Gyno worsen if estrogen normal?

[Theworm]

I'm on trt at a low dose and my estrogen was within normal limits. I know estradiol should have been checked.
But if estrogen is normal range can
1. Estradiol still be high?
2. Can gyno worsen?

 

[mr wednesday]

Checked prolactin?

 

[Theworm]

Checked prolactin?

Yes, normal

 

[Test_Subject]

if estrogen is normal range can
1. Estradiol still be high?

Is this a serious question?

If 1 is less than 2, can 1 be greater than 2?

 

[fldoms980]

Are we talking actual gyno or just puffy nipples? If the latter, take a cold shower and report back

 

[Theworm]

Is this a serious question?

If 1 is less than 2, can 1 be greater than 2?

How's it not a serious question.

Theoretically estrogen can be normal yet still have a high estradiol. Just seeing if this has ever happened?

Learning lesson for test subject:

Estradiol +Estriol + estrone = total estrogen level

 

[master.on]

I'm on trt at a low dose and my estrogen was within normal limits. I know estradiol should have been checked.
But if estrogen is normal range can
1. Estradiol still be high?
2. Can gyno worsen?

How's it not a serious question.

Theoretically estrogen can be normal yet still have a high estradiol. Just seeing if this has ever happened?

Learning lesson for test subject:

Estradiol +Estriol + estrone = total estrogen level

Estradiol is the main natural Estrogen in males. Usually the only one screened for in blood tests.
It would be rare but still possible to have high Estriol or Estrone with normal Estradiol.

Typically gyno lags Estrogen
If you had high Estrogen in the past, gyno can continue to worsen for some time, despite normal Estrogen levels at this time.

 

[Theworm]

Is this a serious question?

If 1 is less than 2, can 1 be greater than 2?

General advice. If you have no knowledge of the subject matter in question (i.e. Estrogen vs estradiol) PLEASE don't post your opinion.

 

[zinergy]

Is there any actual evidence that shows estrogen causes gyno?

 

[mr wednesday]

Estradiol is the main natural Estrogen in males. Usually the only one screened for in blood tests.
It would be rare but still possible to have high Estriol or Estrone with normal Estradiol.

Typically gyno lags Estrogen
If you had high Estrogen in the past, gyno can continue to worsen for some time, despite normal Estrogen levels at this time.

In human language:
The key should be the ratio estrogen-androgen (like dhea /dht) (may also prolactin-androgen ratio?) and not level of estro alone. So if your estro lvl is ok and your andro lvl in norm. but for this estro level the andro lvl is toooo low = titty risk...

 

[ThE SiCkNeSs]

Is there any actual evidence that shows estrogen causes gyno?

Is this a serious question? Yes, there is. Have you ever seen a woman?

 

[zinergy]

Is this a serious question? Yes, there is. Have you ever seen a woman?

Yes seriously, are there any studies showing elevated levels of estrogen in men leads to gyno?

No shit have I seen a woman...

 

[ThE SiCkNeSs]

Yes seriously, are there any studies showing elevated levels of estrogen in men leads to gyno?

No shit have I seen a woman...

Google "causes of gynecomastia" there's hundreds. Its factual science, not broscience. Also there's millions of transgender men who take estrogen and grow tits on purpose. Here's one just for you buddy

 

[Test_Subject]

General advice. If you have no knowledge of the subject matter in question (i.e. Estrogen vs estradiol) PLEASE don't post your opinion.

Estradiol (E2) is the hormone responsible for breast growth.

Shut your fuck-hole.

 

[zinergy]

Google "causes of gynecomastia" there's hundreds. Its factual science, not broscience. Also there's millions of transgender men who take estrogen and grow tits on purpose. Here's one just for you buddy

It's one thing to show me a video of someone undergoing HRT and say here's proof, yeah thanks.

I'm asking from a scientific stand point what is it that causes the gyno, or breast growth via some studies or published literature.

Exactly what cocktail of hormones do it. Because it isn't uncommon when people have checked estrogen levels and they are within normal range yet they still have gyno symptoms. Same goes for people who have tested and have high estrogen with no apparent symptoms.

 

[ThE SiCkNeSs]

It's one thing to show me a video of someone undergoing HRT and say here's proof, yeah thanks.

I'm asking from a scientific stand point what is it that causes the gyno, or breast growth via some studies or published literature.

Exactly what cocktail of hormones do it. Because it isn't uncommon when people have checked estrogen levels and they are within normal range yet they still have gyno symptoms. Same goes for people who have tested and have high estrogen with no apparent symptoms.

Google is your friend

Gynecomastia: Pathophysiology, Evaluation, and Management

Symptoms and causes - Mayo Clinic

Gynecomastia in Adolescent Males

Here's three studies out of hundreds. You've been spoon fed. Please read them. You will learn something.

 

[Theworm]

Estradiol (E2) is the hormone responsible for breast growth.

Shut your fuck-hole.

Well done, you know one thing. But that wasn't the question.

Like saying how much does the moon weigh? And your response is the moon is bright at night. While it may be true, has nothing to do with the question.

Let me ask you this since you know it all. Are you saying estrogen doesn't cause breast growth? (I know the answer, just checking ur knowledge)

 

[zinergy]

Google is your friend

Gynecomastia: Pathophysiology, Evaluation, and Management

Symptoms and causes - Mayo Clinic

Gynecomastia in Adolescent Males

Here's three studies out of hundreds. You've been spoon fed. Please read them. You will learn something.

Maybe you should read the articles you posted....
This one states that the causes are not known, and in a study participants with gynocomastia were compared to those without gynocomastia during a 3 year period, there was no signifacnt difference in serum estradiol, testosterone, estrogen/testosterone ratio.

Take your feeding and shove it up your ass.

The etiology of gynecomastia remains unclear. Most cases of gynecomastia are thought to result from an imbalance between estrogens and androgens.1,11 However, in pubertal gynecomastia, the majority of adolescents have normal estrogen levels, although several studies have demonstrated elevated levels in some patients.12,13,14 Pubertal gynecomastia is thought to be a physiological phenomenon, and is most commonly seen in midpuberty with Tanner stage 3–4 pubic hair and testicular volumes of 5 to 10 mL bilaterally.3 In a 3-year longitudinal study of hormonal changes during puberty, study participants with and without gynecomastia were compared.15 No association was found with race, and no significant difference was found in serum estradiol, testosterone, estrogen/testosterone ratio, or dehydroepiandrosterone-sulfate levels.15

Gynecomastia in Adolescent Males

 

[master.on]

In human language:
The key should be the ratio estrogen-androgen (like dhea /dht) (may also prolactin-androgen ratio?) and not level of estro alone. So if your estro lvl is ok and your andro lvl in norm. but for this estro level the andro lvl is toooo low = titty risk...

Estradiol is the main cause

Testosterone opposes Estradiol a little bit
so, for the same Estradiol level a LOW Testosterone condition worsens gyno risk.

 

[ThE SiCkNeSs]

Maybe you should read the articles you posted....
This one states that the causes are not known, and in a study participants with gynocomastia were compared to those without gynocomastia during a 3 year period, there was no signifacnt difference in serum estradiol, testosterone, estrogen/testosterone ratio.

Take your feeding and shove it up your ass.



Gynecomastia in Adolescent Males

You are correct, in that study it shows there happens to be other factors that can cause gynecomastia. I was quickly copying some links for your dumbass who has yet to figure out google. I will admit there definitely are some other possible causes of gynecomastia, which the other studies I posted also seem to mention, but they still ALL say estrogen will cause breast tissue growth. Here's what that very same study say's about estrogen.

Estrogen and androgen receptors are present in both male and female breasts. Estrogens strongly stimulate the mammary gland, while androgens have a weak inhibitory effect. At birth, male and female breasts are histologically identical, mainly formed by the major lactiferous ducts.8 During childhood, the breast tissue remains quiescent until puberty. At puberty, further differentiation occurs in both sexes. In males, transient proliferation of the ducts and surrounding mesenchymal tissue occurs, presumably due to greater physiological effects of estrogens on breast tissue secondary to a temporary imbalance in the androgen/estrogen ratio.9,10 As puberty advances, circulating levels of androgens rise, leading to involution and atrophy of the ducts.

So while I will admit it posting a study of gynecomastia in ADOLESCENT males probably isn't the best study to prove my case, it still says estrogen causes breast growth(which still proves my case) I'm done proving something science has proved a long time ago. Your obviously too stupid to figure out anything on your own. Why don't you ask any endocrinologist what hormone is primarily responsible for breast growth and maybe he will waste more time on you. I'm done. I win. You lose. [emoji3]