Geneza lab tests, Jan 2015

[naps]

Hello meso crew! I hope you guys are all doing fine.

Below is just a small update on the latest HPLC lab tests of Geneza raw materials fresh batch. The tests have been done this and the past week.

https://www.1napsgear.org/lab_test.php

Check the Jan 21 and Jan 28 links.

 

[pumpingiron22]

@Dr JIM, can you tell me what you think?

 

[Boilermech]

I will be interested in seeing what Doc says but I would still like to say thanks for having these done.

 

[Mr.Bravo]

I will be interested in seeing what Doc says but I would still like to say thanks for having these done.

Hey how have you been man, I hope all is well on your end.

 

[Boilermech]

Hey how have you been man, I hope all is well on your end.

Everything is great with me brother thanks for asking. Working 6 days a week 10hrs a day so I haven't had much time to be on here other than answering a crap load of PMs. lol. How you doing?

 

[Dr JIM]

@Dr JIM, can you tell me what you think?

I agree w BM I think, bc either NAPs is making a legit effort to assist mates in their decision which lab to use OR they are posting this data to deceive them.

Of course the analyses are absent some procedural info that should be included whenever results of this nature are posted, overall I've seen MUCH WORSE!

So they have posted a few assays on their raws but that degree of purity is RARELY if EVER sold to mates.

But that's why independent testing is so very important IMO

 

[Mr.Bravo]

Iam surviving, cant complain it wont do me anygood any ways.

 

[pmac928]

I just don't trust naps. I've read more bad reviews on ALL his products then good. Thanks @Dr JIM for everything.

 

[voltron111]

I have been on GP test E and tren A, And honestly do not feel shit.

Hello meso crew! I hope you guys are all doing fine.

Below is just a small update on the latest HPLC lab tests of Geneza raw materials fresh batch. The tests have been done this and the past week.

https://www.1napsgear.org/lab_test.php

Check the Jan 21 and Jan 28 links.

I have been on GP test E and tren A for about 2 1/2 weeks, And honestly i do not feel shit. kinda irritating when you post this shit.

 

[Boilermech]

I have been on GP test E and tren A, And honestly do not feel shit.

I have been on GP test E and tren A for about 2 1/2 weeks, And honestly i do not feel shit. kinda irritating when you post this shit.

2 1/2 weeks isn't long enough to feel anything brother. What dosages are you running?

 

[Manny]

Yep

2 1/2 weeks isn't long enough to feel anything brother. What dosages are you running?

 

[pmac928]

2 1/2 weeks you should start getting sides from tren. How are you sleeping at night?

 

[Manny]

Tren e or a bro? A you'll def be feeling it. I was sweaty on e but it took a few weeks

 

[Dr JIM]

Very few mates that have used NAPS GP line of AAS seem the least bit satisfied.

That's just MY opinion based on multiple reviews, primarily from Meso where GP doesn't guide or direct the commentary more to their liking.

This again is why independent testing is so very important.

Here is GP posting the results of raws that appear GTG but in contradiction the GP reviews pretty much suck!

Well obviously something doesn't jive and chances are the "raws" being tested are either not GP raws, or GP stomps all over their raws to achieve an AAS purity that literally stinks.

Jim

 

[Boilermech]

I have been on GP test E and tren A for about 2 1/2 weeks, And honestly i do not feel shit. kinda irritating when you post this shit.

Sorry brother. I didn't catch the Tren A. I just seen the Test E and thought Tren E. Yes you should at least be having night sweats by now. That is dependent on your dosages. But I'm running Tren A from a private source and around 2 weeks I started sweating my butt off when I'm sleeping. You plan on having bloodwork done at 6 weeks into your cycle?

Very few mates that have used NAPS GP line of AAS seem the least bit satisfied.

That's just MY opinion based on multiple reviews, primarily from Meso where GP doesn't guide or direct the commentary more to their liking.

This again is why independent testing is so very important.

Here is GP posting the results of raws that appear GTG but in contradiction the GP reviews pretty much suck!

Well obviously something doesn't jive and chances are the "raws" being tested are either not GP raws, or GP stomps all over their raws to achieve an AAS purity that literally stinks.

Jim

I have seen a few decent reviews on GP and several underdosed reviews. I'm glad Naps is testing their raws so don't get me wrong on this, but the consumer doesn't get the raws. The consumer gets the finished products.
So if the raws tested 100% and they cut that in half into the finished product it doesn't really matter if the raws were good now does it.
Like you mentioned earlier, this is why we must do independent testing. Lab analysis, bloodwork and of course the ever so famous labmax. Without our independent testing we would all be at the mercy of the source and their test results. So I agree completely with you Doc.
I do however have a little respect for Naps for them taking care of issues when they arise instead of ignoring them. But that's somewhat of a different matter than the one at hand. What I would like to see is Naps testing some of their finished products. The reasoning would be because something could be lacking in the brewing process that they would be made aware of. Of course if we continue to see underdosed GP gear from our tests then maybe they will acknowledge that there is an issue and remedy it correctly. It's just a thought but I think it is an achievable one.

 

[Dr JIM]

What I would like to see is Naps testing some of their finished products. The reasoning would be because something could be lacking in the brewing process that they would be made aware of. .

With deference you KNOW better fella. Now lets see how long has NAPS been in the AAS business? Well over TEN YEARS!!! So they either know OR should know what's in the final product being sold, period.

It's BULLSHIT and there should be no mystery here bc 99.9999% of UGLs KNOW exactly what they are selling and inventing excuses for them ONLY INVITES more malfeasance.

Regs
JIM

 

[Boilermech]

With deference you KNOW better fella. Now lets see how long has NAPS been in the AAS business? Well over TEN YEARS!!! So they either know OR should know what's in the final product being sold, period.

It's BULLSHIT and there should be no mystery here bc 99.9999% of UGLs KNOW exactly what they are selling and inventing excuses for them ONLY INVITES more malfeasance.

Regs
JIM

Just for the record brother I'm not making excuses for them. I have always said GP sucks. Why do I say that? Simply because I have seen less than desirable bloodwork from members here.
But what we haven't seen is any lab results that say it's underdosed or accurately dosed to compare to their testing. And the longer this continues to be the case the more crap they will be able to sell, period. The people I have talked to have been informed a million times by me that the GP products are hit or miss. Some good blood results have came back on them and some bad. So why is it that we still have people buying such unknown quality AAS. Because we don't have any of our own lab analysis to prove its crap to people, that's why. So if it is crap then we need proof that people will listen to. For some idiotic reason a lot of people don't buy into our bloodwork results as being low. So we need our own HPLC results to show people.
The point I was trying to get across earlier was that I don't give a shit about how good their raws test. People don't buy the raws.
I don't use GP products which you know Doc. And I'm trying to open eyes here that the raws being tested is great but the finished product is what matters period.
Boilermech

 

[Dr JIM]

No problem BM your GTG IMO mate! I'm only emphasizing with the track record UGLs have based on the testing already performed (and the prelim data, due by next weeks end, looks no better) no lab needs consumers providing excuses for them.

Because the onus is on the lab to deliver a quality product and NO ONE else. Sorry but I've heard enough excuses from these labs, and it's now about time they deliver, get slammed by consumers or get the hell out of the AAS business.

But hey that's just my biased opinion yet quite likely the same one held by ANYONE who has been screwed by these bastards.

Regs
jim

 

[naps]

I have been on GP test E and tren A

How much are you running per week Sir? May I ask you to do the bloods in 1-2 weeks and check the test levels? I will cover the labs costs. PM me your order number please.

 

[naps]

The reasoning would be because something could be lacking in the brewing process that they would be made aware of.

There is nothing fancy about the process really. All you need is perfect raw materials. You take X raws, add Y oil and solvents, then filter. If the raws are good and proportions followed, there is zero chance the product may be underdosed. In fact we overdose it by 10% always.
The raw materials lab reports are really enough for the inhouse control and to make sure the product is what the labels claims... we don't lose the powder in the process or overfill pure oil with shaky hands lol. All I need is the perfect raw materials, the rest is details. This is why we are testing the raws only. The finished product HPLC test done by me will not add any more credibility to the brand.

The finished product HPLC test should be done by you guys!!!