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[FunkOdyssey]

Where do you pin? Usual IM spot?

Delts, ventroglutes, lats, dorsoglutes, sometimes quads if I'm feeling lucky.

 

[Sampei]

Delts, ventroglutes, lats, dorsoglutes, sometimes quads if I'm feeling lucky.

How many ML? Can you do 2-3ml glutes ?

 

[FunkOdyssey]

How many ML? Can you do 2-3ml glutes ?

No idea - my insulin syringes max out at 1 ml, which is fine for me and my little baby doses on TRT+.

If your oil averages 250 mg/ml concentration, you can inject 1750 mg of AAS weekly at 1 ml a day. That would be plenty for most people I would think.

 

[Ghoul]

Where do you pin? Usual IM spot?

I know you're not asking me, but I've used 1/2" 27g into alternating delts for shallow IM for years. No lumps, no scar tissue, essentially totally painless every time.

No warming oil at that gauge either, or different pin to draw, though I use spikes now anyway.

And of course, the highest quality syringes you can get really makes a difference. In the US it should be BD every time.

 

[Sampei]

I know you're not asking me, but I've used 1/2" 27g into alternating delts for shallow IM for years. No lumps, no scar tissue, essentially totally painless every time.

No warming oil at that gauge either, or different pin to draw, though I use spikes now anyway.

And of course, the highest quality syringes you can get really makes a difference. In the US it should be BD every time.

Yeah I use 27G as well but a bit longer needle I think 19mm. Delts are fine but I can't shoot too many MLs in there

 

[Sampei]

No idea - my insulin syringes max out at 1 ml, which is fine for me and my little baby doses on TRT+.

If your oil averages 250 mg/ml concentration, you can inject 1750 mg of AAS at 1 ml a day. That would be plenty for most people I would think.

Oh ok I thought we were talking about blast doses.

 

[Ghoul]

Oh ok I thought we were talking about blast doses.

Mine are 1ml or less as well.

 

[griffinator]

I was just wondering if GA has been slow to respond to anyone else because I emailed them about 3 days ago and haven't had a response when typically they respond same day. Thanks for answering my question if anyone has had the same issue or its just me

 

[Droc]

I use 27g 1" needles on a 1ml syringe. Right now I'm in injecting 5 times per week. Quads, lats, shoulders and glute. Only injecting 1ml into an area at a time is game changing. Sub q for oil is silly to me, it's designed by pharmaceutical companies to an IM injection, and gh/peptides go sub q

 

[Grey Spartan]

I was just wondering if GA has been slow to respond to anyone else because I emailed them about 3 days ago and haven't had a response when typically they respond same day. Thanks for answering my question if anyone has had the same issue or its just me

I noticed on the weekend they are slower to respond. Remember the time difference. Example, right now it is 0200 Monday morning in China.

 

[youwhat?]

I was just wondering if GA has been slow to respond to anyone else because I emailed them about 3 days ago and haven't had a response when typically they respond same day. Thanks for answering my question if anyone has had the same issue or its just me

He’s been a tad slower, but nothing to worry about. He’ll get to ya. I also had a glitch in my proton mail the other day. It showed his email was sent the day before, but showed up the next day.

 

[griffinator]

He’s been a tad slower, but nothing to worry about. He’ll get to ya. I also had a glitch in my proton mail the other day. It showed his email was sent the day before, but showed up the next day.

Appreciate it i was slowly tweaking over it because i put in a pricey order

 

[mok4315]

A few points.

Eating endotoxin is no threat unless you have a compromised gut, as it can't cross that barrier into the bloodstream. We consume significant quantities every day.

We evolved to deal with it in food, it's everywhere.

Anywhere bacteria touches, it leaves behind endotoxin. Like a fingerprint. (or more like tracking shit on your shoes).

Injecting it is an entirely different matter, and large amounts can induce immediate reactions, while small amounts can be symptom free, while slowly contributing to damage, like accelerating arthritis.

Every injectable drug has some amount of endotoxin, including the most carefully made pharmaceuticals. That's how prevalent and difficult it is to remove. The FDA doesn't require anything to be endotoxin free, only placing maximum limits on how much exposure a patient is allowed in a certain amount of time.

But the beauty about endotoxin testing is this, regardless of whether one cares about the long term impact:

Everything that bacteria touches, even after sterilization(killing or removing live bacteria), leaves behind endotoxin. It can only be "deactivated" by very high heat.

Pharma must test for endotoxin, and UGL doesn't, resulting in a large gap between pharma and UGL production methods. Pharma knows they have to keep it out, because they can't remove it at the end. UGL only cares about sterilizing live bacteria out so acute infections aren't reported by users.

Pharma = ensure everything is sterile to the greatest extend possible to keep endotoxin out. From endotoxin free sterile ingredients to sterilized equipment, packaging, and production lab cleanliness. Filter sterilize at the end, Just as a safeguard the end product is sterile.

UGL = Use non pharma ingredients filled with contaminants, leave the raws bag open exposed to bacteria laden air. never sterilize equipment, use cheap containers and stoppers that are not endotoxin free, finally, at the end of this dirty, sloppy process. filter sterilize which is good enough to prevent a acute infections, and hides a multitude of sins.

But filter sterilizing won't hide endotoxin, which slips through .22um filters.

Endotoxin testing also detects live bacteria a bonus.

So in the end you get a number. EU/ml (endotoxins per ml).

Let's say you test 5 vials of the same compound from 5 labs. I'm certain you'll get wildly different results.

It's an insight into the lab's practices. Better than any "lab pic".

The lower the better. And when some lab's hidden carelessness and filthy production is revealed, they'll be incentivized to lower that number to compete.

Sterilize the equipment before brewing - EU will go down

Keep your raws sealed - EU will go down

Use pharma grade MCT, not the cheaper bulk stuff - EU will go down

Buy endotoxin free, or heat your own containers to deactivate endotoxin(which will also ensure they're sterilized) - EU will go down.

So as you can see, EU, whether you care about the cumulative, long term effects of endotoxins being injected (and you should), or not, one simple number, EU serves as a metric revealing the hidden lab conditions, ingredients, and other factors we wish we had insight into.

We could prime the pump by sponsoring the test of 5 (or more) vials of Test-C from the biggest vendors, and reveal who's operating a clean lab, and who isn't.

That single number could spark competition among gear sellers to be lowest EU, and therefore the cleanest, safest gear on the market.

Like dimer for HGH, this "clean lab score" could become an expected, mandatory test demanded by AAS buyers.

I’d get in on that test. Five labs and Sampei’s homebrew.
While my oil use is limited to primo and I certainly don’t pin as much as my male counterparts, lab sterility practices will go a long way in creating confidence and trust in the source. I don’t expect UGLs to match pharma standards but the closer they get, the more likely I am to buy from them.

 

[Ghoul]

I’d get in on that test. Five labs and Sampei’s homebrew.
While my oil use is limited to primo and I certainly don’t pin as much as my male counterparts, lab sterility practices will go a long way in creating confidence and trust in the source. I don’t expect UGLs to match pharma standards but the closer they get, the more likely I am to buy from them.

Without the testing of HGH dimer, I doubt we'd see the results we do today, where it's not uncommon to see very low or no dimer, Most couldn't tell you *why* dimer matters. but they look for it on test results anyway, knowing less is better. It's about creating a measurable, objective target for labs to move towards, that doesn't cost a fortune.

One challenge will be making sure we have a test procedure that's reproducible by other labs. Water based solutions have endotoxin "standards" that procedures can be checked against to ensure accuracy and consistent results, but for oil based compounds. my understanding is the lab has to make their own.

Also a number of different LAL "test kits" are used from different manufacturers, so we'll need the exact procedure and supplies used to be documented.

 

[bighunanballs]

A few points.

Eating endotoxin is no threat unless you have a compromised gut, as it can't cross that barrier into the bloodstream. We consume significant quantities every day.

We evolved to deal with it in food, it's everywhere.

Anywhere bacteria touches, it leaves behind endotoxin. Like a fingerprint. (or more like tracking shit on your shoes).

Injecting it is an entirely different matter, and large amounts can induce immediate reactions, while small amounts can be symptom free, while slowly contributing to damage, like accelerating arthritis.

Every injectable drug has some amount of endotoxin, including the most carefully made pharmaceuticals. That's how prevalent and difficult it is to remove. The FDA doesn't require anything to be endotoxin free, only placing maximum limits on how much exposure a patient is allowed in a certain amount of time.

But the beauty about endotoxin testing is this, regardless of whether one cares about the long term impact:

Everything that bacteria touches, even after sterilization(killing or removing live bacteria), leaves behind endotoxin. It can only be "deactivated" by very high heat.

Pharma must test for endotoxin, and UGL doesn't, resulting in a large gap between pharma and UGL production methods. Pharma knows they have to keep it out, because they can't remove it at the end. UGL only cares about sterilizing live bacteria out so acute infections aren't reported by users.

Pharma = ensure everything is sterile to the greatest extend possible to keep endotoxin out. From endotoxin free sterile ingredients to sterilized equipment, packaging, and production lab cleanliness. Filter sterilize at the end, Just as a safeguard the end product is sterile.

UGL = Use non pharma ingredients filled with contaminants, leave the raws bag open exposed to bacteria laden air. never sterilize equipment, use cheap containers and stoppers that are not endotoxin free, finally, at the end of this dirty, sloppy process. filter sterilize which is good enough to prevent a acute infections, and hides a multitude of sins.

But filter sterilizing won't hide endotoxin, which slips through .22um filters.

Endotoxin testing also detects live bacteria a bonus.

So in the end you get a number. EU/ml (endotoxins per ml).

Let's say you test 5 vials of the same compound from 5 labs. I'm certain you'll get wildly different results.

It's an insight into the lab's practices. Better than any "lab pic".

The lower the better. And when some lab's hidden carelessness and filthy production is revealed, they'll be incentivized to lower that number to compete.

Sterilize the equipment before brewing - EU will go down

Keep your raws sealed - EU will go down

Use pharma grade MCT, not the cheaper bulk stuff - EU will go down

Buy endotoxin free, or heat your own containers to deactivate endotoxin(which will also ensure they're sterilized) - EU will go down.

So as you can see, EU, whether you care about the cumulative, long term effects of endotoxins being injected (and you should), or not, one simple number, EU serves as a metric revealing the hidden lab conditions, ingredients, and other factors we wish we had insight into.

We could prime the pump by sponsoring the test of 5 (or more) vials of Test-C from the biggest vendors, and reveal who's operating a clean lab, and who isn't.

That single number could spark competition among gear sellers to be lowest EU, and therefore the cleanest, safest gear on the market.

Like dimer for HGH, this "clean lab score" could become an expected, mandatory test demanded by AAS buyers.

We're mainly interested in endotoxins in the canna industry as it regards to vapes. Vaping an endotoxin is much different than injecting it.

 

[Ghoul]

We're mainly interested in endotoxins in the canna industry as it regards to vapes. Vaping an endotoxin is much different than injecting it.

Makes sense. A lot of the long term endotoxin harms being discovered just now relate to inhaling them from environments where there are a lot. Whether poorly ventilated damp housing, or slaughterhouses where the air is thick with bacteria and endotoxin.

We are still naturally protected from endotoxins that are inhaled, but not to the degree the GI system can handle them.

We're defenseless to injections of them, and not much attention is paid because regulated pharma injectables already control for this.

Not even IV drug users inject the volume of unregulated compounds the AAS community does. Problems are found during autopsies of folks who are on long term IV drips before they die. Particulates creating microembolisms damaging many organs, signs of reactive arthritis in joints, etc. That's why filtration is required for those now. And that's pharma grade.

It's the amount of exposure that's most worrisome in my mind. A once a year, or even once a month shot with some crap in it may not add up to much, but multiple daily injections, a little "bad stuff" can add up over years...

One example I came across recently. Industrial MCT oil, the lowest grade, is loaded with pollutants, herbicides, and pesticides from cheap production methods in third world countries. Pharma grade, like most homebrewers use, doesn't have this in it. But a large producer could opt for a barrel of that crap, and the end user would never know. We can't test for everything, it's. impractical. But that shit grade will also be loaded with endotoxin, compared to the ultra filtered, sterile pharma MCT. So again, the test is a proxy, a "cumulative score of poor practices" by a lab.

 

[Stamkos]

I shoot glutes, lats, pecs, and occasionally delts.
Always IM.

 

[Dkland]

Thank you to Ghoul and Readalot!!
I won’t even pretend that I understand all the things yall talk about but the things you talk about are often ones I never knew existed. This new facet of harm reduction has been very enlightening.

 

[Grey Spartan]

maybe an big november promo, what you guys vote for?

@Trenbolonetax has me fiending for orals, nandrolone and sushi.

 

[Esteronez]

We want a new promo!! Tren e kit at 80$!!
Masteron e kit at 70$!! Come on!!

whys this dude always begging for a promo when hes got the best prices, quality and shipping.