Triton_
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For the lady's who have ran GH, at what dose did you find as the hot spot for not only quick recovery but for weight loss. Do IGF1 levels raise higher off lower doses than compared to men?
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ChestRockwell
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Absolutely not. Estrogen is a potent suppressor of hepatic IGF-1 conversion and so women will tend to have comparatively lower endocrine IGF-1 levels as compared to males using the same doses.
Eman
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Interesting. I wasn't sure of the reason behind women achieving lower IGF values, good info.
ChestRockwell
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Estrogen is a funny one, in that it has a stimulating effect on GH's secretory profile (why women tend to have higher serum GH levels) but negatively impacts IGF-1 conversion...
From my understanding there are more women using gh than men actually. I always heard 1iu per day for females
ChestRockwell
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And what is even more of a potential mind-bender...
Estrogen's ability to increase GH's secretory profile may simply be related to the fact it suppresses hepatic IGF-1 conversion, thereby removing the IGF negative feedback upon GH secretion. And around and around we go...
Estrogen's ability to increase GH's secretory profile may simply be related to the fact it suppresses hepatic IGF-1 conversion, thereby removing the IGF negative feedback upon GH secretion. And around and around we go...
ChestRockwell
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In visual form...
Triton_
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Great info, thank you RockwellIn visual form...
ChestRockwell
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Actually, females generally require substantially higher levels of GH replacement than their male counterparts. The same can be said for supratherapeutic dosing strategies...
Span JP, Pieters GF, Sweep CG, Hermus AR, Smals AG. Gender difference in insulin-like growth factor I response to growth hormone (GH) treatment in GH-deficient adults: role of sex hormone replacement. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2000 Mar;85(3):1121-5
Damn, I didn't know that. I'm just speaking based on the few females I know who use it
ChestRockwell
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I think there is a general lack of knowledge on sexual dimorphism as it relates to GH, as I've seen the "females should use less than males" advice touted elsewhere as well...
Rockclimber
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It's interesting you mention that because the very first time I Googled women and growth hormone there was a video on YouTube where some male bodybuilders were in South America with their girlfriends. They claimed their girlfriends were using 200 units a month and then would take three months off. At the time it sounded absolutely absurd to be using that much as a woman. Are you familiar with this video or concept?
Rockclimber
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Here is the video. As ridiculous as it is when you watch it I do find it fascinating that these are the doses they take when you can purchase it over the counter.
ChestRockwell
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Thanks, I'll try to watch as time permits.
ChestRockwell
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And if the females are using estrogen based oral contraceptives, forget about it.
Take the already stubborn female response to GH and add 55-70% on top of that.
Take the already stubborn female response to GH and add 55-70% on top of that.
Rockclimber
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Thanks CR. I read this study last night, thought it might help with the OP:
http://www.eje-online.org/content/141/6/601.full.pdf
http://www.eje-online.org/content/141/6/601.full.pdf
Good video. I like the info. Although I don't have my wife do more then 2 iu. No carbs 30min before and after her shot before be work out. Eod. On black tops
She's about 5 months in and seems to be working great although any suggestions would be great as she in figure also she's on var about 10mg day I'm to scared for her to do any other anything else do to my lack of education. As I want her to keep feminine as she doing figure. Also need to broden my education on GH alone. As we never plan to come off but takes months to cruise
Rockclimber
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Thank you for giving us your wife's dose. My wife is now begging to get on GH, I wrote a long story about it the GODT thread but there is no stopping her now, I don't want to go in blindly but it seems like female dose recommendations are 1.5 units ED and no more however in this thread it seems like I could bump that up to 2 units without hesitation?
Its good to hear from someone else who is pinning their wife and seeing results. So that I am hearing you correctly, she is pining 2iu EOD?
ChestRockwell
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What are your wife's goals for GH (e.g. hypertrophy, lipolysis, etc)?
Rockclimber
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She says lipolysis is her primary concern but her diet is always spot on when she is training. She never had problems shedding weight. I would love to see her gain a little LBM from GH but her goals.... like most women... is loss of adipose tissue.
Also she would love to have stronger hair and nails and an increase in skin elasticity. Things common with even low doses of GH.
Also she would love to have stronger hair and nails and an increase in skin elasticity. Things common with even low doses of GH.
