Goodlyfe HGH 4 IU+ 500mg metformin SR

[Rido]

Jumping off topic a bit here. I usually take hgh before bed, hoping it could aid in deeper sleep. Is it a big deal if I take it in the afternoon instead? Im sorta experimenting to reduce sides and taking it before bed seems to make me groggy in the morning, not good for work performance!

How much are you taking? I don't feel groggy at all

 

[hghlover]

How much are you taking? I don't feel groggy at all

4 iu meditrope

 

[malfeasance]

I always think people may attack me about not having a structured diet but it fits my lifestyle.
Unless my gains are being inhibited or I am looking at a contest I do not plan on doing so.

I am only on Cycle one so I can get away with it now.... but the next ones will be a different story.

I have the extreme opposite opinion from you. You only get one first cycle. Most guys will tell you the first cycle is the best one. Especially if you were at or near your natty potential. Every cycle after that you will be trying harder for less gains compared to cycle number one.

So make the most of it. Do your best. Structure your diet with clean foods, 5-6 meals daily, on a schedule. Eggs and oats in the morning, chicken and rice 4-5 times after that, or something very close to that, substituting beef or fish for chicken sometimes or potatoes or sweet potatoes for rice sometimes. Add a spinach salad a couple times a day. I did that and made my own salad dressing to be sure I knew what was in it and not getting vegetable oil and sugar (which is what store bought brands are made out of).

While my approach was extreme, I went from looking like your typical natty guy in the gym to looking like a muscular Greek statue in one cycle. I gained 26 pounds and got leaner. When the water fell off after the cycle, I looked chiseled, and this was at a heavier weight, not after a cut.

12 week cycle on testosterone only can work wonders if you are more dedicated about some of the things that really matter. And DIET matters. It is the number one thing overlooked by folks who are unhappy with their results. Of course, they blame genetics rather than their own lack of discipline.

Diet matters a lot in your results. I would say it is just as important as actually doing the steroids.

Half assed diet = half assed results.

Who wants to shut themselves down but get only half the results they could have gotten? Not me.

Just my two cents, Cridi887 . . . worth what you paid for it and nothing more.

 

[Rido]

I have the extreme opposite opinion from you. You only get one first cycle. Most guys will tell you the first cycle is the best one. Especially if you were at or near your natty potential. Every cycle after that you will be trying harder for less gains compared to cycle number one.

So make the most of it. Do your best. Structure your diet with clean foods, 5-6 meals daily, on a schedule. Eggs and oats in the morning, chicken and rice 4-5 times after that, or something very close to that, substituting beef or fish for chicken sometimes or potatoes or sweet potatoes for rice sometimes. Add a spinach salad a couple times a day. I did that and made my own salad dressing to be sure I knew what was in it and not getting vegetable oil and sugar (which is what store bought brands are made out of).

While my approach was extreme, I went from looking like your typical natty guy in the gym to looking like a muscular Greek statue in one cycle. I gained 26 pounds and got leaner. When the water fell off after the cycle, I looked chiseled, and this was at a heavier weight, not after a cut.

12 week cycle on testosterone only can work wonders if you are more dedicated about some of the things that really matter. And DIET matters. It is the number one thing overlooked by folks who are unhappy with their results. Of course, they blame genetics rather than their own lack of discipline.

Diet matters a lot in your results. I would say it is just as important as actually doing the steroids.

Half assed diet = half assed results.

Who wants to shut themselves down but get only half the results they could have gotten? Not me.

Just my two cents, Cridi887 . . . worth what you paid for it and nothing more.

you wouldn't compare cycle one to newbie gains 2.0 where you pretty much have a new "enhanced genetic limit?"

I'm not saying diet doesn't matter. You can't buid a barn without wood and nails. Just that what I am doing is working for me. I have put on atleast 14 lbs since the start and stayed fairly dry this whole time. If I'm retaining water it is intramuscul

You also have guys like Kali muscle who put on size and rest like shit(then wind up with a heart attack). Definitely not a role model.

Are you married? My wife and I enjoy our normal dinners together and it is a special time of our relationship. I do not drink as much anymore since starting TRT. That being said I really avoid alcohol at all on cycle. On enough stuff that is hard on my body. When the time comes and my gains are limited from diet, and especially if I plan to hit the stage. I will most definitely go structured.

I also do not plan on ever being "natty". I'll go back to TRT. My quality of life shot up. Prior to that I was having roid rage without the roids.

 

[Isrrike]

Doesn’t metformin lower igf scores?

 

[B Ware]

He said his baseline is 234.
He scored 312 off 4iu/split dose
312 divided by 4 = 78 per iu

Most people say the body produces roughly the equivalent of 2iu per day naturally. 2iu X 78 =156 igf naturally.
He produces 234 naturally so that is closer to 3iu. 3iu x 78 = 234

So adding 1iu on top of his natural production would equal 234 + 78 =312.

 

[Rido]

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So I see different things. doesnt exogenous HGH replace exogenous production? To be quite frank. I was wondering why my symptoms werent as exacerbated as other people for jumping to 4 at the start.

Again this is only 3 weeks in to the same consistent dose(4 weeks total) and I am still learning.

Doesn’t metformin lower igf scores?

hGH + Metformin: A Good Thing (Metformin does not lower, but rather increases IGF-1)

hGH + Metformin: A Good Thing. (Metformin does not lower, but rather increases IGF-1) by Type-IIx (Apr. 2021) Does Metformin reduce IGF-1 levels? No, Metformin actually increases IGF-1 levels in adults. This data comes from The influence of metformin on IGF-1 levels in humans: A...

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[B Ware]

I did this as it was a minimum requirement for a free kit

What’s this about?

So I see different things. doesnt exogenous HGH replace exogenous production? To be quite frank. I was wondering why my symptoms werent as exacerbated as other people for jumping to 4 at the start.

Again this is only 3 weeks in to the same consistent dose(4 weeks total) and I am still learning.

hGH + Metformin: A Good Thing (Metformin does not lower, but rather increases IGF-1)

hGH + Metformin: A Good Thing. (Metformin does not lower, but rather increases IGF-1) by Type-IIx (Apr. 2021) Does Metformin reduce IGF-1 levels? No, Metformin actually increases IGF-1 levels in adults. This data comes from The influence of metformin on IGF-1 levels in humans: A...

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As other have stated, there are to many variables that effect igf1. More data is needed to get a better understanding of why you scored where you did and even then there are still factors that could skew things. I know where I would test on 4iu split but that’s because I have plenty of data on myself (igf1 test results) and I don’t really deviate from what from what I previously did.

3 weeks is plenty to test. I once tested just sly of two weeks and was pleased with my results. I wouldn’t suggest that as I may of scored a bit higher had I waited a few more days.


As far as metformin lowing/Increasing igf1, there are controversies. Some say it lowers igf1 while others say the opposite. I switch from metformin to berberine and my test results have nearly been the same on both. I try to take everything I read on the forums with a grain of salt and collect my own data through my blood work. In case you haven’t noticed there are a lot of idiots here.

In conclusion, can’t really say your results are good or bad without seeing previous results on a similar dose/schedule imo. Members test all over. Some are poor responders, non-responders, normal responders (what most score) and then there is Mighty Mouse

 

[Rido]

What’s this about?




As other have stated, there are to many variables that effect igf1. More data is needed to get a better understanding of why you scored where you did and even then there are still factors that could skew things. I know where I would test on 4iu split but that’s because I have plenty of data on myself (igf1 test results) and I don’t really deviate from what from what I previously did.

3 weeks is plenty to test. I once tested just sly of two weeks and was pleased with my results. I wouldn’t suggest that as I may of scored a bit higher had I waited a few more days.


As far as metformin lowing/Increasing igf1, there are controversies. Some say it lowers igf1 while others say the opposite. I switch from metformin to berberine and my test results have nearly been the same on both. I try to take everything I read on the forums with a grain of salt and collect my own data through my blood work. In case you haven’t noticed there are a lot of idiots here.

In conclusion, can’t really say your results are good or bad without seeing previous results on a similar dose/schedule imo. Members test all over. Some are poor responders, non-responders, normal responders (what most score) and then there is Mighty Mouse

I appreciate the input! I genuinely do. I am not upset over these labs or bothered. I am not getting any real negative symptoms minus slight CTS. I had symptoms before that subsided. I'll recheck in a couple of weeks to see if there is any change.

 

[B Ware]

doesnt exogenous HGH replace exogenous production?

This is tricky imo. Going off of the common perception that per every 1iu = 100igf1 then yes you’d have to believe that your system is shut down. But then there are those who say they don’t take their dose at night as night time is when your body is producing.

Guess to answer this we would need someone to take a natty igf1 test and let’s say their results were 200igf1. Then they would need to take just 1iu and if that only = a score of around 100igf1 then absolutely taking growth shuts you down the same as taking testosterone.

My thoughts, it shuts you down but it’s hard for me to say for sure. Maybe there is a little production still happening? As my post above tho,, more data is needed. Maybe it’s around here somewhere and already posted?

 

[malfeasance]

In conclusion, can’t really say your results are good or bad without seeing previous results on a similar dose/schedule imo. Members test all over. Some are poor responders, non-responders, normal responders (what most score) and then there is Mighty Mouse

@Mighty-mouse hasn't been around in a while . . .

 

[Shivathedestroyer]

For what it’s worth 4iu puts me around the 300 range using a different sources gh, never used GL.

 

[Bigdiddy]

Is that ideal for you 300?

 

[Rido]

Is that ideal for you 300?

No thoughts. I wanted it for hypertrophy, enhanced healing, and fat loss. 4iu was a good starter point for me. As I do not have much side effects. I ramped it up to 5 for a week. I will then move it up to 6 and see how it's going. I'll do 2iu am, 2iu post, and 2iu bedtime.


I found myself needing to do my morning shot at 3am cause I couldn't sleep for shit

 

[malfeasance]

I ramped it up to 5 for a week. I will then move it up to 6 and see how it's going. I'll do 2iu am, 2iu post, and 2iu bedtime.

Are you going to test IGF-1 again later?

 

[Rido]

Are you going to test IGF-1 again later?

Most definitely. I am thinking on the 14th. My wife needs to get blood work so I'll get her to test her igf1 as well.

 

[g-protein]

Ok. I asked because when in contest prep, low calories, my IGF-1 dropped all the way down to 54. I don't remember my hgh dose right now (I can probably find it) but I think it was either 4 or 5 iu daily.

The same hgh at the same dose scored 345 a few weeks after the contest when I was eating everything in sight.

So, yeah, I believe diet affects IGF-1. I would say that is only an experiment of one, but I have had other competitors who tested during a contest prep tell me the same thing happened to them, so I tend to think that diet can greatly influence IGF-1.

Going off memory at the time my natty IGF-1 was 220 or so.


In my ignorance I kind of went after the source . . . I felt badly about that after the same hgh scored much higher after the contest. I publicly posted the results in the same source's forum to undo any damage I might have done if possible.

Growth hormone resistance is actually a well documented phenomenom in anorexia nervosa i.e. starving. Basically what happens is that patients suffering from anorexia nervosa for some reason tend to have higher growth hormone secretion than healthy individuals, but the effect of growth hormone in tissues is drastically weakened. This leads to lower IGF-1 conversion, since the liver does not respond as well to growth hormone as it normally would. Very interesting to see how low your IGF-1 got during prep, as ever since I read the studies on anorexia nervosa causing HGH resistance I have wondered how drastically a contest prep would affect one's IGF-1 levels. I've also been wondering if using HGH during a prep is kinda a waste due to this phenomenom. Maybe someone with more knowledge can chime in. Anyways, thank you very much for sharing your experience!

 

[malfeasance]

Just to be clear, I was not anorexic, but I was starving!



Came in shredded. I dropped another 12 pounds after my posing coach told me I was already ready. That 12 pounds made all the difference in the world to my appearance. Nobody else on stage stood a chance.

 

[malfeasance]

Starving on roughly two pounds of meat a day, plus egg whites, some carbs, and fats . . . all strictly measured except one trip to 5 guys three weeks out when I was dropping weight too quickly (and that was the best tasting meal ever, I thought at the time). I started backing off cardio some at that point, too, which helped slow down the weight loss to bring me in where I wanted to be on schedule.

 

[Rido]

No thoughts. I wanted it for hypertrophy, enhanced healing, and fat loss. 4iu was a good starter point for me. As I do not have much side effects. I ramped it up to 5 for a week. I will then move it up to 6 and see how it's going. I'll do 2iu am, 2iu post, and 2iu bedtime.


I found myself needing to do my morning shot at 3am cause I couldn't sleep for shit

I know I said I was gonna do 6... but I wound up saying fuck it because I do not have many symptoms.

I went up to 7.2 IU/day because I put 1ml in the 12 unit vial....
0.2ml(2.4 units) 3 times a day.

mild intermittent numbness in my ring/pink. VERY MILD, no pain. no extreme grogginess. Next lab work is still targetted for monday, along with my wife who is on 1 unit of HGH day