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Gh dose for best sleep?
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Daywalker2606
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When started with gh the first few weeks it really messed up my sleep, probably cause it gave me so bad neck pain. Then from 3-6iu I really slept like a baby. Nice dreams. Woke up rested… but now at 8iu I sleep deep and long but sometimes those dreams are so realistic that they really exhaust me sometimes. But all in all it improved my sleep
dudemos
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damn 10iu is a massive dose no wonder your sleep is totally trashed right now. i tried pushing it that high once and i was basically a zombie during the day because i was waking up every hour on the dot. it is super common for high gh to mess with your deep sleep and give you that crazy restless feeling. honestly try dropping it down to like 2 or 4iu just to see if you can actually close your eyes for more than an hour... you might find that "less is more" when it comes to not feeling like absolute garbage. sleep is where the growth happens anyway so if you aren't sleeping you are just wasting the gear man.
You take your hGH pre-bed ?
Change to AM. 8iu AM and 2iu pre-bed
Guzmanus
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holy crap 10iu is a monster dose no wonder you feel like garbage man i cant even imagine how restless you are right now. i tried pushing high doses before and i was basically just staring at the ceiling all night dripping sweat and feeling like a zombie. for most people that deep restful sleep usually happens way lower like in the 2 to 4iu range because once you go too high it just stimulates your system way too much and ruins your recovery. honestly id try cutting that dose in half tonight just to see if you can actually get through a full sleep cycle without waking up because sleeping like shit is just going to kill your gains anyway. stay sane man cause that sleep deprivation is a nightmare.
By any chance are you taking Retatrutide? If so, that may be the culprit. Definitely try Magnesium Glycinate and Melatonin before bed, those will likely help regardless of what you're currently taking. TBF, it could be a slew of things. It might be worthwhile to make a laundry list of all the compounds that you're currently taking, and begin subtracting—HGH is sleep supportive.
10iu is a pretty big hit. Waking up 5-6 times fits classic GH stuff: cortisol/adrenaline spikes, possible night glucose swings (CGM or a glucometer tells the truth), plus water retention making snoring or mild apnea worse. Basically your body is partying while you’re trying to sleep. I’d lower the peak by splitting it into 5iu in the morning and 5iu later, or just move it all to the morning and see if sleep stops getting wrecked.
Juicedhead
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Yeah so I had a sleep study and have sevre sleep apnea. Got on a cpap and wake up 5-6 times a night. Idk if its the machine or something else. I guess maybe its the machine needs to be dialed in. I havent tried cbd will give that a shot.
Juicedhead
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When i first started taking the gh peptides i slept amazing would sleep all night not wake up once. When I switched to actual gh I dont get the same sleep and I did with the peptides. Could also be im so heavy im almost 270lbs.
Sourbuds
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hungryalways
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I also get wrecked sleep from even 1-2 IU HGH, even if taken IM and in the am. I recently discovered I have mild apnea, so I wonder if that was worsening and contributing while on GH.
Just got a CJC/Ipa blend to see if that helps, as I heard some people sleep great on that.
Also, natural (well, TRT) IGF is 250+ ng/mL, so even small HGH doses may be taking me too high.
Just got a CJC/Ipa blend to see if that helps, as I heard some people sleep great on that.
Also, natural (well, TRT) IGF is 250+ ng/mL, so even small HGH doses may be taking me too high.
Ive suffered from chronic insomnia for decades. Tried all the meds. On the third month of daridorexant QUVIVIQ 50mg. Takes about 3 to four weeks to really take hold.
Its been a game changer.
I.would sleep.for.1.5-2hrs a time through out the night and wake ready to go only to realise it was 02:00 etc.
Now wake up once. Piddle and get straight back to sleep. No groggyness.
Getting 5-7 hours straight sleep.per night.
Its been a game changer.
I.would sleep.for.1.5-2hrs a time through out the night and wake ready to go only to realise it was 02:00 etc.
Now wake up once. Piddle and get straight back to sleep. No groggyness.
Getting 5-7 hours straight sleep.per night.
Kralteramon
Member
All of the things said here are true in my opinion and situation dependent. What I found out for myself is:
- Higher androgen load increases side effects
- Higher calories increases igf1 number and side effects
- Trazodone works really well to fall asleep, improve sleep quality and reduce stress, it doesn’t decrease # of awakenings
- Awakenings are either caused by: episodes of sleep apnea (I fixed this with an MRA), especially the ones where you are drenched in sweat. OR increased sympathetic tone, being too wired (avoid coffee and stims, avoid too much protein or fast carbs close to bed) OR increased water turn over/ more frequent peeing (caused by HGH making the kidneys filter more, avoid too much fluids in evening)
- Use a simple snore app to get an idea of potential sleep apnea. It’s free and will give you an indication.
- HGH will increase your heart rate and drop your HRV pretty low, this may be partially an indirect effect of worsened sleep, but also your body processing the FFA’s being liberated. This may also contribute to worse sleep and worse sympathetic tone
- Carpel Tunnel issues are highly personal and depend on the size of your carpel tunnel and propensity to hold water. Building up your dose slowly negates the issue mostly.
- Your IGF1 number is very personal. If your pancreas is doing a good job slinging out insulin, your liver will produce more IGF1, liver health also plays a big role here!
- Blood work will show your individual response. Go by your IGF1 number and dial your dose in based on your personal physiology. If taken just for weight loss this is less relevant but still good to know.
- HGH taken right before bed works best if you need to take it at night
- HGH taken in the morning or during the day can make you tired and sluggish but still unable to take naps
- High IGF1 is what you want to aim for when during a bulk. If used during a cut, splitting doses throughout the day is a better idea because GH itself has a short lived effect. GH will cause fat loss not IGF1.
- Too high IGF1 will cause acromegaly over the long run and may not cause more hyperplasia in your muscles. It will make your organs and face grow more.
- HGH may not give you a net positive effect in your situation.
- more but I need to run now and will try to contribute more later
- Higher androgen load increases side effects
- Higher calories increases igf1 number and side effects
- Trazodone works really well to fall asleep, improve sleep quality and reduce stress, it doesn’t decrease # of awakenings
- Awakenings are either caused by: episodes of sleep apnea (I fixed this with an MRA), especially the ones where you are drenched in sweat. OR increased sympathetic tone, being too wired (avoid coffee and stims, avoid too much protein or fast carbs close to bed) OR increased water turn over/ more frequent peeing (caused by HGH making the kidneys filter more, avoid too much fluids in evening)
- Use a simple snore app to get an idea of potential sleep apnea. It’s free and will give you an indication.
- HGH will increase your heart rate and drop your HRV pretty low, this may be partially an indirect effect of worsened sleep, but also your body processing the FFA’s being liberated. This may also contribute to worse sleep and worse sympathetic tone
- Carpel Tunnel issues are highly personal and depend on the size of your carpel tunnel and propensity to hold water. Building up your dose slowly negates the issue mostly.
- Your IGF1 number is very personal. If your pancreas is doing a good job slinging out insulin, your liver will produce more IGF1, liver health also plays a big role here!
- Blood work will show your individual response. Go by your IGF1 number and dial your dose in based on your personal physiology. If taken just for weight loss this is less relevant but still good to know.
- HGH taken right before bed works best if you need to take it at night
- HGH taken in the morning or during the day can make you tired and sluggish but still unable to take naps
- High IGF1 is what you want to aim for when during a bulk. If used during a cut, splitting doses throughout the day is a better idea because GH itself has a short lived effect. GH will cause fat loss not IGF1.
- Too high IGF1 will cause acromegaly over the long run and may not cause more hyperplasia in your muscles. It will make your organs and face grow more.
- HGH may not give you a net positive effect in your situation.
- more but I need to run now and will try to contribute more later
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SnowyMiami
Member
Same experience here. 2 IU serostim is probably less than my pituitary puts out so sleep is bad and once I get past 6 IU I get freaky dreams. 4 IU works nicely for me long term. OP is likely using UGL GH so its a crapshoot what the dosage really is.
