sound.

Perhaps. I didn't read his post that way. I read his post as saying that he has spent more in the last few months than most other guys spend in 5 years. Who knows, he messed up the sentence we are both referring to, making it very unclear what his true meaning was.

If I was correct in my assumption that he has only been buying from them for a few months, then him spending 5K means that he spent it on some HG GH. He wouldn't need but only a few kits to reach 3-4K. Then another 1k in gear, which amounts to 1 good cycle with a few compounds. So IMO he hasn't run enough of their gear to give a credible review.

Jim on the other hand, is a different story.


And shamrock is a 'Roid whore. He has posted ad's selling his extra gear, while also buying new gear when I was with SF. He obviously has too much money for his own good, and buying gear is almost seems like a hobby to him IMO. He bought from and reviewed like 3-4 (can't remember the exact number now, he can correct if I am off) sources in one month before.
Perhaps a little straw-man here, since this doesn't really say anything relevant about the credibility of his review. It's just weird IMO.
 
I believe the reason is because Ge-TM showed up on the scene while I was still working with SF. And at the time, the two biggest stresses in my life were Dr. Jim and BB69.

SF was the only real source operating on Meso at that time. Then Ge-TM showed up and both the guys that were blasting me, jumped in with reviews and positives for Ge-Tm and that caused this sense of "competition".

Then I posted some information questioning Ge-Tm and the fact that they didn't reveal that the gear, which was being reviewed by Vets, was all given to the Vets for free. I felt this was dishonest, and I asked Ge-Tm on several occassions to come clean, all of my questions were ignored. The bitterness from all that just never left.

That's the reason.



.

I didn't like that Get M showed up here at Meso a month or 2 after I was asked by friend by pm to try a lab his friend was involved with. If I knew they were gonna be on a board I was a part of I wouldn't have accepted. I felt a little set up by them. I'm sure they had plans to come here but I was left uninformed.
I did give my impressions on the gear I used. I wasn't asked to do so. That's the truth. I could've stayed quiet about getting the gear from them. My blessing on an open board wasn't part of the deal.
They didn't get any breathing room from me. When David was posting about being late answering e mails because he was hung over I blasted him.
I didn't ride him like I do Astro or some others...but remember, I hardly said a word about Herc until it was confirmed he sucked dick.
I go with what I'm feeling and the herc thing maybe he got over on more because I didn't do a number on him...I sure I was busy on other fronts.
 
I believe the reason is because Ge-TM showed up on the scene while I was still working with SF. And at the time, the two biggest stresses in my life were Dr. Jim and BB69.

SF was the only real source operating on Meso at that time. Then Ge-TM showed up and both the guys that were blasting me, jumped in with reviews and positives for Ge-Tm and that caused this sense of "competition".

Then I posted some information questioning Ge-Tm and the fact that they didn't reveal that the gear, which was being reviewed by Vets, was all given to the Vets for free. I felt this was dishonest, and I asked Ge-Tm on several occassions to come clean, all of my questions were ignored. The bitterness from all that just never left.

That's the reason.

Fair enough. I suspected that was the reason. But in that case, your bitterness is towards Jim and BB, not getm.

I've mentioned before that I don't like giving advice so I'll only say this: Life is too short for bitterness. You can't change the past but you can learn from it. Find something positive in that experience and move on. Quae nocent, saepe docent - What hurts, often instructs.


It won't happen. I won't put my reputation on the line to have people tell me I cheated the test. I would do the 2nd version of the test. But I don't have volunteers to accept the Primo, and run it. So, if the community doesn't want to know the truth, I can't really force it on them, can I?

The truth will come out in the end - it always does.


True. I am extremely impatient. And my bitterness towards Ge-Tm probably distorts my logic. I am fully aware of that, and I attempt to hold my emotions in check while analyzing the complaints of members. The subconscious is a powerful thing though.

See above.

I'm trying to be careful with what I say so I don't appear pro getm because I'm not. I have no experience with them. All I know about getm is Jim says they're gtg and that's good enough for me. Obviously, that could change pending unforseen circumstances but for now, I have no reason to doubt them.

The reason I commented in this thread is to point out the possibility that perhaps you are letting the past dictate your actions rather than logic - because it appears to me, some of these actions aren't necessarily in YOUR best interest even though your heart is in the right place.

CBS
 
Fair enough. I suspected that was the reason. But in that case, your bitterness is towards Jim and BB, not getm.

I've mentioned before that I don't like giving advice so I'll only say this: Life is too short for bitterness. You can't change the past but you can learn from it. Find something positive in that experience and move on. Quae nocent, saepe docent - What hurts, often instructs.




The truth will come out in the end - it always does.




See above.

I'm trying to be careful with what I say so I don't appear pro getm because I'm not. I have no experience with them. All I know about getm is Jim says they're gtg and that's good enough for me. Obviously, that could change pending unforseen circumstances but for now, I have no reason to doubt them.

The reason I commented in this thread is to point out the possibility that perhaps you are letting the past dictate your actions rather than logic - because it appears to me, some of these actions aren't necessarily in YOUR best interest even though your heart is in the right place.

CBS

I don't have any bitterness towards Jim or BB. Seriously. It's just my competitive side coming out. I want to beat them. I want them to fail. They've been around since I was in highschool though, so I have a long way to go. lol.

Jim, BB, and myself have all reconciled. We all have a mutual respect for one another. It's not some deep-seeded hate CBS, you're dramatizing the situation, again. A lot has happened since the time when they were harassing me. I understand much better now their reasons for doing so, than I did at the time. I have grown. I have gained perspective.
 
Not really sure why this is such a debate still the guy has human grade gear period best selection I have ever seen! I assume his label is just as good why bother to sell bunk ugl gear it doesn't make sense period. To date I have ordered from about 7 different sources and I maintain he's the best I have used in recent years... Except the good old days from gerhkes(sp)...
So let's not beat a dead horse and have 2 post newbies bother us with crap like this.
 
Oh please Stretch. I am aware of THREE complainers and not one of em has posted ANY proof, yet you "believe them to be credible"
(I wonder why, lol)

Wait Dr Jim, "not one of them has post ANY proof", I did, what else can be a credibly proof if not a Blood Work and pictures of the vial?, I was doing a "PRIMO" only cycle no test no nothing just "PRIMO", I can't be taken as a joke just because I'm new in the forum.

I never said GE-TM sucks or something like that, maybe the other products are very good, but the E-Meth I received was NOT E-Meth and thats it. I haven't read ANYONE who have defended the GE-TM E-Meth, I just keep reading people saying Test is the best. I wonder why.
 
Not really sure why this is such a debate still the guy has human grade gear period best selection I have ever seen! I assume his label is just as good why bother to sell bunk ugl gear it doesn't make sense period. To date I have ordered from about 7 different sources and I maintain he's the best I have used in recent years... Except the good old days from gerhkes(sp)...
So let's not beat a dead horse and have 2 post newbies bother us with crap like this.


Yeah sure it is easy to say when you haven't done a Blood Work after doing "Primo" only cycle and get testosterone like you were using test propio.

Yeah maybe I'm new in the forum but I'm not a fucking newbie in roids use.
 
MM
I never observed any blood work as requested by CBS, but then again I've been out of the US, with my technology limited to the iPhone.

I've also requested you forward this info by PM yet have not received any "blood work"".

That being said I do believe YOUR complaint is bonified, primarily because you have no apparent conflict of interests and David has assured me you will receive "primo as ordered"!
 
My goodness what a prophetic admission and absolute confirmation EXACTLY WHY you should not be leading this proposed GETM crucifixion Stretch, LMFAO!!!

Shit it seems quite likely then your "competitive" spirit may hamper the principles of conduct you've openly embraced as a rep on Meso including;;honesty, integrity, and trustworthiness..

In other words I suspect you will discover those less principled "fields of gray" more comforting while battling to be "the best"!

Jim
 
My goodness what a prophetic admission and absolute confirmation EXACTLY WHY you should not be leading this proposed GETM crucifixion Stretch, LMFAO!!!

Shit it seems quite likely then your "competitive" spirit may hamper the principles of conduct you've openly embraced as a rep on Meso including;;honesty, integrity, and trustworthiness..

In other words I suspect you will discover those less principled "fields of gray" more comforting while battling to be "the best"!

Jim

Again, I'll let you know that I resent any inference that my integrity is for sale. I'm done with Ge-Tm thing Jim. The truth will eventually come out.

What reseller did the noobs get their gear from? Is that reseller still selling Ge-Tm gear today?
 

MM
I never observed any blood work as requested by CBS, but then again I've been out of the US, with my technology limited to the iPhone.

I've also requested you forward this info by PM yet have not received any "blood work"".

That being said I do believe YOUR complaint is bonified, primarily because you have no apparent conflict of interests and David has assured me you will receive "primo as ordered"!

This thread has gone on for a while with lots of supposition but few facts so I went back to the beginning to see what facts have been posted.


Monster posted a lab on 28/9/13 but it was microscopic in size so I requested a bigger image which he posted later that day and I didn't notice.

Screen_Shot_2013_09_26_at_4_06_41_PM.jpg



The results show testosterone = 33.0 ng/ml. The units are in ng/ml, so in ng/dL - 3300 ng/dL. The references ranges on his lab are blank.

Monster stated in his OP on 26/9/13 that he injected 400mg/primo (100mg/ml) on Monday (23/9/13) and the lab he posted showed the sample was collected on Wednessday (25/9/13).

So Monster injected 4cc's. If what he injected was in fact testosterone, the concentration would have to be high, even with a 4cc dose, to achieve a peak TT of 3300ng/dL after only one injection. Dr Jim can give a better estimate than I can on what dosage of test will result in those levels but as a rough guess - 800 to 1000mg.

Nefarious labs that substitute test for primo use low concentrations of test so the user won't become suspicious by the obvious side effects that come with a high test dose. This is especially important with primo because it is a notoriously mild AAS.

I don't know what is going on here but after looking at this thread again in its entirety, it seems unlikely that this is a case of a source trying to *intentionally* pass-off test for primo.

CBS
 
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