‘Ghetto style testing’ & question regarding heating Sustanon to determine if the right concentrations of esters are present

[ChevChelios]

So I don’t know this for sure but various people who are a lot more knowledgeable than I am have said stuff along the lines of: if you want to check if a sustanon you buy from a ugl is legit you should try to heat a small amount and there should be a separation as the propionate (I think it’s the prop if I’m not mistaken) has a specific reaction while the others have different boiling points, I’m curious about this as ik that brewing legit sust isn’t as easy as other types of test so this thread is to ask if what these people said is true and if so how are you to tell if it’s not just prop as you don’t have a way in this method to determine the other compounds’ presence through boiling points, ik the best thing is to just get Janoshik to test it n that’s what I plan on doing regardless but in the meantime I’d be curious as to what y’all think n what other ghetto af methods there could be to figure this kinda stuff out (I’m all for proper scientific tests but I enjoy the ghetto af ones too like putting HCG on pregnancy tests etc… so don’t mistake this post as me trying to do stuff the dumb way I’m just genuinely curious as knowledge is power n I’m a chemistry enthusiast ahah

Oh n btw if you have other ghetto ways to test gear (of any type not just this specific blend that I’m talking bout) that you even just anecdotally want to present this is the right thread, ofc analytical lab testing is king but imo the other ways can be useful to know be it for people in a pinch or in general for entertainment purposes

Once again I repeat, ANALYTICAL TESTING IS KING N THE ONLY WAY TO KNOW FOR SURE, this is just a personal curiosity n for mostly entertainment purposes, this is a harm reduction forum n I don’t intend on giving people dumb ideas I’m just curious n stuff could be useful (just like the above stated HCG method for example that you all already know about)

 

[Juicedhead]

Idk about the heating up thing but you can take a shot of it and youll know if it has prop in it. whats the lab?

 

[narta]

Melting point testing is not ghetto. It's difficult to setup for a homebrewer though.

 

[ChevChelios]

Idk about the heating up thing but you can take a shot of it and youll know if it has prop in it. whats the lab?

That’s true (n what I would do/what I plan on doing tbh), this is more of a general curiosity of mine n a post to ask if other compounds have ways of determining stuff that way, not necessarily this specific example, it could be anything, be it the HCG pregnancy test stuff or the way that coke can be kinda finger tested on the spot to check for the oily trace (doesn’t tell you much but it does tell you some basic stuff) or put it in bleach n the way it spirals (that tells you a huge amount of things about it n what the cuts were etc…) yeah sorry I used that shit as an example just cos my chemical expertise is a lot higher with other things (due to past experiences doing idiotic shit, I grew up pretty fkin poor so I’m happy I ain’t gotta do none of that shit to make ends meet anymore, but hey it did get me into chemistry which I still love to this day ahah)

Anyways sorry for the lil derailment, I’m still curious as to if the melting point could be used to detect the rest of the compounds in the blend, ik the prop would be the first to go up then the rest being at different temps I’d have to grab a heat resistant glass n check the temp for each ester that ‘jumps’ out

 

[ChevChelios]

Melting point testing is not ghetto. It's difficult to setup for a homebrewer though.

Yeah I guess I didn’t really use the right terminology but I hope you know what I mean (the HCG one is a great example as it’s pretty accurate on determining if that’s effectively there, ofc dosage doesn’t get calculated n some sketchy source could theoretically keep jars of pregnant woman piss to put inside the HCG to make it pop ahah), ok maybe it’s not the easiest but definitely easier than conducting a GCMS style test or doing the stuff that jano does, plus in the case of the blend I’d imagine you wouldn’t need an insane setup, just knowing the different temperatures that each ester boils at, a heat source/transparent container n thermometer should be enough for that specific case

 

[Juicedhead]

Yeah I guess I didn’t really use the right terminology but I hope you know what I mean (the HCG one is a great example as it’s pretty accurate on determining if that’s effectively there, ofc dosage doesn’t get calculated n some sketchy source could theoretically keep jars of pregnant woman piss to put inside the HCG to make it pop ahah), ok maybe it’s not the easiest but definitely easier than conducting a GCMS style test or doing the stuff that jano does, plus in the case of the blend I’d imagine you wouldn’t need an insane setup, just knowing the different temperatures that each ester boils at, a heat source/transparent container n thermometer should be enough for that specific case

idk if he has it but i know dave polumbo has a testing kit that will tell you if it has the substance in it. (not the amount) but not sure if he has one for sustanon. Id bet you most ugl sustanon is mostly going to be test p and a longer test ester.

 

[ChevChelios]

idk if he has it but i know dave polumbo has a testing kit that will tell you if it has the substance in it. (not the amount) but not sure if he has one for sustanon. Id bet you most ugl sustanon is mostly going to be test p and a longer test ester.

Word that’s sumn useful to know, tbh if I was to pay for testing I’d get Janoshik to do it but good to know there’s other options too. N yeah I’d assume most sustanon blends would be like you said but the specific one I’m talking bout did get tested recently n seemed to be right on point maybe a bit overdosed but it had all the right esters in the right ratios so unless they changed their methods I’m hoping it’s gonna be similar (n regardless I’m more of a classic ester guy so I usually stick to the basics regardless, but always been interested in sustanon so will let y’all know how they all are)

 

[narta]

Yeah I guess I didn’t really use the right terminology but I hope you know what I mean (the HCG one is a great example as it’s pretty accurate on determining if that’s effectively there, ofc dosage doesn’t get calculated n some sketchy source could theoretically keep jars of pregnant woman piss to put inside the HCG to make it pop ahah), ok maybe it’s not the easiest but definitely easier than conducting a GCMS style test or doing the stuff that jano does, plus in the case of the blend I’d imagine you wouldn’t need an insane setup, just knowing the different temperatures that each ester boils at, a heat source/transparent container n thermometer should be enough for that specific case

Mp testing (proper) isn't just heating a raw in direct heat source and putting a thermometer in. That's where the "it's difficult for a homebrewer to setup" remark comes from.

 

[ChevChelios]

Mp testing (proper) isn't just heating a raw in direct heat source and putting a thermometer in. That's where the "it's difficult for a homebrewer to setup" remark comes from.

Fair enough n you’re right, but I’m not talking about heating a raw as that would just burn it, I meant throwing a certain amt of the blend into a beaker or some similar heat resistant glass with a thermometer in it (or one of em precise heating things that tell you the current temp in the beaker) then looking at what goes up first (having the respective ester temps on hand to check if something goes up when it shouldn’t n if not if they all boil at their respective temps you know the blend ain’t just prop n undecanoate). I’m not sure if this is 100% effective but various people ik n other people I don’t know but who are pretty knowledgeable told me it’s a good way of finding out if it at least contains the stuff it says, the quantity is another story ofc ahah but unless I’m missing something it should be pretty doable without needing an extensive setup

 

[CoachCabo]

It is impossible to melt point test any blended raws like Sustenon.
Trying to melt point test something without the proper device is going to be pretty hard since the certifying factor of compound is a melt point within 2-3 degrees C.
IIRC, oxandrolone melts around 235c or so. It would be pretty hard to melt something at a temperature this high, let alone have a thermometer accurate to this degree.
A person who home brews could buy something like this on eBay cheap enough. Beware, this one and others on auction are missing the optic (loupe) that goes in the hole on top, which allows you to see the actual melting point within the capillary tube. One could, however, buy one of these and use one of those cheap Chinese digital microscopes, mount in the hole and watch the melting on a computer.
Even if you could melt test Sustenon, you wouldn't be able to distinguish the ratio of esters.

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[ChevChelios]

It is impossible to melt point test any blended raws like Sustenon.
Trying to melt point test something without the proper device is going to be pretty hard since the certifying factor of compound is a melt point within 2-3 degrees C.
IIRC, oxandrolone melts around 235c or so. It would be pretty hard to melt something at a temperature this high, let alone have a thermometer accurate to this degree.
A person who home brews could buy something like this on eBay cheap enough. Beware, this one and others on auction are missing the optic (loupe) that goes in the hole on top, which allows you to see the actual melting point within the capillary tube. One could, however, buy one of these and use one of those cheap Chinese digital microscopes, mount in the hole and watch the melting on a computer.
Even if you could melt test Sustenon, you wouldn't be able to distinguish the ratio of esters.

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Nice, why would it not work though as you would see the stuff fizzle out in order (in theory at least) ofc it’s ghetto af n not really ideal or very precise, but it makes sense at least in theory, sorry for the dumb question I’m just genuinely curious that’s why I’m asking as prop is around 419 phenyl is 497 n undecanoate is 550 so if one has an appropriate amount of heat and a thermometer that can stand that level of heat one could technically just look at what boils when (I’m talking bout pulling out a certain amt of the blend that is already in the carrier oil not raws btw)

 

[narta]

Too much trouble. Send to jano. mp is usefull if you want to do a quick test to determine the raw that you ordered. It doesnt determine purity which is also crucial

 

[CoachCabo]

Nice, why would it not work though as you would see the stuff fizzle out in order (in theory at least) ofc it’s ghetto af n not really ideal or very precise, but it makes sense at least in theory, sorry for the dumb question I’m just genuinely curious that’s why I’m asking as prop is around 419 phenyl is 497 n undecanoate is 550 so if one has an appropriate amount of heat and a thermometer that can stand that level of heat one could technically just look at what boils when (I’m talking bout pulling out a certain amt of the blend that is already in the carrier oil not raws btw)

Nothing about that would work. You are not taking into account the smoke point f the carrier oils or solvents.

Too much trouble. Send to jano. mp is usefull if you want to do a quick test to determine the raw that you ordered. It doesnt determine purity which is also crucial

I agree. MP is useful when it is an expensive raw like flouxymesterone or methenolone. But things like the latter are easily distinguishable. A brewer will know the difference between oxandrolone and methandeinone by sight. The chick using the end product "Anavar" would do well by sending it off to Jano.

I bought two Stuarts like the one in the auction for under $100 (one missing the optic). It is worth it to melt point test my stuff. But for peace of mind and a reference, I send finished stuff off to Jano for testing.
It all depends on how into the process and end product you are.

 

[ChevChelios]

Too much trouble. Send to jano. mp is usefull if you want to do a quick test to determine the raw that you ordered. It doesnt determine purity which is also crucial

Yeah jano is the best bet in general, but the point of this whole thread is just various methods for determining ’kinda’ what is in your stuff so don’t just assume it’s me asking bout this sustanon example that’s just something I was told n was curious bout but ik the only n best way is Janoshik n will definitely do so, but yeah being a guerrilla chemistry enthusiast if y’all have any other random ghetto testing tips lmk it’s an interesting topic for me either way I appreciate the feedback brotha!

 

[ChevChelios]

Nothing about that would work. You are not taking into account the smoke point f the carrier oils or solvents.

I agree. MP is useful when it is an expensive raw like flouxymesterone or methenolone. But things like the latter are easily distinguishable. A brewer will know the difference between oxandrolone and methandeinone by sight. The chick using the end product "Anavar" would do well by sending it off to Jano.

I bought two Stuarts like the one in the auction for under $100 (one missing the optic). It is worth it to melt point test my stuff. But for peace of mind and a reference, I send finished stuff off to Jano for testing.
It all depends on how into the process and end product you are.

Oh shit I totally didn’t think bout the oils goin crazy at em temperatures bro sorry I’m an idiot ahah thanks for the input mane n yeah if you have any specific tips that are similar to the HCG pregnancy test thing or certain tastes of certain orals etc… I’m more than happy to learn some more as these things are useful n yeah I’m not involved in the process in this specific case but wanting to brew in the future n being very interested in the chemistry part I’m definitely going to be a lot more involved in the future (I was in the past but wasn’t actually using what we made so it doesn’t count as that was for totally different reasons n mostly for money n due to certain people I knew)