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UpNorth said:
What is your solution? Without wet granulation, or a higher dose per cap, it’s a nearly impossible task. And you can’t make liquid t3 because it degrades so quickly in a solution.

It’s either way too strong tablets that you quarter, or the smallest possible capsule and hope for the best. That being said, it would be good to have a disclaimer or something, but this I can’t see any lab doing.
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This is probably the best idea, having a disclaimer. I’m sure most labs do their best but in reality you are dealing with very small units of measure. I know a lot of more serious guys prefer pharma t3 and anti e as well. I’d say best bet is to inform people that the dosing could be off or just pull the product off the shelf. Sending for third party testing would be good but you may have one that’s bang on and the next one could have 2 or 3x the required dose
 
3ml said:
Put in the work....lol
Lol man I’ve been involved in the AAS scene in Canada for well over 2 decades.
Trust me I don’t enjoy the fruits of your labour, I can just go directly to the owner of many labs in Canada I don’t need you to vet people for me...thanks anyway though. I have Been a moderator on several forums over the years and currently on a Canadian one. Trust me I’ve done a lot to help many many people over the years....you don’t know me either.
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True I don’t know you. However I didn’t call you out about shit till you decided to knock my post.
 
HockeyHead said:
Any "Vet" would tell someone to make their own decisions in regards to sources. So just because you chose to question sources. No one owes you a thing! And I recall reading you're one of the guy's crying foul, when the older members were questioning in TGI thread. Oh the irony!
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He was vetted just as closely as any of the others. Now he had a proven track record. But if you were paying attention then you know our problem was with the way Ben made his entrance to the thread by shitting on several members instead of the source. So damn right I made my point known. On top of that nothing was ever even remotely proved so it was nothing but a rant.
 
The ole man said:
See ppl like you don’t put in any work but want to enjoy the fruits of our work.
I’ve taken my day several times to help vet sources including Venom who I was the first one to call out that he had his weed tent filtration setup wrong. So you take 2 of my posts out of 1000 and claim you know me? You don’t know shit.
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3ml is a good dude. He's done his part several times, most recently with Venom and PGA. There's too much friendly fire happening in this thread.

LET'S ALL JUST TAKE A DEEP BREATH! woah, i held that breath too long and i'm REALLY lightheaded now, what was i saying...? Oh right, anyway, whisk your eggs before adding them to your preheated pan for easier cooking. :confused::D
 
MisterSuperGod said:
3ml is a good dude. He's done his part several times, most recently with Venom and PGA. There's too much friendly fire happening in this thread.

LET'S ALL JUST TAKE A DEEP BREATH! woah, i held that breath too long and i'm REALLY lightheaded now, what was i saying...? Oh right, anyway, whisk your eggs before adding them to your preheated pan for easier cooking. :confused::D
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Lol thanks
MSG always the voice of reason
 
MisterSuperGod said:
3ml is a good dude. He's done his part several times, most recently with Venom and PGA. There's too much friendly fire happening in this thread.

LET'S ALL JUST TAKE A DEEP BREATH! woah, i held that breath too long and i'm REALLY lightheaded now, what was i saying...? Oh right, anyway, whisk your eggs before adding them to your preheated pan for easier cooking. :confused::D
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And add coconut oil for excellent scrambled eggs!
 
UpNorth said:
What is your solution? Without wet granulation, or a higher dose per cap, it’s a nearly impossible task. And you can’t make liquid t3 because it degrades so quickly in a solution.

It’s either way too strong tablets that you quarter, or the smallest possible capsule and hope for the best. That being said, it would be good to have a disclaimer or something, but this I can’t see any lab doing.
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3rd party testing would only verify results, you still need to get to this result with the following steps.

A scale ustilized for measuring these small amounts. They’re measuring 100k mcg or 0.1g on a scale made to measure a few hundred and only certified to .01 or a factor of 10. Most places will want a measuring factor of 20 when measuring out to end users (think cannabis dispensary) in analytics we like to see a factor of 100 (2 decimal places past the measuring point) the scales they use read out past 2 points, reading .001 when they are measuring .1 but the manufacturer only certified the scale for .01, or a factor of 10 past the measuring point instead of 100.

Some ways around this are to get a more accurate scale which actually isn’t all that expensive from the model they have, or to measure more, 20k doses compared to 2,000 (unlikely to happen.)

The next step is ensuring you’re measurments are correct, that means your scale needs to be accurate. Every scale WILL and DOES drift, it’s a fact we live with and why I asked about their calibration process. You counteract that by calibrating the scale and verifying the calibration. You verify it with calibration weights, in this case F1 is the minimum you’d want, E2 or better, E1 are much preferred. Once you know your weights are calibrated you can use them to test the scale and if the scale can be calibrated then do so, if not it needs to be sent off.

The values we're dealing with are so sensitive that if you send a scale or weight off for calibration or verification that thing will actually sit in the lab for a few days before anyone touches it. That’s to ensure the material adjusts to the labs temperature, humidity, etc. before they calibrate them against their certified instruments.

Once you have a certified and calibrated scale and/or weights then you can ensure you’re measuring your ingredients correctly. They are doing 5 batches of 400 at a time and the product will settle. You overcome that by scooping out your 400 doses and putting leftovers back in the mixer to blend while you’re capping. Then you send the finished product off for testing to ensure every step above was done correctly.

To sum up; they need a more sensitive scale that is frequently verified and calibrated, and continuously mix raws while capping. It sounds trivial when comparing every other lab selling orals but we’re talking numbers 1,000 times smaller in this case, but it seems they are still using the techniques for something 1,000x bigger we're used to seeing everyday in dbol or Anavar.
 
mp46 said:
3rd party testing would only verify results, you still need to get to this result with the following steps.

A scale ustilized for measuring these small amounts. They’re measuring 100k mcg or 0.1g on a scale made to measure a few hundred and only certified to .01 or a factor of 10. Most places will want a measuring factor of 20 when measuring out to end users (think cannabis dispensary) in analytics we like to see a factor of 100 (2 decimal places past the measuring point) the scales they use read out past 2 points, reading .001 when they are measuring .1 but the manufacturer only certified the scale for .01, or a factor of 10 past the measuring point instead of 100.

Some ways around this are to get a more accurate scale which actually isn’t all that expensive from the model they have, or to measure more, 20k doses compared to 2,000 (unlikely to happen.)

The next step is ensuring you’re measurments are correct, that means your scale needs to be accurate. Every scale WILL and DOES drift, it’s a fact we live with and why I asked about their calibration process. You counteract that by calibrating the scale and verifying the calibration. You verify it with calibration weights, in this case F1 is the minimum you’d want, E2 or better, E1 are much preferred. Once you know your weights are calibrated you can use them to test the scale and if the scale can be calibrated then do so, if not it needs to be sent off.

The values we're dealing with are so sensitive that if you send a scale or weight off for calibration or verification that thing will actually sit in the lab for a few days before anyone touches it. That’s to ensure the material adjusts to the labs temperature, humidity, etc. before they calibrate them against their certified instruments.

Once you have a certified and calibrated scale and/or weights then you can ensure you’re measuring your ingredients correctly. They are doing 5 batches of 400 at a time and the product will settle. You overcome that by scooping out your 400 doses and putting leftovers back in the mixer to blend while you’re capping. Then you send the finished product off for testing to ensure every step above was done correctly.

To sum up; they need a more sensitive scale that is frequently verified and calibrated, and continuously mix raws while capping. It sounds trivial when comparing every other lab selling orals but we’re talking numbers 1,000 times smaller in this case, but it seems they are still using the techniques for something 1,000x bigger we're used to seeing everyday in dbol or Anavar.
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I’m completely impressed by this post. Great info
 
MisterSuperGod said:
3ml is a good dude. He's done his part several times, most recently with Venom and PGA. There's too much friendly fire happening in this thread.

LET'S ALL JUST TAKE A DEEP BREATH! woah, i held that breath too long and i'm REALLY lightheaded now, what was i saying...? Oh right, anyway, whisk your eggs before adding them to your preheated pan for easier cooking. :confused::D
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Have to agree with @MisterSuperGod that @3ml is a respected member that tells it like it is. His experience and knowledge are invaluable. I haven’t chimed in about the T3 as I am no expert in the field of pharmaceutical mixing. Interesting stuff and great insight from a lot of the vets here on Meso.
In defence of @Greatstuff he has always been a very reliable rep and always very fair to deal with. He has been around a while with Genetec. Even though they went through a minor name change and added new products, it is essentially still the same lab. In the interest of providing clarity and great customer service, GS opted to create a new relevant thread. He could have just sat back and continued on, status quo. He has always responded back honestly and respectfully. I fully understand the vetting process here at Meso by the great group of vets here. They keep everyone honest. However, I do think that GS is beyond some of the “new source” vetting that we typically see. Let’s not pollute this thread with insignificant rants that provide no real value. And let’s not insult each other aimlessly. It detracts from the overall value of what you all can add to this thread. A lot of great experience on Meso that can bring a lot of value, especially to new members looking for direction. Peace and kudos boys...
 
EazyE said:
Have to agree with @MisterSuperGod that @3ml is a respected member that tells it like it is. His experience and knowledge are invaluable. I haven’t chimed in about the T3 as I am no expert in the field of pharmaceutical mixing. Interesting stuff and great insight from a lot of the vets here on Meso.
In defence of @Greatstuff he has always been a very reliable rep and always very fair to deal with. He has been around a while with Genetec. Even though they went through a minor name change and added new products, it is essentially still the same lab. In the interest of providing clarity and great customer service, GS opted to create a new relevant thread. He could have just sat back and continued on, status quo. He has always responded back honestly and respectfully. I fully understand the vetting process here at Meso by the great group of vets here. They keep everyone honest. However, I do think that GS is beyond some of the “new source” vetting that we typically see. Let’s not pollute this thread with insignificant rants that provide no real value. And let’s not insult each other aimlessly. It detracts from the overall value of what you all can add to this thread. A lot of great experience on Meso that can bring a lot of value, especially to new members looking for direction. Peace and kudos boys...
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I got to second this one. We have some great vets here that are awesome at sniffing out the shit and taking care of business keeping us safe from the trash that tries to get in here, don't ever stop what your doing it's awesome.

That said though, @Greatstuff has been great to deal with and has been here for some time now in the old thread started by manpower. He has even helped out a brother in need. Those that dont remember, I think it was Apex?
 
Greatstuff said:
Im not sure what email this is. I generally respond to all emails very quickly. Perhaps yours was overlooked, or it wasnt from a secure email and I deleted it. If you like send me a new email.
Thanks,
GS
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i just emailed him and got a response within ... 10 mins max.
 
Curious if anyone has tried the DHB? Dose used, Any PIP, What it was stacked with, pretty much any general info/results would be great.
@MapleSyrup I think you said you ordered some?
 
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