Got Gyno Removed Today!

[gear shef]

UPDATE: 32Hrs Post Op

Soreness has went from a 3/10 this morning to a 5.5/10. Left side is the main culprit. Swelling has increased slightly. Feeling tired physically, assuming it’s my body trying to repair the damage...not enjoying not being able to do what I want to do

 

[gear shef]

Will post some pics tomorrow of the 48hrs post op. Hopefully swelling calms down. This morning is looked amazing but the increase in swelling over the last 8hrs has almost increased the appearance to its original state

 

[Evom1]

Will post some pics tomorrow of the 48hrs post op. Hopefully swelling calms down. This morning is looked amazing but the increase in swelling over the last 8hrs has almost increased the appearance to its original state

Are you supposed to be taking the compression off? I'd imagine not

 

[gear shef]

Are you supposed to be taking the compression off? I'd imagine not

He said I didn’t need compression but I’m using one anyway. My buddy had his done with this guy about 4 months ago and wore no compression at all post op. I’m doing it tho cause I’m overly cautious. Although I have taken it off only briefly.

 

[gear shef]

UPDATE:48hrs Post Op

Still swollen. Nothing crazy. Seems fluid has simply displaced the area in which the gland was. That being said the appearance to me is already so much better. Especially the side profile. I wish I had a before of the side profile to compare because that looked pointy and like 13 year old breasts.

My nipples are already significantly less puffy even with the swelling present.

Range of motion is already getting better today. Pain down to 4/10

 

[Inquiring Mind]

Glad your doing well and able to keep us update. Wow, not a single mark that’s visible. Awesome.

 

[gear shef]

Glad your doing well and able to keep us update. Wow, not a single mark that’s visible. Awesome.

For sure man. Just trying to document for others who may have a similar case and could use this as a time line reference. I intend on daily updates until I feel it’s fully healed and is at least 90% to the final result.

Yea this surgeon did a great job no doubt. I really can’t wait till there is no swelling so I can see my new chest. I think he may have left a small amount of gland behind on the left side but to early to tell

 

[Inquiring Mind]

That was going to be my next question regarding any left over gland tissue. How do you suspect? You feel it or you think you see some evidence of it?

 

[gear shef]

That was going to be my next question regarding any left over gland tissue. How do you suspect? You feel it or you think you see some evidence of it?

I think I feel it where the "tail" of the gyno was on the left side. But very hard to tell. On my left side I could feel the tail end reaching out to the left armpit area prior to operation. I made a little diagram and attached it for your reference. I feel like there may be a small amount on the outer tail not removed. Which is no big deal to me..just worth noting

 

[gear shef]

UPDATE: 72hrs post op

Don’t think swelling has changed at all. Everything is about the same as yesterday. Will say that range of motion is pretty much fully back in both arms.

Also I can not feel my left nipple at all.

 

[Necessary Evil]

This is probably the mildest case of gyno I have ever seen. Regardless congratulations on your surgery, hope everything rolls perfectly from now on and hope for a speedy recovery.

Now, what would you recommend for someone trying to be safeguarded from gyno? It's what terrifies me the most [and also hair loss] regarding AAS usage. In my previous cycle, I did not run into any problems and my E2 was on point, I'm just asking what would you have on hand in case you feel and see something from the beginning. Many say just Nolvadex and Ralox, I'm wondering what a general protocol dosage for those compounds be in case gyno begins to appear.

 

[Inquiring Mind]

I think I feel it where the "tail" of the gyno was on the left side. But very hard to tell. On my left side I could feel the tail end reaching out to the left armpit area prior to operation. I made a little diagram and attached it for your reference. I feel like there may be a small amount on the outer tail not removed. Which is no big deal to me..just worth noting

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Thanks for the feedback, and I appreciate the diagram. Let me ask you, prior to the surgery, aside for itchy nips, what pains did you experience. I believe you already spoke on this, but I was wondering if it was pain associated to touch or just there in it’s iwnZ

I feel like after my last bask a few months back that I have developed what felt like as small pimple size bump under the “head”. It kinda hurts when touched. And it’s a hard little pebble. Does this sound like the makings of gyno?

Also, I’m prone to having cysts. But this feels different. What’s you opinion if you will?

 

[gear shef]

This is probably the mildest case of gyno I have ever seen. Regardless congratulations on your surgery, hope everything rolls perfectly from now on and hope for a speedy recovery.

Now, what would you recommend for someone trying to be safeguarded from gyno? It's what terrifies me the most [and also hair loss] regarding AAS usage. In my previous cycle, I did not run into any problems and my E2 was on point, I'm just asking what would you have on hand in case you feel and see something from the beginning. Many say just Nolvadex and Ralox, I'm wondering what a general protocol dosage for those compounds be in case gyno begins to appear.

For prevention:

1) IMO estrogen control is key. Literally nothing else matters as long as this is kept in the low-mid range of normal, verified through blood work of coarse. Prolactin and progesterone will auto regulate as long as estrogen is kept in check. Estrogen is what makes the gland grow, not the others. The moment you exceed the high end of normal and go past that range is when problems can arise.

2) keeping fat down. Dont get to fat. This goes in line with the first point but its highly documented that more body fat = more estrogen.

For reversal:

Once is is a hard fibrous mass your fucked. If it has exceeded the size of a quarter it will always be there. You can shrink it but it can come back everytime estrogen is elevated. You will never magically dissolve the gland. It is a waist of time, money and health to run all these compounds.

However, in the case where symptoms suddenly arise this can deffinately be taken care of if done right away. Id suggest using tamoxifen (pharma quality nothing less) at 40mg a day until symptoms are gone. Do this while simultaneously using an AI.

*The problem with only using a SERM is that when you discontinue the SERM it has only been blocking the receptor but your still aromatizing estrogen. So once you stop the SERM and the receptor sites are open all the circulating estrogen floods the sites all over again. Hence, gyno rebound after post cycle therapy.

 

[gear shef]

This is probably the mildest case of gyno I have ever seen. Regardless congratulations on your surgery, hope everything rolls perfectly from now on and hope for a speedy recovery.

Now, what would you recommend for someone trying to be safeguarded from gyno? It's what terrifies me the most [and also hair loss] regarding AAS usage. In my previous cycle, I did not run into any problems and my E2 was on point, I'm just asking what would you have on hand in case you feel and see something from the beginning. Many say just Nolvadex and Ralox, I'm wondering what a general protocol dosage for those compounds be in case gyno begins to appear.

As far as a general protocol:

-Adex 1mg on M/W/F
-Tamox at 40mg/ED till symptoms are completely gone
-Continue AI at neeeded dosage to control estrogen (verified through bloods)

 

[gear shef]

Thanks for the feedback, and I appreciate the diagram. Let me ask you, prior to the surgery, aside for itchy nips, what pains did you experience. I believe you already spoke on this, but I was wondering if it was pain associated to touch or just there in it’s iwnZ

I feel like after my last bask a few months back that I have developed what felt like as small pimple size bump under the “head”. It kinda hurts when touched. And it’s a hard little pebble. Does this sound like the makings of gyno?

Also, I’m prone to having cysts. But this feels different. What’s you opinion if you will?

Sounds like gyno to me. Mine started the same, size of a pea. Grew due to poor estrogen control. At times it was growing / inflammed it was painful when squeezed.

But just cuz you have some gland doesnt mean you need surgery. As long as its not ugly to you asthetically leave it there. Just make sure you control that estrogen in future cycles

 

[Necessary Evil]

@gear shef . Thanks for your informative posts. Right now I'm on the higher BF % since I come up from a 9-month break of consistent nutrition and training due to real life obligations. I'm thinking of starting the cycle in 2-3 month time until then I will try and cut down some fat [Currently I'm in a caloric maintenance and later planning an aggressive minicut]. Do you think that being higher in BF% plays such a big role on E2? I have heard that there isn't any actual evidence regarding it and most of it was anecdotal. If that is true, running a higher AI dosage to maybe mitigate the problem wouldn't be a solid solution? I'm mainly talking about the period before doing actual bloodwork [in the initial stages of the cycle] to see the E2 levels. I'm saying that because I want to be proactive. Not cool to wait 4 weeks with possible elevated E2 and then get gyno.

 

[gear shef]

@gear shef . Thanks for your informative posts. Right now I'm on the higher BF % since I come up from a 9-month break of consistent nutrition and training due to real life obligations. I'm thinking of starting the cycle in 2-3 month time until then I will try and cut down some fat [Currently I'm in a caloric maintenance and later planning an aggressive minicut]. Do you think that being higher in BF% plays such a big role on E2? I have heard that there isn't any actual evidence regarding it and most of it was anecdotal. If that is true, running a higher AI dosage to maybe mitigate the problem wouldn't be a solid solution? I'm mainly talking about the period before doing actual bloodwork [in the initial stages of the cycle] to see the E2 levels. I'm saying that because I want to be proactive. Not cool to wait 4 weeks with possible elevated E2 and then get gyno.

I agree with you on the relationship between estrogen and bf. But we can’t ignore the apparent association. For that reason as an insurance policy keep it down.

I also understand your concern for estrogen control during time between bloods and not wanting to simply guess. But this is going to be different for everyone and very dependent on the compounds used at what ever dosages.

My general rule of thumb is adex 1mg on Mon & Thur. For heavier aromatizing cycles 1mg M/W/F. That and have 30 days of tamox on hand at all times just in case.

 

[Necessary Evil]

My general rule of thumb is adex 1mg on Mon & Thur. For heavier aromatizing cycles 1mg M/W/F. That and have 30 days of tamox on hand at all times just in case.

Gotcha. Any reason why you are opting for Arimidex instead of Aromasin? From what I have heard asin kills the enzyme instead of binding like adex, on top of that and because of that, estrogen rebound isn't supposed to happen when on asin, unlike adex if you discontinue it. Did you experience better E2 control with it? Were you not responding well to asin?

 

[gear shef]

Gotcha. Any reason why you are opting for Arimidex instead of Aromasin? From what I have heard asin kills the enzyme instead of binding like adex, on top of that and because of that, estrogen rebound isn't supposed to happen when on asin, unlike adex if you discontinue it. Did you experience better E2 control with it? Were you not responding well to asin?

Ive never used any other AI

I get prescribed adex so its readily available to me and more than enough. adex is tried and true through the TRT and anti aging community as well. Just cause something is exotic doesnt mean its better (letro, asin..).

To be honest I dont know the differences in each, nor do I really care. My goal is to control estrogen and to keep it in a respectable level. To feel good, have good sexual performace, and keep estrogen sides at bay (acne and gyno mainly). Adex has always been more than enough. Im not trying to obliterate estrogen

estrogen rebound to my knowledge or more so a case in SERM use not AI. Just my experience

 

[gear shef]

more specifically SERM use without AI